What Do We Want?

[Civic Justice]

Many people want Change... but what do people really want and how do they identify what they want.

President Obama offer change, and before he could get his Presidency started the economy collapsed in on itself. Yet, between the focus to not just fix the economy, it was to put in safeguard to avert it happening against. It was "massive Work". (Too many people live with a premise of "selective amnesia" ) as if they did not remember the massive job losses, banks not lending, auto industry on the brink of disaster, and foreclosure making massive homeless and job losses by the 10's of thousands, people's pensions wiped out, people 401k hit like a pulverizing machine too assault upon them. Yet, the more he moved to fix these things in the economy, while at the same time "pushing for better public systems and societal benefits', the minute people saw signs of recovery, the "faded away, and many left his hanging on his own", when they allowed the Midterms to come and devastate his goals with the allowance of a "do nothing republican congress". Who attacked him from every angle.
Still he pushed legislation, We got the Health Care Bill passed, and it would have been even better if people had not allowed the elements to be denied during passage, then he withstood 6 yrs of Republican Attacts, Law suits and EVERY thing Republican could do to try and defeat it, including promising Insurance and Medical Organizations, many things if they help make it more difficult for the program to spread and cover more people.

He pushed for equal pay for women, and forced through the higher minimum wage for any entity that gained Federal Contracts.
On the Global Stage he pushed hard for "DIPLOMACY TO LEAD" and people called him weak, because he cared more about the integrity and dignity of how we relate with other nations, rather than "Bully Talk and Sledge Hammer Tactics". He pushed for clean energy and big energy attacked by every means they could... Still... we sat back, did not vote, and sadly too many other Democrats sat idle and would not push to support each other, with the determination that republican do to support each other. And Republican got the Control over Congress. As a result, We have at the very least 40 yrs, of a Right Wing Minded Supreme Court Justice, when Republican would not address Obama's Nominee. We sat idle, as if to be unaware that Supreme Court Justices make decisions that impact generations to come, and we allowed the Court to get more to the Right.

Obama was nothing like Trump, Obama did not say, "he alone can do everything", He said, TOGETHER, We can make change, and people became passive, with a delusions that "since the First Black Man was president, everyone could just relax back and ride the tide. The people attacked him, saying he did not do anything for black people. Yet the same people black and white saying that, "knew if he had made single focused promotion of black concerns", white society would have attacked every aspect of it, not just Right Republican, But Right Democrats as well. How do we know this to be true, all we have to do is look at the long history of Attacks upon "Affirmative Actions"... When it was well known that it was established to deal with the covert means that Discrimination was being enacted to skirt the Civil Rights of Equality.

I made a post about the 13th Amendment, and pointed out the language that never should have been within it, and pointed to the damages it has caused, and out of over 400 people reading it, it received 11 rec's.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1105732

Yet, its something within that Amendment that impacts black and white lives and our general society, as well as leaves the means for Slavery to still exist. It's an Atrocity, that such language can exist in our American Democracy within our United State Constitution in This Day and Age. Not only did that number of people visit the post, none has one single comment concerning the matter - yet, someone within their expanse of their family lineage has been impacted and subjected to the vile of that language being embedded into an Amendment, that was to proclaim Freedom from Slavery and Involuntary Servitude existing within these United States, where in this nation, Democracy has its strongest foundation within the "equality of its Citizens".

Thus so, the Title of this Post is quite befitting: WHAT DO WE WANT? ( As Democrats)
Are there some that want the same society in white American that existed in the 1950's and 1960's ? Only you know within yourself what is really true. How much change do you want, and how much true equality do you want within that change?

I'm not concerned with who likes me for what I write, I'm concerned about "Truths" that are necessary to be faced. This lackadaisical quandary we've found ourselves, with the assumption that everything will just automatically be alright, is one of the greatest detriment to the Party, as well as society. That is evidenced in the Low Voter Turn Out, in a nation where people have fought for the right to vote, and poor whites had to fight a different fight to vote for whom they desired. Many have no thoughts that in decades past, poor whites were under duress to vote for whom the Job owner wanted them to vote for, or they risk loosing their job if they were discovered to vote differently.

