I think the flop of an Interview with Stormy Dainels is a great lesson

[brettdale]

If someone had something big on Trump, it would be released and they wouldnt wait
for a 60 minutes interview with Cooper.

People should way way lower their expectation.

Mueller is the big hope and will end up taking Trump down, not some wanna be celeb.

[kennetha]

1. You are falling into the Trump Disgust Discount Trap.

Imagine this was ANY other president, how would you feel about these revelations? No biggie?

[dhol82]

3. Yeah, this would have been major for anybody else

How did trump become so Teflon?

[dhol82]

9. Going to answer my question

Russian propaganda.
Fox or anywhere else.
It’s pernicious.

[oberliner]

8. What was your reaction in the 1990s?

[dhol82]

11. In the 90s this would have been death.

Anybody remember impeachment for a freaking BJ?

[oberliner]

36. What about 1992?

[dhol82]

40. Ok, just tell me your point.

[oberliner]

42. I defended Clinton when his affairs came to light

And argued that they were not relevant to his ability to be an effective president.

[dhol82]

52. Ok, so did I.

Now what?

[oberliner]

54. So I don't really give a crap about Trump's affairs either

At least a thousand other reasons to go after him.

[LanternWaste]

88. Or threats. Or payoffs

"So I don't really give a crap about Trump's affairs either..."


Or threats. Or payoffs. We get it. We get it... false equivalencies must be made to better give the illusion of elevation above all else.

[dhol82]

56. So, you would prefer to fight trump for his inadequacy as president

as opposed to any sexual peccadillo?
If so, then why not just say so?

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

57. There is so much more to this than just a BJ, or even lying about a BJ.

Looking back there were reasons the left should have found Clinton's behavior more objectionable than we did, but this thing with Trump and his affairs, cover-ups, pay-offs, etc., is much worse.

[oberliner]

59. Do you remember when the Clintons appeared on 60 Minutes in 1992?

I am thinking more of the stuff related to GF than ML.

[dhol82]

63. Ok, you want to emasculate Bill Clinton

Go get a knife and have a good time getting past secret service.
In the mean time get a grip and get jiggy about trump et al.
It’s been 25 years since the Clinton episode. He has not been president since 2000. Hillary was not elected this time around. Can you give it a rest?
Or, is this an ongoing story to the end of time?
But bye.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

66. Right, but again,

this Trump thing is more and worse, it appears.

[Cha]

83. lol

[mythology]

39. The person's question was how did you feel about Clinton being impeached

over lying about a blowjob? Obviously many Republicans feel rather differently on the subject now than they did back then. Likewise so do a lot of Democrats, just in the opposite direction. The Daniels thing isn't what should bring Trump down, it's the other stuff. Men behaving badly sadly isn't new.

[NYC Liberal]

26. A president got impeached. It was kind of a big deal.

Ultimately, it’s about the hypocrisy of the self-righteous, holier-than-thou religious conservative Republicans who jump on any hint of impropriety when it comes to Democrats, but excuse anything when it comes to Republicans.

The same people who insist two men marrying is “destroying marriage” are tripping over themselves to justify supporting a serial cheater and abuser.

[oberliner]

35. But his approval rating stayed at an all time high

I believe it was over 70 percent the during the impeachment.

[dhol82]

41. And trump stays at 40%

What is your point?

[oberliner]

43. There are a multitude of reasons why Trump is a historically awful president

His having sex with this woman is not one of them.

[stonecutter357]

61. yes it is ...

,

[NYC Liberal]

81. Clinton's approval was already high.

It stayed around 60% for most of 1996-1997 before the investigation and impeachment. People liked him and the job he was doing.



http://news.gallup.com/poll/116584/presidential-approval-ratings-bill-clinton.aspx?g_source=mn2-books

Trump's approval, meanwhile, is in the 30s.

[MichMan]

48. I recall that the reaction depended on what side was attacking/defending.

If you were against Bill Clinton, you wanted him impeached for it

If you were a supporter, you claimed his sex life was no one else's business, it was consensual, and had nothing to do with his performing his job.

Pretty much same as now, but opposite. We all know which argument ended up prevailing back then.

[oberliner]

58. Right - so we should stay consistent

I guess that would be my main point.

[dawg day]

64. Consistency?

How about this?

