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gabeana

(3,166 posts)
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 07:52 PM Mar 2018

What age do you think old age begins

found this article from last year, being considered old is being pushed back further

old age for men begins at 70 and for women around 73

so our Dem Pol's who are in their 70's are in their young old age

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-age-is-considered-old-nowadays/

Note that by these definitions, "old" in the 1920s -- 55 -- is now considered "middle aged" today, and "very old" in the 1920s -- 65 -- is now considered merely "old" today.

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What age do you think old age begins (Original Post) gabeana Mar 2018 OP
The point when you actually start counting down the days to retirement. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #1
Retirement isn't old age. It's time to start a new life. Hortensis Mar 2018 #25
I work in high-pressure finance, and more people die within 5 years of forced retirement than don't. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #35
Could the fact it was forced over chosen KPN Mar 2018 #39
Policy is that once an employee hits federal retirement age, they must resign. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #42
Hmmm. Sad. What role do you think KPN Mar 2018 #51
A lot. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #73
I guess I would ask you personally is it worth it? KPN Mar 2018 #75
I thought forced retirement was illegal and assumed Hortensis Mar 2018 #69
If the policy is that once they hit federal retirement age they must resign, PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #76
always 15 years older my current age Skittles Mar 2018 #2
I'm going with 20 years. Control-Z Mar 2018 #4
This.. ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #66
You can really tell the difference when you look at old photographs DavidDvorkin Mar 2018 #3
I know watching re-runs of all in the family gabeana Mar 2018 #5
Edith was going through menopause happynewyear Mar 2018 #8
I saw the one when she went to her high school reunion gabeana Mar 2018 #9
Yes. It was one of the things that stood out to me PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #78
Old age? 70. IluvPitties Mar 2018 #6
That is what the article gabeana Mar 2018 #7
Oh, God... Freedomofspeech Mar 2018 #26
That is the difference a generation or so gabeana Mar 2018 #87
For my 70th birthday I got a class card at my local circus place dhol82 Mar 2018 #31
Way to go. That sounds like fun. Arkansas Granny Mar 2018 #34
It is awesome!!! dhol82 Mar 2018 #37
That is amazing! Freedomofspeech Mar 2018 #88
When you start saying mean things about the generation behind you marylandblue Mar 2018 #10
Next Year-Until Then We Dance Stallion Mar 2018 #11
Don't feel old yet at 74. But have stopped calling myself middle-aged.... LAS14 Mar 2018 #12
It's all relative. BigmanPigman Mar 2018 #13
Since Micheal's father, Kirk is 100 + years, he's gotta be thinking oasis Mar 2018 #22
I'll let the employers guide us on this. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #14
One of my bosses took a package at 55 so he could get another job. Most don't hire execs over that. TheBlackAdder Mar 2018 #40
Only if working is what makes life rewarding. KPN Mar 2018 #43
Kicking cuz I want something to look at while I wait for PA 18!!!! nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #15
I'm not sure. I'm 71, but I don't feel old. Arkansas Granny Mar 2018 #16
I still remember the day I walked by a mirror and screamed dhol82 Mar 2018 #33
Lol. I understand. Arkansas Granny Mar 2018 #36
I did that when I saw my new drivers lic pic.. mitch96 Mar 2018 #65
Haha. Yeah, just don't look in the mirror! KPN Mar 2018 #44
I think old age has more to do with health and physical deterioration than with years... kentuck Mar 2018 #17
Agree. And there's a lot we as individuals KPN Mar 2018 #45
And don't smoke. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #80
Definitely. KPN Mar 2018 #81
So true. PoindexterOglethorpe Mar 2018 #79
I am in my early 70s. I feel healthier and more fit than when I was in my 50s. Smarter, too. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #18
My mom too! She had back problems until mid-fifties and now works part-time at 75 going strong! flygal Mar 2018 #20
Ditto but a few years younger. Like your KPN Mar 2018 #46
I completed a 5K fun run on Sunday! Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #48
Cool. Hope I'm doing as well as you in 5 years. KPN Mar 2018 #53
You are absolutely right. And I bet you WILL be surfing at 75! Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #56
Good to know. Thx. Stay young! KPN Mar 2018 #64
Why? Longevity has not increased for most people. raging moderate Mar 2018 #19
89 mia Mar 2018 #21
How old is your mom now? nt LAS14 Mar 2018 #23
She is 94! mia Mar 2018 #28
She has a sweet and intelligent face. yardwork Mar 2018 #38
Awesome. KPN Mar 2018 #47
same thoughts here - nutsnberries Mar 2018 #61
and.... she absolutely detests tRump! nt nutsnberries Mar 2018 #62
I think old age begins around 70. llmart Mar 2018 #24
Of COURSE we have limitations that come on as the years go by. Stinky The Clown Mar 2018 #52
Physically or mentally? GP6971 Mar 2018 #27
Old is not an age, it's a condition. defacto7 Mar 2018 #29
I hope not! MuseRider Mar 2018 #32
Sometimes I'm too blunt and cynical. defacto7 Mar 2018 #63
To be real honest MuseRider Mar 2018 #30
it's arithmetic Hermit-The-Prog Mar 2018 #41
I'm not sure how to answer that question The Genealogist Mar 2018 #49
I'm 73. I asked for the senior discount kskiska Mar 2018 #50
I'm dusting off a classic-- slumcamper Mar 2018 #54
Johnny Carson once said calguy Mar 2018 #55
It was 30. nt dflprincess Mar 2018 #57
Thirty! Haha. But I've personally revised that. KPN Mar 2018 #67
When my Mom's older sister turned 85, Mom gave her a card with two old ladies on the front and one dflprincess Mar 2018 #58
When everything starts to hurt Blaukraut Mar 2018 #59
I'm just wise. Lint Head Mar 2018 #60
Quiet, or they'll raise the social security retirement benefits age to 75! FarCenter Mar 2018 #68
Uh oh. I'm going to have to break the bad news to my husband. He's 71. Vinca Mar 2018 #70
old age begins when you start feeling old... beachbum bob Mar 2018 #71
My standard line that I've used for years is...You ain't old until you're dead. Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #72
30. rownesheck Mar 2018 #74
I turned 60 on March 11th and fell and hurt my hip on the 12th. AJT Mar 2018 #77
Some days, it felt like it started at 15, but for the most part, I'd say 75... Frustratedlady Mar 2018 #82
58 Denis 11 Mar 2018 #83
For me, some time between 72 and 80 The_jackalope Mar 2018 #84
When you start feeling old. nt zanana1 Mar 2018 #85
The first time something hurts CanonRay Mar 2018 #86