It's wake up time.. Truly Waking Up, not just walking around because our eyelids are open, but Openness of Mind to Think beyond the challenges of short attention spans. WHAT DO WE WANT?

WE have many people who put their hat and hand into the Democratic Political System for Offices, the question is, why do they have to fight so hard to get Democrats to come out and vote? Why do we allow them to get caught up in "gunslinger politics" against Republican Rivals who love controversy, because they have no policies that truly respect the people as priority number one.. We need not want or need to see our Democratic Political Candidates having their narrative CONTROLLED as if they need to respond to Republican Contention Making Madness. We need our Democratic Political Candidates to talk about the "issue" and "what do we want" and how they can push to make it happen. We need our Democratic People to know what are the Details of how our Candidate propose to achieve the things they say, and what is necessary from us to help them achieve what we agree to of what they propose. Marching is great and does its duty, but what matters is "what motivates people to go to spend 15 minutes or even a couple to a few hours out of a year, to go and cast a vote".

When our young people turn 18 not only within Party Outreach but within families and social circles voting should be a premier topic, as well as discussing the issues that are of concerns in the time of now and the coming future.

This is how we take back America from the 100's of years of our system having been hijacked by the wealthy and the industrialist who turned the campaigning program, into nothing but a "money burning game"... which enriches the wealthy while it feeds drama and fiction as entertainment to the people.

We see it in Commercial News, they no longer can report the news, they've turned it into "Shows", with a rotating table of talking heads, all leading to a cycle of "Commercial Advertisement". They spin Drama on Three Day cycles, into madness making idiocy, until people no longer want to turn it on for Information, they turn away from it, because its people posturing for a pay check and to keep their network in pursuit of an Annual Award. One can turn on a channel, and they have 4 different shows, "all spinning the exact same "spin cycle as the next" and never delivering the real information, or details so people can make informed choices.

The question to all of us, myself included.... WHAT DO WE WANT?

ANYONE take a chance... List some of the things you "truly want" for America's Future and the Future of our Society and the Future of our Governance System ?

WHAT DO WE WANT?

[kacekwl]

1. I want healthcare for all and

fair and honest elections. Not too much to ask IMO.

[Civic Justice]

2. Yes, We should have had it "Decades Ago"

"In 1964, after traveling to Norway to receive the Nobel Peace Prize, King said:
"In both Norway and Sweden, whose economies are literally dwarfed by the size of our affluence and the extent of our technology, they have no unemployment and no slums. There, men, women and children have long enjoyed free medical care and quality education. This contrast to the limited, halting steps taken by our rich nation deeply troubled me."

The Rev. Martin Luther King Jr.


https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/12/us/mlk-relevance-today/index.html

[Demsrule86]

3. Bush collapsed the economy...and had we had Obama's back in 10, we would have had a public option

by now...six years of a Dem president...and we got very little...not Pres. Obama's fault.

[Civic Justice]

6. You are correct

as listed:
"before he could get his Presidency started the economy collapsed in on itself. Yet, between the focus to not just fix the economy, it was to put in safeguard to avert it happening against. It was "massive Work". (Too many people live with a premise of "selective amnesia" ) as if they did not remember the massive job losses, banks not lending, auto industry on the brink of disaster, and foreclosure making massive homeless and job losses by the 10's of thousands, people's pensions wiped out, people 401k hit like a pulverizing machine too assault upon them. Yet, the more he moved to fix these things in the economy, while at the same time "pushing for better public systems and societal benefits"

Republican ATTACKED with their "TEA PARTY MADNESS" talking about 'they want their country back", as in saying, they wanted a return to white dominance and white 1st entitlement as a privilege to anything and everything.
We sadly had to sit back and watch other Democrats not push forth and promote his achievement and rally for the policies he set forth to achieve, when it came time for Mid Terms... many had become "self protection shy" because they did not want to stand up against the Republican who kept pushing contention to control the narrative, and by their shyness, they submit to the republican controlling the public narrative until it silenced too many democrats, they submitted by default unto the assault attacks of Republican. Rather than Pushing harder and Standing Taller for Democratic Policies.

