I said this to a Trump voter at work and his face turned red with embarrassment.

[shockey80]

I update all the Trump voters I know about the investigation. I enjoy it, it's my way of sticking it to their dumb asses. They don't have a fucking clue.

I informed a Trump voter at work, who is religious, that Mueller had just subpoenaed Trump org. and I updated him on Stormy Daniels. He said we have different political views. I told him this is not about politics. This is about sane and insane. I then asked him, how can a religious person like yourself vote for a guy who was fucking a porn star while his third wife was pregnant? His face turned bright red and he looked away.

Some Trump voters are slowly starting to get it. I have said this before, Trump voters will become infamous. They will be remembered. They will become a punchline.

[lame54]

1. History will lump us together...

He is our legacy too

[erronis]

16. Yes - to differing degrees. Some wanted it; some enabled; some went along; and

We'll all end up the same.

History, especially from the 100-1,000 year view, doesn't get too detailed into the psychologies, more the effects.

And in the end, archaeologists will dig through our rubble (hopefully not too radioactive after 100,000 years) and will marvel at the evidence of that species going to great length to do itself in.

[lame54]

24. Do you know the names of "the good Germans"?

[thucythucy]

35. Well, there were Hans and Sophie Scholl

and the student activists of the White Rose (executed in 1943 for printing and distributing anti-Nazi leaflets).

There was Rev. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, Hans von Dohnanyi, Rev. Martin Niemoeller, among many others, all of whom also paid with their lives. Then too there were the many German artists, musicians, actors, scientists--from Thomas Mann to Albert Einstein to Marlene Dietrich to George Grosz--who became refugees and in one way or another joined the Allied effort to defeat their native land.

But I suppose you're being sarcastic by saying "good Germans"--using the phrase the way it was used during the first few decades after the war, to refer to the vast majority of Germans who kept their heads down and went along with what was happening until it was too late.

Hopefully it's not too late for us. Then again, we now live in a world stockpiled with nuclear weapons, which means the capacity for destruction placed in very few (and very small) hands dwarfs even that of Hitler.

So we are both more empowered to resist because of the strength of our institutions--and less powerful if it comes down to an actual nuclear conflagration. Germans in 1933 had had less than two decades experience with anything resembling democracy, and so their democratic institutions were able to be strangled pretty much at birth. On the other hand, not even a madman like Hitler could destroy the entire planet in less than an hour.

I think the most dangerous time for us all will be the run up to the November elections. If Trump and his enablers really believe that the Democrats will take either house of Congress, there's no telling what they're liable to spring on us.

[erronis]

58. Good post with historical context. And very sobering. n/t

[Farmer-Rick]

37. Oskar Schindler of the infamous list.

The German military intelligence assisted a resistance movement. Interesting that intelligence organizations seem to be the beating heart of resistance movements.

[thucythucy]

65. Absolutely.

German military intelligence -- the Abwehr-- provided cover for resistance figures and double agents to travel to and from Switzerland and Sweden so they could meet with representatives of the Allied services.

There's a story--and though this appears in several books it might only be a story--that British intelligence had an opportunity to assassinate Admiral Canaris--the head of the Abwehr--while he visited Spain during the war, but that the head of SIS nixed the operation. This was reported to Stalin by Kim Philby, the Russian mole, who interpreted it as the Allies trying to double cross the Russians by entering into a separate peace with Hitler. The other interpretation, however, is that the head of British intelligence knew that Canaris was in fact a British asset, and so it was important he stay in place.

We may never know for sure all the ins and outs of this story. Canaris was however removed from his role as the head of the Abwehr after the July 20 attempt on Hitler's life, tried in a secret court, and executed just as the war was ending.

[flyingfysh]

71. Bonhoeffer was in the Abwehr

He found temporary refuge there, while all the time working to oppose Hitler. He was running an underground seminary, working to oppose Nazi influence on the official Lutheran church. He knew what Hitler was, but chose to return to Germany anyway. He could have stayed in London, where he would have been safe.

As intelligence services go, the Abwehr was surprisingly ineffective. Perhaps this was no accident?

After an attempted assassination of Hitler failed, an investigation resulted in Bonhoeffer and other Abwehr members being arrested. Bonhoeffer was hanged in April 1945.

[Sentath]

51. The White Rose Society

No, I didn't cheat and look them up first. The bet with myself was that I only got to post this if I got the organization letter perfect (in english translation)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Rose

[elehhhhna]

55. I will follow my ancestor, Willam Dercksen, who founded the resistance in Gouda Holland

A protestant, he died at the camp at Sachsenhausen in 1944. Prisoner number 100748.

