Trump and his family are going to be completely ruined. I have no doubt.

[shockey80]

Trump is not going to take over America. He is going to lose and lose badly. What he has done and is doing is taking advantage of our great democracy. We expect presidents to act within the norms. Trump has taken advantage of all norms, all morals. He will pay a big fucking price.

He has so many powerful enemies, soon he will run out of luck. It will happen all of the sudden.

America cannot be killed off so easily.

[dlk]

1. Nothing Would be More Satisfying than Seeing Trump & Jarvanka Doing the Perp Walk in Cuffs!

[mythology]

5. You forgot Donald Junior and Eric.

[dalton99a]

2. His fall will be as spectacular as his rise.

[PJMcK]

39. What rise?

His success is phony. He’s no more a billionaire than you or I.

[Enoki33]

54. Correct. dOtard is the opposite of everything he says.

[bettyellen]

57. Perceptions! I was shocked to find out a smart friend bought his casinos were successful when he

Ruined AC so many years ago! But hey, he’s been living in Florida for the last 20 years. He had no idea the golf courses are losing money either. Perceptions are all to real for a lot of people!

[poboy2]

3. Extinction level event. Existential threat to Western Civilization. -nt

[mythology]

4. I agree

I think before everything is over, we will end up making some of those norms legal requirements. I think the nepotism and emoluments clause in particular. I'd like to see the tax releases required but that might be hard constitutionally.

[nature-lover]

51. All of these plus a top secret security clearance prior to nomination.

[mercuryblues]

60. yes

I think all candidates for the general election should have to pass a security clearance before being able to run in the general. Hell I have had to pass them on occasion for trivial shit like getting on certain bases and all ports.

So why should someone who has access to the most sensitive info that can not pass a security clearance be able to work in the Oval office?

[Squinch]

6. Promise me?

[unblock]

7. Sadly, very, very few super rich people ever face true justice

Odds are really, really good he never sees the inside of a jail cell.

The same doctors who lied to says he’s in perfect health will suddenly decide he’s on death’s door and can’t possibly serve time.

Worse outcome possible for him is he retires to a life of wealthy leisure on some island paradise.

Well, at least, that’s the worst America can deal out. Putin could do worse....

[shraby]

13. I have a suggestion about the island paradise. Guatanamo Bay on Cuba.

[unblock]

23. ...

[PJMcK]

40. Trumps not super rich

Just sayin’.

[unblock]

44. Rich enough to escape justice

[Glorfindel]

53. Some relevant lyrics from "Evita"

Peron:

"There again we could be foolish not to quit while we're ahead
For distance lends enchantment, and that is why
All exiles are distinguished, more important, they're not dead
I could find job satisfaction in Paraguay

(snip)

There again we could be foolish not to quit while we're ahead
I can see us many miles away, inactive
Sipping cocktails on a terrace, taking breakfast in bed
Sleeping easy, doing crosswords, it's attractive"

[ginnyinWI]

8. And I don't want him to become a Saint Trump to the RW.

His crimes have to be exposed and indisputable. Has to walk out of the WH in shame so that 95 percent of us see and know the truth. There will always be nuts, but the vast majority have to see what he really has been doing to us. To see what he really is--and isn't.

[poboy2]

14. Maybe instead of an ex-presidentail library, it could be a presidential PRISON

They're be a large glass people could walk by to see the TRAITOR go about his day in an 10x10 cell.
Think of the revenue it would produce.

[ginnyinWI]

17. his hair will match his jumpsuit! n/t

[global1]

20. Turn His Prison Time Into A Reality Show....

He likes TV so much - he might as well star in his own embarrassment.

[poboy2]

21. Okay now we're rolling. I am liking this.

Internet video cam too. Maybe subscription. Tax deductible.

[RainCaster]

29. Think "fish of water" show. The Golden Don in a blue collar penitentiary

No high class tennis courted prison for him, but a prison full of "some good people".

[Poiuyt]

37. I still feel that there will always be 35% who see him as their god

Trump is a cult leader, and some of his cult followers can see him doing no wrong. They won't believe the evidence if it hits them in their faces.