We can't continue to allow that kind of " Republican Whippings" to be enacted upon the Democratic Party !!!! As Democrats we should know by now... Republican have NO SHAME and No Restraint" to what they will do to win!!!
This is knowledge that is as good as us as being "Forewarned and Forearmed" in mindset not to submit to their shameless conduct.

We see the results of it in the Republican Controlled Congress and their Congressmen.... !!! That should startle us in ways that we never become 'submissive to them dictating the narratives, not in public media and certainly not in suppressing and repressing the Democrat ices voices into submissions via becoming silenced.

We need Democrats to have voice to madness with the passions demonstrated by Elizabeth Warren, she comes armed with information, and knowledge and she does not cave into to Republican Drama Attacks.

We should be thankful for Obama's Appointment of Her.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/18/us/politics/18warren.html

[Demsrule86]

7. We need to make sure to vote in all midterms. If Democrats had showed up in 14 Gorsuch

would not be on the bench.

[Civic Justice]

12. Thank you, That is a Fact!!!!

We should truly understand the damage we are today suffering because people did not persist, after a landslide turn out for Obama, and by Midterms, people went right back into the mode of "passivity" with that same delusional thinking that, it will all take care of itself.
Even while Obama was taking hell from Republican for taking a stand to give people means to "eat" and "means" to keep a roof over their head... still people took it for granted... and ultimately allowed Republican to convince society that it was a bad thing to help struggling people.

Now, we have Republican who've given over a TRILLION DOLLARS in Tax Cuts to the wealthy.... and strapped the future childern with the burden of dealing with that.

If people look back at history, WHEN, American had "high corporate taxes'... Business had to REINVEST in America if they wanted Tax Relief and means to have deductions that gave them tax relief... The nation grew and society benefited.

When Corporate Taxes is low, they do everything to avoid investing in American, they buy back stock so the value of what Executives Own will make them richer, and then they take the "bury the money offshore" and seek out ways to import more from business they invest in which exist offshore.

Here we are a nation with a crumbling Infrastructure, and Antiquated Power Grid, and Cities with Water and Sewer System that are more than 50-60 yrs old, and We have the audacity to Give the Wealthy a Tax Cut. Simply because the Wealthy RESENT any penny of their money going to anything that helps the people and this nation. (this is straight out of the history of racism, where the resentment of any penny being used for anything that benefit minorities even when it has even greater benefit to white working people as well).

It's why Norway, could have good public health care and good education, because they did not and do no have the hangup of a history with the 'VILE OF RACISM" that America was nursed and groomed on.

As to the Supreme Court Seat...

the public is less aware than they think they are. No decisions is made on that Court without looking at 'ECONOMIC IMPACT" as Priority, then they look at the Law.... IF Economic Impact can contort the Constitutionality of something, then Those who Hold the Wealth, get the Decision's to go their way, that's the DANGERS of a Supreme Court Filled with Right Wing Mined Republican's, because in all things, their Ideals is Industry and Business BEFORE people and nation.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

5. I want big money and lobbying out of politics.

Small per voter contributions only. No PACs, no TV ads and no large limits. No exceptions. Put the bastards back on the street for their campaigns.

That would eliminate the wealthy's ability to buy our elections - and hence our government. Also eliminates undue influence by small special interest groups.

[Demsrule86]

8. That is not possible until United is gone...otherwise the Democrats would be handicapped...you

already see the fallout from big Democratic donors being chased from the party after 08. What you want is not possible if we want to win. Can we deal in reality. What will help us win a majority and consider that our opportunities lie in states Trump won.

[Civic Justice]

9. Let's Go Further !!

"FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FINANCING.... and each person who choose to pursue the financing, must demonstrate their past contribution to public service and the service of this nations and supports the system of "Regulatory Governance" that is foundational to our Governing and our Economic Monetary system of Currency. "without Regulatory Governance policies, our currency will loose great value.
Our Currency is not backed by "Gold" or any Precious Metal or Jewels... It is backed by the "INTEGRITY OF OUR SYSTEM OF REGULATORY GOVERNANCE, and that is supported by our systems of Laws.

Federal can contribute some funds to states, but State must come up contributory funds, that must match or exceed Federal Funds to Support State and Localized Elections.