Never forget, motherfuckers.

[Skittles]

32. I voted for Hillary and I have always despised Donald Fucking Trump

I was NOT a part of it.

[Progressive dog]

66. No history won't

Trump will have no legacy to look back on. The majority of my fellow Americans, will continue to oppose him.

[mikeysnot]

2. they will be eating so much crow

they will be farting feathers for years.

[Ohiogal]

3. Ha!

[world wide wally]

4. I hope you used the word "fucking"

[shockey80]

5. I did use the word fucking.

I am very honest and blunt.

[StevieM]

23. I think you meant to make this reply to world wide wally. I don't know if they saw it because

you replied to your own OP.

I just wanted to give you a heads up about that, in case it was an accident.

[KY_EnviroGuy]

36. You're what we would call..

a good guy holding a loaded brain behind your mouth!......

Keep up the good work!

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

52. From Stomy Daniels' account, there wasn't much real fucking involved.

It was more like, "He laid on top of me and made noises like a walrus."

[Efilroft Sul]

6. I read an article about a week ago that had a crystal-clear premise.

Good people do not support a bad man.

It's easy for even Trump supporters to understand. If you consider yourself a good person, you shouldn't be supporting Trump. And if you're supporting Trump, then maybe you're not as good a person as you think that you are.

[oxbow]

11. Well put! Nt

[fierywoman]

15. I'd like to see "Good people do not support a bad man" on church billboards

all over this country, up and down, red and blue, left and right.

[erronis]

19. Perfect! How can anyone not understand the subtlety of that message?

Well, maybe some REALLY stupid deplorables, at the bottom 10% of that bottom 30%.

And of course, the people that are reaping the harvests of destroying this country and its democracy.
- The top 1% of the top 1%
- And the foreign adversaries who have worked to make this happen (maybe they are the same?)

And, please don't limit to church billboards. There are lots of "You Saw This" billboards in bibble-humping territory that would love to get 50/month vs. 0/month.

[fierywoman]

22. It's only $50 a month? We should send the sentence to those

guys who are putting up the provocative billboards in uncomfortable places! And/or to that billionaire who's putting out the impeach info...

[defacto7]

25. Depending on location

It can be 10x that much. I've not heard of a $50/mo billboard. Maybe.

[Egnever]

26. I looked into one where I live once.

They wanted 2k a month.

[erronis]

30. Well, I guess I made a bad guess. Mainly based on the awful messages I've seen

While traveling some of the Blue Highways of the US.

I can't see the poor churches of the South paying too much of their tithing plate's rake to some rural billboard.

I'll gladly chip in for one major billboard outside of dump's dump in Florida. Send me a private message!

Another idea (just speculating here)... I wonder if some of those video projectionists that shine messages on buildings at night couldn't come up with a FREE new message overlaying the "Buy More Viagra/Tobacco/Insurance" ones already there? Just a random brain fart.

[fierywoman]

33. Great brain fart! I love the artists who do the projections... project it on the

Capitol Building!

[sharedvalues]

20. Good people do not support a bad PARTY

Would be even better. This president was created by the GOP.

[erronis]

34. This president (and some of the TP GOP) were created by outside interests

It's becoming evident that foreign and supposedly US-based interests (Koch, Mercer, etc.) were instrumental in making a president out of a huckster.

Of course most politicians have to be hucksters too since they promise what they don't plan to deliver. The repuglican base seems to be susceptible to carnies and get-rich schemes.

(TP stands for Toilet Paper as well as Tea Potties.)

[sharedvalues]

49. GOP: party of billionaires, goal: destroy govt to cut taxes on billionaires.

Yup, you’re 100% right. The GOP billionaires built a propaganda machine to incite racism and hate to get votes for billionaires. And the president just said out loud what the GOP previously only dogwhistled.


Koch and Murdoch and Mercer own this. They built it, and they got this president elected.

[UCmeNdc]

7. Trump Voters are so full of sh+t!

[lindysalsagal]

8. I'm guessing that about 6 months after the asshat finally leaves office, he'll be disowned.

Suddenly, you won't be able to find a living soul who voted for the fool.

[Hulk]

14. Just like it was hard to find a Nazi after WWII

Cowards. They’ve come out of the closet with their bigotry and hatred...and now we need to call them out and label these low life, sick bastards loud and clear before they run back in and hide again.

[JHB]

69. Hell, just like the Tea Party.

They ran this scam before, nine years ago.