[Stuart G]

48. I think that number is between 25 - 27 percent...not 35..

When Nixon was on the way out, that is after the investigation got very close to him, erased tapes, obvious lies, and it appeared that he was going to be impeached...still 25 -27 percent supported him..I believe that is the extent of Trumps final support.. (you can look up the Nixon numbers.)

Nevertheless, 25 percent in favor of an authoritarian government is awful. That 25 percent will support Trump no matter what, and it will blame the "media" for the situation. Keep in mind not all of them vote. Who knows how many vote..But they are there. I believe they have always been there. It is up to the rest of us to prevent them from ever taking over.

Keep this in mind, Hitler never had more than 37 percent vote in a free competitive election. That is two more than what you are talking about. I don't think Trump has that much, but I do think 25 percent think he can do no wrong. And that is no matter what Trump does, he can do no wrong..

[Poiuyt]

50. You may be right about those numbers

I hope that's all there is. It just seems like there are a lot of people who seem to worship him. I don't remember this kind of idolatry during Nixon's years. Trump is clearly better with the media and is able to instill fear in Republican politicians better than Nixon. Republicans in Congress are afraid to cross him.

Maybe once Trump is out of office, the knives will come out. There will still be a group who will follow him. Nazis, racists, bigots, etc.

[CrispyQ]

58. That figure fits with the recent report that 1 in 4 Americans are okay with authoritarianism,

even if they aren't aware of it. The original article is from Salon. Here's the DU thread:
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100210373210

They are like Trump - they will never admit to being wrong & in fact, will often double down.

[dameatball]

9. This will take time. His removal from office will not be the end of it.

He can probably be indicted now. However, the subsequent investigations will continue to turn over new rocks, perhaps for years after he has "left the building."

[Control-Z]

25. I've missed a lot of the news this past week.

You wrote, he can probably be indicted now. Did something big happen that I missed?

[dameatball]

47. No, but I think the obstruction of justice is warranted, but it would be stupid to do that now.

[CrispyQ]

59. The entire upper echelon of repub leadership needs to be exposed for the rot that it is.

Or we'll be back here again. McConnell must go down, too. He might be the biggest snake of them all.

[CentralMass]

10. Let's hope so but we learned that the GOP can get away with anything.

[hlthe2b]

11. Just remember that life is not particularly fair and Karma often comes over time and in steps

Still, I have to hope a cleansing will occur and SOON.

[Kirk Lover]

12. His blatant and overt lies will finally catch up with him. nt

[RKP5637]

15. Once the tipping point is reached, he will go down quickly. He's a criminal, traitor and ultimate

sleaze.

[RainCaster]

30. The tipping point is the Blue Wave

The GOP has no spine and must be removed first.

[Civic Justice]

16. By Right -Trump is "Humpty Dumpty" and due for a Great Fall

In 1648, Colchester was a walled town with a castle and several churches and was protected by the city wall. The story given was that a large cannon, which the website claimed was colloquially called Humpty Dumpty, was strategically placed on the wall. A shot from a Parliamentary cannon succeeded in damaging the wall beneath Humpty Dumpty which caused the cannon to tumble to the ground.

Mueller will be like that Parliamentary cannon that succeeds in damaging the wall that Humpty Dumpty placed himself, (Republican System) & (Trump,Inc) and it will tumble to the ground, shattered into uncountable pieces. Never to be put back together by Trump loyalist nor Republican System !!!

[jaxind]

18. Yes...

Yes, but unfortunately we will still have his cult followers living in our country!

[global1]

19. Look What Happened To Bernie Madoff's Business And Family...

it's possible the same fate will do in Trump. Trump's crimes are more extensive and greater than Madoff's.

[Clarity2]

43. I sometimes think

Bernie Madoff only got justice because he ripped off other rich people.

[Stuart G]

22. When this is said and done, I believe that no hotel in the world will have a Trump name.

"The names will be changed to protect the so called innocent.".. buyers of the property..

None...the name will be so dirty...filthy...ugly...