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Retirement isn't old age. It's time to start a new life.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:03 PM
Mar 2018

For those who don't like their old working lives too much to move on from, of course.

Catch up, TBA. Longer lifespans created new realities some time ago.



TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
42. Policy is that once an employee hits federal retirement age, they must resign.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:36 PM
Mar 2018

My one boss, who was wealthy and had a foundation, ran charities, traveled the world, planned for a busy retirement.

He had a great family and were very close, and he was fit.

He died two months after his retirement dinner of a sudden heart attack.

TheBlackAdder

(28,209 posts)
73. A lot.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 09:22 AM
Mar 2018

Most seem to work 6-7 days a week and even gets calls on vacation, including me. Checking cell phone emails constantly.

There is a rule that one two-week vacation a year, the employee must be completely cut away from work, but that is only for sensitive positions.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
75. I guess I would ask you personally is it worth it?
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 10:29 AM
Mar 2018

I retired earlier than I probably should have financially. The stress I was feeling in my job was no longer motivational and was beginning to impact my performance -- so I pulled the plug after calculating that my wife and I would be okay. While I do have some stress now in that I worry about not being able to make the home upgrades/remodels I'd like to without incurring debt that I want to avoid, the stress is more manageable, I have a heck of a lot more time to do things I like doing which helps to alleviate. My health is very good. I wonder whether that would be true had a worked a few more years.

Anyway, take care of yourself. Life is already too short. All the best.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
69. I thought forced retirement was illegal and assumed
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:04 AM
Mar 2018

you meant forced by life circumstances like illnesses.

Btw, more dying within 5 years than not is a ridiculous number, however it came about, presuming your people aren't being force-retired in their 70s. Assuming it's bizarrely true, thoug, and that retirees have decent access to modern medical care, I don't believe it would be a sustainable pattern.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
76. If the policy is that once they hit federal retirement age they must resign,
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 10:33 AM
Mar 2018

that's hardly forced retirement.

If everyone is in that field or company is dying shortly after retirement, you'd think the 30 year olds would notice and leave for a less insane job.

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
3. You can really tell the difference when you look at old photographs
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:00 PM
Mar 2018

Part of it is the clothing, but it goes far beyond that. People looked much older than people of the same age do today.

gabeana

(3,166 posts)
5. I know watching re-runs of all in the family
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:03 PM
Mar 2018

i'm the the same age Archie and edith in the early years of the show no way do I look as old as them

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
78. Yes. It was one of the things that stood out to me
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 10:35 AM
Mar 2018

back when I was reading old Life magazines. In the 1930s and '40s people even as old as 40 looked about 20 years older than people do today at those ages.

dhol82

(9,353 posts)
31. For my 70th birthday I got a class card at my local circus place
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:19 PM
Mar 2018

Took up flying trapeze. Having a blast and have finally gotten good at my layout catch.
Added in trampoline about four months ago. Just started doing a back drop to a cradle.
I might be old but I have not stopped living yet.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
14. I'll let the employers guide us on this.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:18 PM
Mar 2018

Once you hit 55, good luck starting a new job.

