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UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:10 AM Mar 2018

Is America's President A Russian Asset?

Until now, the notion of an American president controlled by a foreign adversary was confined to fiction.

In thrillers, no plot is too paranoid or absurd. Imagine this one: A hostile power ― for verisimilitude, Russia works best ― installs a compliant U.S. president by tampering with our election. When our traitorous leader begins menacing officials who suspect his perfidy, the Russians unleash a torrent of propaganda to support him, using front people to conceal their role. Soon, they have divided America into warring camps, buying their puppet time to cover up his actions while they continue to pull his strings. Desperate, a former director of national intelligence warns that Russia’s despotic leader ― a murderous former KGB agent ― is handling our president like a Russian “asset.”

America has stepped through the looking glass. The intelligence director is James Clapper. The Russian spymaster is Vladimir Putin. The American president is Donald Trump.

What underlies Trump’s hysteria about the investigation by special counsel Robert Mueller? One inescapable possibility is that he compromised America’s interests in exchange for Putin’s help in 2016.

This much we know: Russia hacked damaging emails from the Clinton campaign, which WikiLeaks released at critical moments. Concurrently, Russian bots and operatives within the U.S. targeted key states with fake news and political activities calculated to help Trump ― a massive assault for which Mueller has now indicted 13 Russians and three Russian companies.

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/opinion-patterson-trump-russia_us_5a98709ae4b0a0ba4ad179b2


I think the answer to the question, Is Donald Trump a Russian Intelligence asset? is yes. Yes he is.

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Is America's President A Russian Asset? (Original Post) UCmeNdc Mar 2018 OP
Biden called it treason. Zoonart Mar 2018 #1
He's a career corrupt criminal , duforsure Mar 2018 #2
Puppet or Stooge is a more accurate Term JI7 Mar 2018 #3
Yes Meowmee Mar 2018 #4
Depreciating asset elehhhhna Mar 2018 #30
Yep Meowmee Mar 2018 #33
Yes he is a traitor, as assets go so is anyone who supports Trump. gordianot Mar 2018 #5
In the long run, likely a liability. Dale Neiburg Mar 2018 #6
Four-star general Barry McCaffrey basically just said he is. Hortensis Mar 2018 #7
All signs point to "yes". dubyadiprecession Mar 2018 #8
Curious the first half of McCabe's career involved investigating the Russian mob in New York City. Vinca Mar 2018 #9
Wow...had not heard that. Very curious indeed Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #11
Yes. NRaleighLiberal Mar 2018 #10
... Docreed2003 Mar 2018 #12
The Manchurian Candidate was fiction. The Kremlin Candidate is fact. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Mar 2018 #13
compromised Locrian Mar 2018 #14
I love it when people answer their own question. gibraltar72 Mar 2018 #15
Yes, the president is a Russian asset. Jim__ Mar 2018 #16
This is not the important question! Shoonra Mar 2018 #17
YES. nt jrthin Mar 2018 #18
Putting money into Trump was the best investment Putin ever made. keithbvadu2 Mar 2018 #19
I disagree with the "until now..." part debsy Mar 2018 #20
Well, he's definitely NOT an American asset... Wounded Bear Mar 2018 #21
Yes Botany Mar 2018 #22
Yes. Sunsky Mar 2018 #23
He said it himself whether or not he knew what he was saying. tetedur Mar 2018 #24
Of course treasonous TrumPutin is a Russian asset Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #25
I have absolutely no doubt he is kowtowing to Russia Siwsan Mar 2018 #26
It's been obvious for over a year. Russian asset... dchill Mar 2018 #27
Yes. Has been for years. roamer65 Mar 2018 #28
Trump, is a criminal and a traitor! n/t RKP5637 Mar 2018 #29
Is water wet? Gothmog Mar 2018 #31
"Is Trump a Russian Agent? A Legal Analysis" 2016 article John1956PA Mar 2018 #32
Yes. Even if he is completely innocent *chortle* which he's not, he is an asset, it's OBVI. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #34

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
2. He's a career corrupt criminal ,
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:16 AM
Mar 2018

And Putin has it over his head he'll expose him . That's why trump's weak on putin and russia, he's compromised. He is guilty of treason , and conspiracy with putin, which may make trump a terrorist also with putin. Different laws apply for terrorists.

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
33. Yep
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 04:07 PM
Mar 2018

We’ll see in time I guess. I believe they have tons of dirt on him as well obviously. Yet we still can’t get rid of this monster and his band of traitors.

Dale Neiburg

(698 posts)
6. In the long run, likely a liability.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 07:48 AM
Mar 2018

But he definitely belongs to Putin, at least until he's no longer useful.