When people have limited funds, to spend on enriching the media and other wealthy people, and having expansive dinner parties to pander to the wealthy.... THEN... Political Candidates have no choice but to TALK TO ALL the people and TALK about the Actual Issues and Demonstrate How They Expect To Achieve Them

All this "Polling Gaming"... is too targeted... many people never get polled, its the "young urban professional segments, and some of the more middle class who is polled"... Only in Rural Areas will the polling reach out, but it is generally centered in more rural or rural mixed race community... Because.. the "assumption is" poor minorities and poor Hispanic and Poor Asian and Poor Others, either have no voice, are they are assumed to 'be for a particular party"... When fact is.. "what they think matters" and when the outreach comes to them.. They feel more valued for their voice and vote, and they get out and vote.

Too much of the organizations that promote the Polling, also are "directing money to be spent in areas where there are wealthy "money gatherer's waiting to collect that money" be it media or other business that build their models based on 'campaign profits".... It's like a "tourist holiday location" waiting on the high season so everyone profits.

We saw the disastrous mess that Polling played in 2016 - that fiction kept too many people away from polls, thinking their vote was not needed or that it did not matter.


"FEDERAL CAMPAIGN FINANCING...

I personally don't care if it cost me an extra 2-5-10 a year to support it... Its far better than every candidate begging for money and selling out the voice of the people, and now flooding people with emails, all seeking more and more money.

We should not be "Selling Elections Seat and Political Offices".. it should be the VOICE OF THE PEOPLE AND THEIR VOTE, THAT MATTERS MOST.

Today, any wealthy person can buy up office as we keep hearing "who outspent the other"... WHAT THE HECK DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH "PEOPLE PAYING ATTENTION TO DETAILS' AND TAKING THE RESPONSIBILITY TO "GO VOTE".

IT'S A CIVIC RESPONSIBILITY, THAT WE AS PEOPLE MUST RESPECT AS BEING SUCH, AND EMBRACE IT AS OUR CIVIC DUTY TO DO SO. Because we will always be subjected to what ever is the outcome and what that outcome brings.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

10. Thanks. Agree 100%.

Enough of the big Democratic money chasing big Republican money. Return to simple and keep it simple. Limit it to small personal contributions only so that each voice is close to equal. There's been documented cases where a multimillionaire bought and paid for a congressional election - one person! That must stop.

Another perspective: Wealthy people ultimately get their spending money from us, through our purchases of goods and services. Apparently, they feel they have the moral right to use that money against us if they choose. In my book, they have no more right to influence elections than I do, or any other voter.

This would require a sea-change in our election laws and I never expect to see it ('cause they have all the money), but I sure can dream (at the age of 70, we're allowed to do that, LOL).

[Civic Justice]

11. WE CAN MAKE CHANGE

We can accept the fact that Change MUST Come... and be heart driven by that premise. Then we as a society change.

Imagine the 100's of years of slavery and people thought it would never change, then another 100 yrs of segregation, and people thought it would never change. BUT, PERSEVERANCE Changed It !!!!

When American People are GIVEN the information to help them Understand better the value and power of People and how that value and power can regain respect for people. Then We Make Things Change.

As you said, "the wealthy get their money from us, and think they can use it against us, to separate themselves further from us.

Then... when we know that. We are armed with information to prevent them from such abuse of us and our governance system and society."

I came to this website to "talk about stuff", and to talk about "how we can make society and American Better.... thus so, I appreciate commentary response that reflect and expands, as the contributor in this posting has engaged.

When people actually use the "God Given Gifts of Communication and the Methods we have to Communicate" then people can come together, learn better, learn each other and work to promote change that respects the people, As Equal Citizens in This American Nation, as well as have respect for the people of other nations. When that is the force, the DIPLOMACY on International Matters have a far better chance to build a more peaceful work and one that is not bent on "Imperialistic Covert Agenda's, then we can make better Trade Agreements.

That's why the Title of the Post is _ "What Do We Want"....

It's sad people won't give it Rec's to keep it from being buried in the mass volume of postings. Because as a society, we need to communicate more and think more.... and we can learn how much more we can do. I don't want popularity, I want interactive dialog as well as they young people to be inspired and even prompted if necessary to think and talk...