Clinton was a pretty good president. He was being impeached pretty much BECAUSE he was doing well and the GOP was worried that they'd never be in control again. His affair actually was extraneous to his job, had no effect except the effect the GOP forced.

Trump is a historically bad president. He has few dozen scandals, all connected to his need to be in power. Included in this is his utter amorality and also his blackmailability. His sexual affairs are part of that.

Also, he's employing his daughter as an "aide", and his sick attitude towards her becomes yet another way his behavior towards women is objectionable.

AND... Stormy's encounter with him was consensual, and he's lying about it. There are at least 18 other women whose encounters with him were NOT consensual, and he's lying about them and saying they are the liars. The more his behavior against women is highlighted, the better.

Also, I can't help but love the idea that he's getting blasted by Melania's mad!

[LanternWaste]

89. Like consistently making false equivalencies.

Like consistently making false equivalencies... which would be consistent, indeed.

[nini]

22. Who didn't already know all this stuff about him?

Last edited Sun Mar 25, 2018, 08:52 PM - Edit history (1)

It's not like he hid who he was.

[stevenleser]

71. Yep, it would be a near Presidency ending event all on its own for any other President.

For John Edwards, an illegal in-kind contribution almost resulted in serious prison time.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. It isn't even over yet; how do you know it's a flop?

Or had you already made up your mind?

[Ms. Toad]

4. The entire transcript is posted.

Has been since at least 7:10.

[brettdale]

5. TRANSCRIPT HAS BEEN RELEASED

NO EVIDENCE PRESENTED. JUST HER MAKING ALLEGATIONS.

Im asking myself what the fuck, was that tweet of the pic of the disc about.

[lunasun]

6. Here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10412905

[Kingofalldems]

7. Maybe you can combine all your OPs on this subject into one post.

It would be interesting.

[blitzen]

10. Say Hi to Vlad

[brettdale]

27. So Trump is still president then???

I wouldve thought with the video/audio/photographic evidence that was produce in the interview,
impeachment hearings wouldve started straight away.

Now of course Cooper is bound to get a Pulitzer, for the way he presented all the actual evidence.

I mean he just didnt interview someone who made allegations WITH NO ACTUAL PROOF, shown in
the interview, I mean that wouldve been fuckin stupid, even for a first yeat Journalism student
in middle school.

MUELLER is going to be the one that takes Trump down, not someone who wants to be a reality star.

[hlthe2b]

33. Boy do you seem desperate to kill this story...

hmmm. Curious.

[madaboutharry]

12. I don't see this as a flop.

I think she is successfully demonstrating she is an intelligent person telling a true story. It isn't about salacious behavior. It's about money, threats, and a cover-up.

[flibbitygiblets]

16. +1 There's also the matter of a campaign finance violation

That's the provable crime. The salacious story just keeps people's interest.

[GusBob]

13. After reading the transcript, flop is too kind

If a sex scandal can't bring down a Clnton, it ain't gonna touch Trump

The parking garage story just breaks my heart

She claims she is being honest but hides behind her lawyer about any video proof

Nothing burger

[Caliman73]

94. A sex scandal wasn't what got him impeached. It was lying to congress.

Remember that the Lewinski affair became part of the Ken Starr investigation when Whitewater was found to be a dud. Clinton could have avoided all problems if he would have just said, I had an affair with Lewinski, but that is a private matter and had no affect on my ability to do my job. The "depends on the definition of 'is' " crap is what got him into problems.

Similarly with Trump, it isn't the affairs that are the problem. It is the abuse of power. The payoffs, the threats, the intimidation. This is a separate scandal from the big one that Mueller is looking at. That there are so many scandals is also the problem that is very different than Clinton or other presidents except maybe Grant and Coolidge.

Also, if they have proof, 60 minutes isn't where they are going to release it. If they had done it there, then that lawyer should be disbarred and Daniels would be toast.

It is only a flop for people who are desperate for something to happen right this second, which I guess, since Americans are now so into instant gratification, could be an arguable point.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

14. Somebody working for Trump threatened her in front of her child.

That's pretty serious.

[jberryhill]

69. .

Nev. Rev. Stat. § 11.190(4)(c) (2016)

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

77. The statute of limitations, or whether anyone can be prosecuted,

isn't the point. Stormy was never going to bring Trump down, nor should anyone have ever expected her to do so. But if someone working for or acting on his behalf threatened her with physical harm if she ever talked about the incident, what kind of a dipshit do we have as president? WE all know he's a dipshit, but maybe getting this whole hot mess on broadcast TV might at least make some of his less benighted supporters love him a bit less.

