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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhy it's reasonable to suspect that James Holmes might have paranoid schizophrenia,
and why it's important that he have a complete psychiatric examination.
Some people have the misconception that people with paranoid schizophrenia are so disabled that they wouldn't be able to carry out Holmes's well-planned actions. Cognitive problems are common for other forms of schizophrenia, but less so for the paranoid type. One famous paranoid schizophrenic is John Nash, who received a Nobel Prize in economics for work he produced while he was a grad student at Princeton, suffering from both auditory and visual hallucinations.
In the case of James Holmes, he has no criminal history -- which would be very unusual for a murderer, but is typical of a schizophrenic murderer. He is the right age for the onset of schizophrenia. And his behavior would fit with the diagnosis. He was also under the care of a psychiatrist who has specialized in the care of schizophrenics.
The vast majority of schizophrenics don't turn to violence (except against themselves). But in individual cases the delusions ARE the cause of violence.
Here's some general info from the Mayo Clinic about paranoid schizophrenia:
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/paranoid-schizophrenia/DS00862/DSECTION=symptoms
With paranoid schizophrenia, you're less likely to be affected by mood problems or problems with thinking, concentration and attention.
Key symptoms
Delusions and hallucinations are the symptoms that make paranoid schizophrenia most distinct from other types of schizophrenia.
Delusions. In paranoid schizophrenia, a common delusion is that you're being singled out for harm. For instance, you may believe that the government is monitoring every move you make or that a co-worker is poisoning your lunch. You may also have delusions of grandeur the belief that you can fly, that you're famous or that you have a relationship with a famous person, for example. You hold on to these false beliefs despite evidence to the contrary. Delusions can result in aggression or violence if you believe you must act in self-defense against those who want to harm you.
Auditory hallucinations. An auditory hallucination is the perception of sound usually voices that no one else hears. The sounds may be a single voice or many voices. These voices may talk either to you or to each other. The voices are usually unpleasant. They may make ongoing criticisms of what you're thinking or doing, or make cruel comments about your real or imagined faults. Voices may also command you to do things that can be harmful to yourself or to others. When you have paranoid schizophrenia, these voices seem real. You may talk to or shout at the voices.
Warpy
(111,332 posts)which goes along with the megalomania of a manic episode. I have a cousin who sends letters to the CIA wrapped in tinfoil and is too afraid to go home when he's off his drugs.
Whatever is wrong with the guy, he's got a major screw loose somewhere. Rational people don't shoot up theaters full of a random collection of their age peers.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)And, yes, people in the manic phase of bipolar disease can have psychotic breaks during which they lose touch with reality. Sometimes it can be difficult at first to determine which kind of psychosis such a person is suffering from.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)could also cause someone to act on impulses that he may have otherwise resisted prior to the breakdown. Holmes may have had violent fantasies that he would not have acted upon otherwise. These may have been outlined in the package he sent to the psychiatrist.
Warpy
(111,332 posts)armchair psychoanalysis on so little information. The police and the psychiatrist have been very closed mouthed about this case. All we know about his demeanor in the courtroom is that he seemed to blink a lot.
His life is essentially over, no matter what is going on in his head.
AntiFascist
(12,792 posts)it's entirely possible for someone to be paranoid schizophrenic, have bipolar symptoms, suffer from periods of amnesia, and entertain violent fantasies, altogether...we really don't know.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Schizophrenia used to blink constantly when he was going through what seemed like an episode.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)are certain he acted cold-bloodedly out of pure evil (and not mental disease) are more likely than I am to be wrong. But none of the armchair opinion-holders, on either side of the divide, are in direct danger.
I think our society continues to take unnecessary risks, however, by making assault weapons so easily available and psychiatric treatment so expensive.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)...before we have any of the facts about his mental state, whether he was being treated, whether someone should have intervened and didn't, etc. I once knew a paranoid schizophrenic and while intelligent, engaging, and a good friend, sometimes her behavior was as you suggest, completely inexplicable and difficult to understand in MY everyday context, but her demons were real enough to her and made it impossible to judge her on my terms. Scapegoating the mentally ill is simply not productive.
What we need to understand is that that mental illness happens. We cannot pretend that it doesn't. If we want to make a society in which guns are easier to obtain than diagnosis and treatment for mental illness, then we have to accept the consequences of mentally ill people with questionable judgement and experiences most of us cannot even imagine, let alone understand, carrying firearms among us. The real solution is two pronged-- raise the bar for people trying to obtain guns and make it easy and stigma free to obtain diagnosis and treatment for mental illness.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)mental illness.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)nebenaube
(3,496 posts)by someone in the field of neurolinguistics. Just to see if he has any other trigger codes.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)It is time to get over our collective denial over mental health
Was talking to a friend this morning, relative is schizoid, and getting insurance is next to impossible, deductibles are incredibly high, and getting somebody committed over 72 hours takes actual threats.
As a society we are in total and complete denial. If any good comes from this and Loughner, should be a beginning awareness of this.