Suddenly, nobody had voted for Bush and they were just “independents” just as suddenly concerned about deficits.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

21. Yep. Jackass evangelicals did that with bewsh. I called a guy on that.

And on his genuflecting to Sham Hamity.

“Sputter sputter” was the reply.

[erronis]

28. But like that failed southern revolt, there may be some in 100 years who will pay

big cosmo-rubles to own one of the original maggot hats.

Picture a convention of the KKK in 2118:
(KKK) Kompromised Klan of Klucks

-- Greetings, Komrades of the KKK.

-- Our Great Leader Putin III has blessed our meeting in Memphis (in the former state Tennessee, of the former republic of the Russian territory of the former country of the USA [which used to belong to other indigenous peoples and other nations], etc., etc.)

---- To promote peace and stability throughout the land. (From sea to shining sea.)
------ Actually the whole god-be-damned globe and several settled space outposts
---- To support your efforts to feed and clothe your poor family
------ (education and housing will come later)

-- As the great King of Siam (for life, no less) said: Etchetera, etcherta, etchetera
---- (which means "don't bother me with facts!&quot

-- And most importantly we want to pay our annual respects to the person who made this all possible

---- Emperor Donald Trump
------ (and his spawn, all of whom died suddenly after granting control of their territories to Putin The Great)

[mnhtnbb]

9. Women are for fu*king to evangelicals. That's it. To be submissive.

The evangelicals were never going to vote for a qualified woman over ANY man. Period. The man could
be as amoral, ignorant, racist, sexist and disgusting as Trump and would still get their votes because he had
the major qualification for the job: a penis! The evangelicals didn't give a shit where he had put it or when,
as long as he had one he would get their vote over any woman.

[Duppers]

27. That's my 92yo evangelical mother.

She's always been nuts.

[UTUSN]

10. You lucked out with yours. I've asked the same to some local wingnuts and it didn't faze them a bit.

[sharedvalues]

18. Ask them: how do they like being huge suckers

Who believe billionaire-funded propaganda designed to screw them? GOP propaganda lies to them to get their votes to help billionaires and hurt average Americans.


These kind of lines have always worked well for me. Generally the GOP types yell at me but then a few months later their minds have quite clearly opened up.

Calling them suckers only fails to work on the $150k/yr+ salary selfish “I got mine screw you” GOP types. But even those GOP voters are seeing how the $3T tax cut on billionaires will hurt them by destroying Medicare.

[airplaneman]

44. Its actually a 6 T tax cut for the 1% and a 4.5 T tax increase for the 99%.

My taxes go up 10% in 2019 and 50-60% in 2026 under this tax cut plan.

-Airplane

[sharedvalues]

48. Nice. And that 4.5T revenue number is inflated

The GOP maximally cooked the books to show a 1.5T tax cut. The true number for realistic non-trickle-down-lie economics is $3T total. :vomit:


Koches got a $1B tax cut this year. They got what they paid the GOP for.

[HipChick]

12. Thanks...Filing this...I have to meet with MAGA hats next week in the office..

I am going to enjoy then having to stuff this...

[aeromanKC]

13. But but her emails

and the Clinton foundation and her taking $700,000 per speech. bla bla bla

(And BTW, say, why would the Clinton foundation take $1,000,000 in so called questionable funds when all Hillary has to do is make 2 speeches..??)

[sharedvalues]

17. Offering to pay a porn star for sex. Not merely fucking.

[PearliePoo2]

29. Because of Roe vs Wade. They'll justify ANYTHING or ANYONE to get it overturned.

[SummerSnow]

31. Guilt by association, remember what happened in Nazi Germany

German civilians dig graves and bury Nazi atrocity victims in Leipzig, Germany. HD Stock Footage

...And they made them watch what they sat back and did nothing to prevent

[IronLionZion]

38. They got their tax cuts so they can stop pretending to support him for family values

[Hoyt]

39. Behind a voting curtain, 99+% would vote for him again.

[Farmer-Rick]

40. Saw a very similar thing under W.

When it came out that W. was promoting torture and that a 14 year old boy was raped in jail. I told that to an evangelical W. supporter and he told me he didn't care how many 14 year old boys got raped as long as one American soldier was saved. He kind of caught himself and paused. Later I repeated too him what he had said and he had the good grace to blush.

And he wondered why his wife left him.

[Tiggeroshii]

41. It will get to the point where when asked who you voted for in 2016

Most peoplr will sat Clinton out of shame of having voted for trump

[Lazy Daisy]

42. My boss uses the excuse that she didn't vote for him

But all the batchyt crazy RW talking points come pouring out of her mouth on a regular basis. SMH
Personally I feel she's just as responsible as if she did vote for him. She spreads the RW lies that caused our country to be where it is today.