[jberryhill]

78. We have seen people beating others up at his behest

Perhaps many people missed that aspect of his campaign, but we saw this thuggery first hand during the campaign, with people actually getting beat up.

Did everybody forget that?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

79. For some, that was a feature rather than a bug.

But the sheer sleaziness (getting spanked on the seat of his tighty whities with a magazine with his picture on the cover, seriously?) of L'Affaire Daniels might make a few inroads...

[jberryhill]

84. A few inroads with whom?

One of the drivers of Amazon’s success has been in becoming the largest retailer, by far, of sex toys. Just as Sears & Roebuck revolutionized home life on the frontier, Amazon has enabled Americans to purchase a panoply or playthings privately which are in many areas not readily available in establishments one would feel comfortable visiting.

Bubba and his wife who are enjoying their mulitiheaded motorized dildo while suspended from the ceiling like a low-rent Cirque du Soleil, are not likely scandalized by someone who got play spanked once.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

91. OK, you got me there.

"Bubba and his wife ... enjoying their mulitiheaded motorized dildo while suspended from the ceiling like a low-rent Cirque du Soleil..." Your life must be much more interesting than mine. I didn't know such things existed, let alone on Amazon.

[jberryhill]

93. I'm serious

First off, as far as Evangelicals are concerned Trump is like King Solomon or King David - a great leader with a weakness of the flesh. That's part of their standard schtick, since they are used to their leaders getting caught with their pants down.

Secondly, sex toys are part of why Amazon is the largest retail operation in the US. The sex toy market is worth billions of dollars, and people can have them delivered in non-descript Amazon boxes from a retailer they trust.

[Kingofalldems]

15. ....

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210413061

[leftstreet]

17. Has 60 Minutes interviewed women accusing Trump of assault?

This whole thing seems weird

This consensual relationship, no matter how salacious the details, will only make Trump's core 'conservative' white male supporters admire him even more.

Seems like a waste

[hlthe2b]

21. Very determined, anyway

[NCTraveler]

20. Its always great news for a President when a porn Star is talking about an affair. Nt

[LisaL]

23. Even greater news for his wife.

[NCTraveler]

25. This let down of an interview has to make Trump and Melania Happy.

[thbobby]

24. The important news of the year was yesterday

I am just not interested unless hard proof (sorry, poor choice of words for trump. maybe flaccid proof) of threats or indictments results.

[ismnotwasm]

28. I didnt have expectations. Im not watching it

That being said, the larger point of a porn star being interviewed at all is not lost on me.

Her lawyers already downplayed this because of the build up and anticipation in the media. It’s not a “flop” it’s about what should have expected in the first place.

[JI7]

31. And it's pinky" nothing" because everything is normalized

for him.

If it was anyone what it would not be nothing .

[blitzen]

29. Wow even the replies to this thread are from Vlad's trolls

[Squinch]

34. I think I'm pretty sensitive to trolls and I'm not seeing posts I think are from trolls.

[blitzen]

46. maybe so...it's hard to tell these days n/t

[BritVic]

67. Agreed. Been watching this forum from the UK for a while...

...and had to sign up tonight. I can't believe how many people here with post counts in the thousands are just dismissing this interview as a "nothingburger" There's been a change in tactics on the Twitterverse in the past couple of weeks, trolls are now churning out tweets with a "nothing will ever change" message to dishearten folks. Looks like there are more than a few like that on here tonight !

[GusBob]

82. I posted that

The interview was a nothing burger

Are you calling me a troll?

[marble falls]

86. Pretty sad when correctly calling calling out a nothing burger gets one called out as a troll.

[GusBob]

87. It doesn't matter if I'm correct or not

I am allowed to freely speak my mind and have an opinion within the rules of DU

Attack the post and not the poster

What's going on around here now is if someone disagrees with your opinion, they must be Russian

It is such a weak, vapid and insipid argument

Lazy too

[sharedvalues]

30. You're missing the PR element. Drip drip drip!!!

I'm in PR / comms.

If you're trying to get your story in the news, you do NOT release it all at once.
In contrast, if you're someone with damaging news yet to be released, you release it yourself, all at once in order to limit the number of news cycles it monopolizes.

The Russian propagandists know this too. That's why they released the DNC emails in batches.