In that connection, one of the objectives of the poisoning of a former Russian agent and his adult daughter may have been to keep Trump in line (note DJT's apparently obsessive fear of being poisoned -- he probably knows what his playmates are capable of).

Jim__

(14,077 posts)
16. Yes, the president is a Russian asset.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:05 AM
Mar 2018

The really pathetic thing is that we've all known it for over a year and yet we can't get him out of office.

Shoonra

(521 posts)
17. This is not the important question!
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:48 AM
Mar 2018

More important than whether Trump has been a Russian asset ....

Has Trump been an asset to America?

I bet you can guess my answer to this question.

debsy

(530 posts)
20. I disagree with the "until now..." part
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:55 AM
Mar 2018

I think it was evident before the election but, rather than following the leads, media decided to show us empty podiums waiting for dumpster to appear... Had they put forth a bit of effort PRIOR to the election, we may not be where we are at this moment in time. I know - woulda, coulda, shoulda but it needs to be pointed out so they don't make the same mistake ever again.

Wounded Bear

(58,660 posts)
21. Well, he's definitely NOT an American asset...
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:58 AM
Mar 2018

and if you apply typical conserva/repub logic to that you get to the old "if he ain't with us he's against us" level.

Right?

Botany

(70,508 posts)
22. Yes
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 09:59 AM
Mar 2018

When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time. Maya Angelou


Trump just fired Tillerson for his support of the UK and its actions against Russia.

tetedur

(820 posts)
24. He said it himself whether or not he knew what he was saying.
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 10:10 AM
Mar 2018

“If Putin likes Donald Trump, guess what folks, that's called an asset, not a liability,” the president-elect told reporters on Wednesday morning.

Putin probably told him "You can be my asset." In his befuddled brain he thought that it meant the connotation was good so he used it in his own sentence and tacked on the liability verbiage.




http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-elections/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-asset-press-conference-live-news-russia-hacking-dossier-a7522146.html

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,347 posts)
25. Of course treasonous TrumPutin is a Russian asset
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 10:12 AM
Mar 2018

TrumPutin has not been tried and convicted of treason, but he has committed treason as defined in the Constitution. He has adhered to the enemies of the United States and given them aid and comfort. Failure to execute the law, overwhelmingly passed by Congress, sanctioning Russia for meddling in our election is sufficient by itself to satisfy the definition.


Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleiii

Siwsan

(26,263 posts)
26. I have absolutely no doubt he is kowtowing to Russia
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 10:13 AM
Mar 2018

Don't know if it's because he was promised something, or (more likely) they have something on him.

John1956PA

(2,654 posts)
32. "Is Trump a Russian Agent? A Legal Analysis" 2016 article
Sat Mar 17, 2018, 10:41 AM
Mar 2018

From https://lawfareblog.com/trump-russian-agent-legal-analysis :


Is Trump a Russian Agent? A Legal Analysis
Lawfare website
By Susan Hennessey, Benjamin Wittes Wednesday, July 27, 2016, 1:46 PM

. . .

Even if there were no covert actions, the overt ones alone are pretty telling. Putin and others in the Russian leadership have repeatedly praised Trump. They are not playing their cards close to their vests about liking him and disliking his opponent. In U.S. presidential elections, the distinction between working on behalf of one candidate versus against the other is largely semantic. Harm done to one of the candidates in a two-party system necessarily benefits the other. So it is difficult to understand how much Russia is motivated by liking Trump and how much it is motivated by hating Clinton. Probably a bit of a both.

. . .

The phrase “useful idiots” (полезные дураки, in Russian) is often attributed to Lenin—though probably not accurately—and refers to people in the West who can be counted upon by virtue of naivete or stupidity to act on Russia’s behalf while not being active agents. This is probably the best way to understand the relationship between Trump and Putin. The evidence of a bromance between them is uncontestable. The evidence of an affinity in personality and strongman nastiness is as well.

Moreover, the evidence is neither contested or contestable that Trump has taken public positions exceedingly favorable to Russia and far outside of the American mainstream. As Foer points out at great length in his excellent piece, Trump has repeatedly sought to do business in Russia and acquired financing from Russian sources. He has proposed Russia-friendly policies, even to the point of proposing to abandon NATO allies. He has praised Putin repeatedly. And he has surrounded himself with people who have extensive histories representing the interests of those close to Putin. Only today, Trump openly sided with Russian intelligence against the United States and urged further spying.

Small wonder that Russia has responded by seeking to advance Trump’s cause domestically, both by covert and overt means. Who needs an agent when you get so much for free?


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