[TrishaJ]

43. I think they all should have

"I voted for Donald Trump" engraved on their tombstones.

[shadowmayor]

45. Mysterious Ways

Every time a goddamned repuke gets elected I have to hear how it was god's will and "he's a man of god" and on and on. I am truly confused as to how and why the prince of peace selected a porn star fucking, immigrant bashing, rich prick liar who is adored by nazis and skinheads and bigots in general? As Thomas Jefferson said: “Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions.” And truthfully, laughing at trump-sucks sometimes feels good, even if it is at their own ignorant expense!

[smirkymonkey]

46. Good for you!

Well done!

[liberalla]

47. "We have different political views...?"

Your political view condones treasonous actions against the United States of America? It's OK to be a traitor if you have an R behind your name?

Like Atticus posted a couple of days ago... Vote Democratic, or learn to speak Russian.

[Ilsa]

50. conservative political Christians will be laughed at:

Link to tweet

?s=19

Kurt Eichenwald

The truth that Christofascists do not yet understand, but that the deeply religious theology professor who wrote this does: You threw your hand away with Donald Trump. No one - NO ONE - will ever listen to conservative political Christians again without laughing.

7:44 PM - Mar 17, 2018

[nolabels]

68. I don't feel that will be the case

Mostly for the truly hardcore of these type of people that the fantastical lies they have held themselves to actually make them who they are. They will just invent some new theory on about it all just as to prove to themselves they were correct all along. In other words, they have such an investment in lying to themselves that lying to the rest of the world is just a trivial matter. It's like trying to take the spots out a leopard.

[Nevernose]

53. I was informed recently

That the speaker was tired of listening to the MSM that wasn’t Fox or some rando conservative website about Stormy Daniels, a woman who was clearly just trying to get Donald Trump to pay her money she didn’t deserve.

I was diplomatic and didn’t say how anyone banging Trump deserves way more than 130k.

It’s weird, how this person totally ignored facts or events or logic or commen sense... I know that’s what we expect from Trumpsters, but this plainly was slipping into psychological disorder. All they knew was that Trump was being framed and extorted by a porn star he’d never even met.

I wish I had the words to describe this properly. I’m not sure if they exist.

[oberliner]

54. That's the least of the problems with Trump

His sex life, in and of itself, is not really a topic of concern.

So many actual things to attack him on.

[MrsCoffee]

56. Oh for fucks sake.

His sex life?

That is absurdly dismissive of the callousness of his adultry, the lies, the coverups and the threats that are definitely a concern. Not to mention the blatant hypocrisy of the “family values” party.

[oberliner]

60. Coverups and threats are definitely something to attack him on

His having sex outside of marriage does not bother me. Many of my Democratic heroes cheated on their spouses.

[treestar]

57. It should matter to THEM

obviously, the point is they do not really believe their own shit.

[oberliner]

61. Yes, Republicans are full of crap

Evangelical Republicans in particular.

[EL34x4]

67. There is very little that Trump could do to make his evangelical supporters..

...wish that they had voted instead for Hillary Clinton.

Many people here just can't comprehend the level of hate that a large segment of Trump voters have for Mrs. Clinton. When Trump he could stand on the corner of 5th Ave. and shoot people, he wasn't being hyperbolic.

[treestar]

72. Their fear of women

Is far greater than their disdain for sinful men

[uncle ray]

59. this shouldn't have to be explained:

the fact that he had a relationship with a porn star that he was willing to pay money to keep secret shows his vulnerability to blackmail. the sex scandal is a lead-in to those other "actual things" when talking to non-liberal political junkies.

[oberliner]

62. Agreed

I'm just saying that the fact of his having sex with her, in and of itself, is not a problem for me. It is difficult for me as a liberal to get worked up about that in particular.

[MrsCoffee]

64. Did you vote for Trump?

Because that is what the OP is about. The hypocrisy of the family values party Trump voter.

One wouldn’t expect a liberal to give a shit about Trump’s or anyone else’s “sex life”. But the family values party and supporters would be having apoplectic fits if this were a Democratic president. And you know it.

Liberals are concerned with the hypocrisy and the consequences of Trump’s sex life (kompromat, lies, threats, coverups).

[milestogo]

63. Well at least there's a tiny bit of shame.

[bucolic_frolic]

70. Way to go Shockey

Embarrass them. Amazed they experience shame. Unlike their God.