Avenatti knows what he's doing with PR. This interview is NOT the whole deal. There will be more.

Stormy and her lawyer are PR pros. I love it. So should we all.

[PunksMom]

55. I totally agree with you

[sharedvalues]

60. :) I just posted a new original post expanding on this

[blue cat]

32. I was totally thrilled when she said that

She wasn't attracted to him. It was worth it just to know that he probably heard that too.

[Kingofalldems]

37. Trump likes to be spanked by strangers.

[Red Mountain]

47. Maybe not likes.....

but consents. That's a little different and a little weirder.

I thought Stormy and her lawyer did a great job of humanizing her and her story. She was very believable.

She has a lawsuit to win. Good luck to her.

[Blaukraut]

38. It's nothing unexpected to us, but 60 Minutes reaches a lot of viewers who see this as news

Because they're not glued to MSNBC and DU. and various other online sources like we are.

[Squinch]

49. I hadn't thought of that. You're absolutely right.

[Tatiana]

44. I wonder if 60 minutes is setting up future interviews with other Trump "partners."

To show a pattern of cheating and/or threatening women.

[rzemanfl]

45. Wait, a woman spoke of spanking the so-called President of the United States with a magazine

on network TV and the interview was a FLOP? Maybe compared to the Obama spanking story....oh, never mind.

Cooper failed to ask what kind of underwear he had on, or maybe they are saving that for court.

[blogslut]

50. I think it was pretty damned powerful.

The venue. The viewership. The clear-eyed confidence of the interview subject. The setting-in-stone of behavior that man should be ashamed of.

Yes, us clever kids knew all the goss she said beforehand but well, I think you're wrong that it was a "flop".

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

51. The interview was "Geraldo Rivera Approved"

[Captain Stern]

53. It was pretty much a flop.

But it's because Trump has lowered the bar so much that you need a backhoe to find it.

If this interview was about Obama, Bush, or Clinton during their Presidencies it would have been a big fucking deal.

[stonecutter357]

62. what flop of an Interview ?

[The empressof all]

65. It's not about the sex...

It's about the payoff.... One of many articles that explain it more clearly than I can,


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment/tv/tv-guy/os-et-stormy-daniels-enormous-legal-mess-for-trump-20180325-story.html

[avebury]

68. My initial reaction to the interview was - MEH - But

the more I let it percolate as I think about it I don't think that it was that bad.

We will have to wait to see if Mueller investigates the campaign finance aspect of the story.

Both Stormy and McDougal confirm what we all know, Trump has a sick fetish where Ivanka is concerned.

The bonus was she humiliated Trump by stating that that she was not at all attracted to him and really had no desire to have sex with him. She acknowledged the position she had put herself in and didn't anyway and refused to play the victim.

She appears to have his number pretty well.

With Stormy and McDougal there has to be so many others out there.

To me, with the two women coming forward, I really want to see investigations of the cases of women who have talked about being the victims of sexual assault/harrassment. I think his behavior with these women make it highly probable that he has victimized other women.

[kennetha]

72. What we need to do is stop pretending

Stop pretending that Trump is in any way, shape or form Normal.

Stop discounting his disgusting behavior.

Stop pretending his "base" is enough to lend him legitimacy, as if only they count.

Stop pretending he is in anyway worthy of the office of the Presidency.

He is a incompetent, immoral, criminal, perverse, and ill. the sooner we rid the body politic of the stench of him, the better off we will all be.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

70. Nobody with an I Q over room temperature thought this interview would bring down Trump.

It's just to rattle his cage and provoke him.

[LisaL]

73. Seems some hyped it in their minds and then they are disappointed.

I have no clue WTF did they expect to begin with.

[brettdale]

74. well maybe just fuckin maybe

Her lawyer shouldnt tweeted out a pic of a disc before the interview, it lead
the viewer to beleive they had evidence, not just an interview.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

76. Would David Dennison have been happier if Stormy Daniels never had been born ?

There's your answer. One more brick in the wall.

[bigtree]

75. so surprised to hear this from you

...what a performance.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

80. I'm not even convinced Mueller will bring David Dennison down though he will grease the skids.

It will be the voters.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

85. The interview certainly got Michael Cohen's attorney's attention.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210414316

[NCTraveler]

90. So much wrong with this. So much. nt.

[blake2012]

92. Consider the source