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brooklynite

(94,748 posts)
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:27 PM Mar 2018

To those saying they'll refuse to answer a Census Citizenship question "on principle"...

...you are playing right into the Republicans' hands.

If they choose to redistrict based on "citizens" and you choose not to report yourself as a citizen, you're giving up a share of your political representation.

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To those saying they'll refuse to answer a Census Citizenship question "on principle"... (Original Post) brooklynite Mar 2018 OP
Well said. nt el_bryanto Mar 2018 #1
Depends on the state... ExciteBike66 Mar 2018 #2
Plus many Red states receive socialist wealth redistribution from Blue states. It would hurt them. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #8
I think every one should answer yes. Phoenix61 Mar 2018 #3
How would they know? Phentex Mar 2018 #10
it needs to be fought and fought hard. Call your State AG and tell them you want them to join the hlthe2b Mar 2018 #4
Do we even have political representation now? ck4829 Mar 2018 #5
The census counts all people, not just citizens gratuitous Mar 2018 #6
But the data gathered is, in the aggregate, public. Ms. Toad Mar 2018 #13
Everyone should just say yes. Are they going to check everyone to prove you're not? blueinredohio Mar 2018 #7
Under Title 13 of the U.S. Code, you can be fined up to $100 for refusing to complete a census form still_one Mar 2018 #9
Constitution says "people", not "citizens" muriel_volestrangler Mar 2018 #11
I live in Tarrant County Texas Major Nikon Mar 2018 #12
that's their game... lame54 Mar 2018 #14

ExciteBike66

(2,375 posts)
2. Depends on the state...
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:30 PM
Mar 2018

if one lives in a red state, having fewer representatives might be a good thing, right?

Phoenix61

(17,019 posts)
3. I think every one should answer yes.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:31 PM
Mar 2018

Why the heck not. They want to be twits. We can all be twits together.

Phentex

(16,334 posts)
10. How would they know?
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 01:18 PM
Mar 2018

And if they did track someone down, they could always say it was an oversight. I hated answering the census. I wish it asked questions like Do you want more money for public schools?

hlthe2b

(102,387 posts)
4. it needs to be fought and fought hard. Call your State AG and tell them you want them to join the
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:31 PM
Mar 2018

lawsuit. Twelve states to date have and given the amount of Latinos settled in all the major cities--including those in the South, even red states may be adversely impacted.

ck4829

(35,093 posts)
5. Do we even have political representation now?
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:38 PM
Mar 2018

It sure doesn't seem like it. Your esteemed representatives are getting into fights on Twitter with teenagers and failing to condemn far right homicides.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
6. The census counts all people, not just citizens
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:42 PM
Mar 2018

So refusing to answer the citizenship question is immaterial to a person's status as a resident of their State.

Ms. Toad

(34,103 posts)
13. But the data gathered is, in the aggregate, public.
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 10:14 PM
Mar 2018

So if Republicans decide to allocate block grants, HEAP money, etc. to each state based on citizenship, as reflected in the census, this strategy will increase grants to heavily Republican states and decrease it to heavily Democratic ones.

While the Supreme Court has ruled that legislative districts can be drawn based on population, not voters, based on the rights and interests of children, felons, and others who are not eligible to vote. But it did not rule out the possibility of other (voter-based, for example) algorithms for redistricting. I would not put it past the current administration to try, and refusing to answer the citizenship question would result in more seats for heavily Republican areas.

Not a good idea to give them the opportunity.

still_one

(92,424 posts)
9. Under Title 13 of the U.S. Code, you can be fined up to $100 for refusing to complete a census form
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 12:56 PM
Mar 2018

and $500 for answering questions falsely

As to the citizenship question 12 states are suing the government on that, so what the courts decide is uncertain.

What would happen if people leave that question blank, but fill in the rest of the form?


muriel_volestrangler

(101,382 posts)
11. Constitution says "people", not "citizens"
Wed Mar 28, 2018, 03:43 PM
Mar 2018

"Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed." https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

Redistricting based on numbers of citizens would be unconstitutional. However, not filling in the entire census, and thus not getting counted at all, would help them.

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