Social Security starts at 62.

As far as I know, once you hit the pasture - you're old in this world.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
43. Only if working is what makes life rewarding.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:39 PM
Mar 2018

There are so many other rewarding things to do with one's life if they can afford to stop working -- and afford is relative. Outside of the workplace and as long as we are healthy, there are no real limits beside those we place on ourselves.

Arkansas Granny

(31,518 posts)
16. I'm not sure. I'm 71, but I don't feel old.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:30 PM
Mar 2018

However, sometimes I see myself in the mirror and wonder how that old lady got in my house. 😲

mitch96

(13,912 posts)
65. I did that when I saw my new drivers lic pic..
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 11:21 PM
Mar 2018

Who the hell is that old man??
For every old person, there is a young person inside of them saying..
What the hell happened?
m

kentuck

(111,103 posts)
17. I think old age has more to do with health and physical deterioration than with years...
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:34 PM
Mar 2018

Somewhere there is a change in your mind.

KPN

(15,646 posts)
45. Agree. And there's a lot we as individuals
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:44 PM
Mar 2018

can do to maintain our health and physical ability. One is to not stop moving while making sure not to overdo it -- know thy limits. Another is diet. Another is have fun, do what you like doing. And keep growing -- the list goes on and on.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,862 posts)
79. So true.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 10:39 AM
Mar 2018

I'm 69, and attending class reunions is incredibly enlightening. Not only have too many classmates already died, but far too many are either shuffling around because they're in poor health, or didn't come because of health issues.

Oh, and it's incredibly easy to tell which ones are smokers, those of the smokers who are still alive that is, because they look at least 10 years older than their age, and 20 or more older than the ones blessed with good genetics (and didn't smoke) who look 10 years younger than their age.

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
18. I am in my early 70s. I feel healthier and more fit than when I was in my 50s. Smarter, too.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:34 PM
Mar 2018

The last thing I feel is "old" or "elderly".

That said, it can also be a state of mind. I know a sadly large number of people decades younger who act (and in some cases, LOOK) older than me.

flygal

(3,231 posts)
20. My mom too! She had back problems until mid-fifties and now works part-time at 75 going strong!
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:39 PM
Mar 2018

She has lots of friends she's made through her job she got 7 years ago.

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
48. I completed a 5K fun run on Sunday!
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:48 PM
Mar 2018

I wear a Fitbit and normally get just north of 10K steps a day, even as I still work full time.

"Settin' on y'azz'll kill ya." LOL

KPN

(15,646 posts)
53. Cool. Hope I'm doing as well as you in 5 years.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:56 PM
Mar 2018

67 now and hope to be still surfing here on the Oregon Coast at 75 or longer. My motto: just keep doing it, but don't overdo it.

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
56. You are absolutely right. And I bet you WILL be surfing at 75!
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 10:00 PM
Mar 2018

My brother is your age. He lives in San Diego area. Surfs several times a week. Runs or bike rides daily. He's always been a pain in the ass fitness nut, but it paid off cuz he's still in great shape.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
19. Why? Longevity has not increased for most people.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:38 PM
Mar 2018

In fact, the average age at death even went down a little for rural working class women, not too long ago. People with a lot of money are living longer. Those in the general population are not.

mia

(8,361 posts)
21. 89
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:41 PM
Mar 2018

It's the age that my parents were when I first thought of them as elderly. Up until then they were experiencing their worlds as under their control. After then, my siblings and I started to take over the day-to-day hardships of their lives. Our father passed away 2 years ago. He was a model of a strong work ethic for all of our extended family. Our mother is still alive and enjoys watching laughing and dancing baby videos, and the latest news, however frail she is now. She's a loving inspiration to me. As the oldest of 10 children, I am 71 and don't consider myself elderly yet.

nutsnberries

(1,772 posts)
61. same thoughts here -
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 10:30 PM
Mar 2018

my father passed away recently at age 94. my mom is doing well at age 93. They were robust through their 80s with their age seeming to catch up with them once they crossed into their 90s.
Strong work ethic, stayed involved with the world around them, etc. Mom still insists on doing the crossword, jumble, and sudoku in the daily paper although she's starting to tell me that there is too much modern stuff in the crossword puzzle that she can't keep up with anymore.

llmart

(15,540 posts)
24. I think old age begins around 70.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 08:59 PM
Mar 2018

I am 69 and I know most people who know me think I don't look or act my age, but I know I have limitations now that I didn't have at 50 or 60. Things just start to wear out. I actually think we do a disservice if we try to pretend we are still as spry and active as younger people. We have been conditioned by advertisements to believe we're going to be sky diving or whatever well into our 80's and the media will pick the one in a million persons who do something out of the ordinary for their age group to focus on for a human interest story. But in my experience, in my senior community, most of us are dealing with at least one health issue that is not going to allow us to sky dive or play tennis or run marathons.