[FarCenter]

24. Does Trump have a credible "Samson Option"

[DinahMoeHum]

26. Nobody is that lucky forever.

Nobody.

[smirkymonkey]

28. I kind of believe that. He has defied that odds for 71 years and its time for

karma to catch up with him. He has a lot to answer for. I hope he goes down spectacularly.

[Mr. Ected]

27. Talk about a Catch-22

Had Trump never been "elected" President, he and his family and cohorts may have never been caught in flagrante delicto.

Once sworn into office, though, his crimes are in full public view, but now he has the most potent constitutional protection against incarceration of any American citizen, as well as an almost-unlimited array of defenses, both legal and extra-constitutional, at his disposal.

This is a showdown between due process and the ultimate constitutional manipulation. Sure wish the Founding Fathers had had a time machine and could have foreseen some of this. We really need a constitutional backstop that is sorely lacking.

[RainCaster]

31. That constitutional backdrop is supposed to be the other branches of government

So where are they? Judicial is failing, and the Legislative is complicit.

[Mr. Ected]

32. Not enough checks and balances available when more than one branch is complicit

Whoever would have thought that we could become this corrupt this quickly?

[jberryhill]

38. The basic idea is that any combination of two can end-run the other one

[Grammy23]

35. But we do have scholars of the constitution. They know its contents and history backwards and

forwards. If anyone understands what options we have, it is them. Occasionally, we get signals from them that all is not lost, but I think many of us are on the ragged edge just from the uncertainty and feeling of being off balance. I don’t know exactly why this is being allowed to continue but my sense of it is that we a building to a climax very soon when the truth will come out. Those scholars have their work cut out for them.

[enid602]

33. Visual

I'm hoping that Stormy will be the one to ultimately 'drain the swamp.' Gawd, what a visual.

[bitterross]

34. Nothing would be sweeter than that Karma payback.

45's desire to seek revenge on Obama by dismantling everything Obama did and to try to one up Obama has made him more insane. To see his attempts to "win" turn around and beat him by demolishing his entire family would be true justice.

[dawg day]

36. I think he might go to jail.

Well, probably not-- he could stay in court until he gets so old, no one would bother to jail him.

But Kushner? Donnie Jr? Yeah, I think they might end up in prison stripes.

And Melania will dump him, and Ivanka will realize he got her children's daddy put in jail, and he'll be alone. And he's nowhere near as rich as he claims, so he might even end up broke.

I can dream. After this just pure maliciousness against an FBI agent, well, I have absolutely no sympathy at all for Trump. Never did, but I used to think he was human at least.

[briv1016]

41. Why? You think Donald will feel shame and not pardon himself? You think Republicans will admit

they where wrong and impeach? You think Putin will see the error in his ways and not screw with the November election?

This world is not a fairy tale.

[FreepFryer]

52. Pardon himself? No.

"Under the fundamental rule that no one may be a judge in his own case, the President cannot pardon himself," — Acting Assistant Attorney General Mary Lawton to President Nixon, 3 days before his resignation.

https://www.justice.gov/file/20856/download

What else you got?

[briv1016]

55. Ultimately that's going to be up to the Supreme Court to decide.

If Kennedy retires this summer as he's hinted he will, it's all over.

[FreepFryer]

56. LOL. You seem determined to be dispirited, facts notwithstanding. Enjoy it. (n/t)

[malaise]

42. +1,000

Rec

[marlakay]

45. My dream is they all end up in jail broke

Having lost everything and when they get out if they do, no one will hire them.

And anything from being a president is taken away, pension, security, etc.

[Stuart G]

49. IF they all end up broke, that is enough for me.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

46. The hangover from this guy will be massive.

I can't begin to conceive how many years it will take, and how many thousands of court man-hours will be spent before the final end of this dilemma is marked. There will be hundreds of court cases and hundreds of books written.

Then, there's the somewhat separate hangover from this Congress that will be with us for decades.

Just to think - only two short years ago, I thought my retirement was going to be worry-free in the political realm. Damn.

............

[Scurrilous]

61. Don't !@#$ with the Feds.

The dumbest criminal knows that...