Some of us are aware, but as a society, we are pretty much willfully ignorant, partly the "crazy" man is scarier than just the criminal one.
JohnnyLib2
(11,212 posts)I suspect we'll hear stories from people at the college that suggest a slide downhill, mentally.
Also, I wonder if he had some sort of mandatory referral to the psychiatrist because of concerns?
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)that the information about his mental status can all come out.
HereSince1628
(36,063 posts)all sides want Holmes to get a complete psychiatric examination.
The primary things going against schizophrenia are 1) we don't have any evidence that dx was assigned and 2) few mass murderers have been determined to be psychotic. Neither of those 2 things would really be an argument that precludes Holmes from being dx'd psychotic, or from being in the minority of mass murderers who were psychotic.
With respect to seeing a psychiatrist...I'm not aware that a statement has been made about what diagnosis was the reason for Holmes seeing her. Maybe I missed it. If I did I'd appreciate being pointed to a link...
Psychiatrists are the members of an outpatient mental health clinic who get to prescribe, and various non MD therapists would refer patients with a variety of prescription needs to whatever psychiatrist(s) were working in the clinics.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)I was mainly responding to the many people who have expressed the view that a person with a mental illness like paranoid schizophrenia would be incapable of carrying out the details of this crime. If James Holmes was smart enough to plan this (which he clearly was, being at the top of his class at UCal/Riverside), then the disease itself wouldn't have prevented him from carrying out the plan.
Merlot
(9,696 posts)I don't know much about this, but felt that with the age and lack of criminal activity that it might be a mental illness. Especially with the pressure of grad school.
Earth_First
(14,910 posts)pnwmom
(108,990 posts)mzmolly
(51,003 posts)who was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia, in my family. This person is also a genius. I can't see carrying out a well organized attack, over several months. Holmes took great care in protecting himself as well.
When my family member is off meds, there is no functioning. No planning anything in great detail. Unless one considers yelling at the television, and asking others if they hear voices, functional?
I think the notion that Holmes is schizophrenic, is bunk. I think he is trying to feign that he is, however.
That said, of course he should be evaluated. Though, I think he'll be deemed a psychopath, not a schizophrenic.
JMHO.
pnwmom
(108,990 posts)is less likely to involve cognitive impairment, and there have been other cases of people with paranoid schizophrenia who were able to carry out complex, long term tasks. The mathematician John Nash, for example, received a Nobel Prize for work conducted in the early years of his disease, despite experiencing audio and visual hallucinations.
mzmolly
(51,003 posts)schizophrenic in the trenches of the disorder.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash,_Jr.
Sadly, the brilliant John Nash wasn't functional, while in a psychotic state.
Nash began to show signs of extreme paranoia and his wife later described his behavior as erratic, as he began speaking of characters like Charles Herman and William Parcher who were putting him in danger. Nash seemed to believe that all men who wore red ties were part of a communist conspiracy against him. Nash mailed letters to embassies in Washington, D.C., declaring that they were establishing a government.[10][11]
He was admitted to the McLean Hospital, AprilMay 1959, where he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. The clinical picture is dominated by relatively stable, often paranoid, fixed beliefs that are either false, over-imaginative or unrealistic, usually accompanied by experiences of seemingly real perception of something not actually present particularly auditory and perceptional disturbances, a lack of motivation for life, and mild clinical depression.[12] Upon his release, Nash resigned from MIT, withdrew his pension, and went to Europe, unsuccessfully seeking political asylum in France and East Germany. He tried to renounce his U.S. citizenship. After a problematic stay in Paris and Geneva, he was arrested by the French police and deported back to the United States at the request of the U.S. government.
In 1961, Nash was committed to the New Jersey State Hospital at Trenton. Over the next nine years, he spent periods in psychiatric hospitals, where, aside from receiving antipsychotic medications, he was administered insulin shock therapy.[12][13][14]
... Nash dates the start of what he terms "mental disturbances" to the early months of 1959 when his wife was pregnant. He has described a process of change "from scientific rationality of thinking into the delusional thinking characteristic of persons who are psychiatrically diagnosed as 'schizophrenic' or 'paranoid schizophrenic'"[2]
I may be wrong, but I think Holmes was far too organized and thoughtful, to fall under the schizophrenic umbrella. Again, JMHO.
chavron55
(1 post)Under a Delusional mind they can still be organized and appear thoughtful at times. Often they can self medicate on Dope.
The difference with Nash mostly, was that he wasn't isolated to the extent that James was.
Up at midnight playing the same music over and over again is very typical of those under a psychosis or the beginnings of one with sleep deprivation often being a trait. Setting up his apartment with booby traps could have been done as a defense. Paranoia thoughts perhaps of someone after him. Delusions of being the joker and living in his own nightmare.
S....l exploits speeds up as with those under a psychotic episode. Hence the hookers.
mzmolly
(51,003 posts)again that he was too organized. I may be wrong. I am sure time will tell. Re - sleep. James is said to have eaten and slept like a baby after his arrest. This - per reports from his jailers.
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