I am not saying we should be sitting in a chair and knitting at 70. I just think that we set ourselves up for depression and disappointment if we think we're going to be "the one" who never slows down. As a woman, my group of female friends are mostly college educated and we talk openly about the aging process, but not in a Debbie Downer sort of way and certainly not in a fictional way either. We think it's important to know that we are all meeting some sort of limitation.

I have been physically active my entire adult life and weighed about the same my entire adult life. That certainly has its plus side but on the other hand, being physically active has taken a toll on my knees and feet. I'm nowhere near having knee replacement but I have to be very careful about how much I do now.

I also disagree that the lifespan has increased dramatically, unless you are comparing it to the 1800's.

Stinky The Clown

(67,808 posts)
52. Of COURSE we have limitations that come on as the years go by.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:54 PM
Mar 2018

My knees are my worst issue, no matter what I do by way of exercise. I can run but I can't kneel very well and getting up from kneeling is more difficult.

My eyes are far worse than they were when I was younger. I am continuing to pray they get bad enough for cataract surgery. They are getting there, but not fast enough for me.

I had arthritic-like stiffness in my shoulders when i was younger. Exercise and - per my doc's advice - turmeric supplements and glucosamine tabs helped enormously. That stiffness is almost completely gone.

So ya win some and ya lose some. But we're smart if we fight the limitations until we no longer can and then compensate.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
29. Old is not an age, it's a condition.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:10 PM
Mar 2018

DNA has a lot to say about the condition. We all have triggers which accelerate the aging process and there's not much besides living a healthy life that can change it. For some the trigger is 60 for others 80 or more. Family history can give a clue.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
32. I hope not!
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:19 PM
Mar 2018

At 64 I am about the oldest any member of my family has ever been! A couple more years and there will only be 2 that have lived longer.

ON EDIT I know you are right, it just makes me nervous!

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
63. Sometimes I'm too blunt and cynical.
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 10:39 PM
Mar 2018

It's not the whole story. We are part of our ancestral condition but people break the mould all the time.We can't know whether our potential has been reached. We can push the limits pretty far if we live well, eat right and exercise and just expect a good life. We can be part of the positive change in our ancestral line.

MuseRider

(34,111 posts)
30. To be real honest
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:17 PM
Mar 2018

I think this is pretty spot on.

My husband is 70. He does not seem elderly at all but he does have less energy and strength, he thinks a little slower than before and I have to use a tracker when he is allowed to drive (he has a seizure disorder and we are now on 6 months where I have to do the driving because he had a seizure again and it has affected his memory a lot). I can see it beginning to really take some toll on him. I don't consider him old but it does make sense to me that 70 would be the correct age at this point.

I am 64, not 65 until December but I sure do feel it. I get sicker than I used to when I do get sick. I am losing some strength, partly because I have a very bad hip that needs replacing. I do run a farm with 5 horses that I take care of, the work is daily and heavy and I can still do it but I do feel the age creeping in. Slowly and not without me fighting it, but it does happen.

It may be the start of old age because we do wear out at some point but we do not have to feel old mentally and that is the key to a lot of it.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,355 posts)
41. it's arithmetic
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:36 PM
Mar 2018

Life expectancy in the U.S.:

male 76.9

female 81.6

Divide by 3, for young, middle-age, old

male: young = 0 - 25.6, middle = 25.6 - 51.3, old = 51.3 - compost

female: young = 0 - 27.2, middle = 27.2 - 54.4, old = 54.4 - compost

You're old when the chart says 2/3 is behind you. I'm old. I'm not compost, yet.

The Genealogist

(4,723 posts)
49. I'm not sure how to answer that question
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:51 PM
Mar 2018

I look at my grandparents and have no idea what is in store for me.

My paternal grandfather lived to be 88. At age 81, the man built a canoe. From scratch. And took it on a week long trip to an isolated island in Canada with the family. He developed dementia, and once RAN off during a delusion he was having. His wife, my grandmother, had a lot of health problems and seemed to be elderly as long as I knew her. She was 62 when I was born, and passed away at age 76.

My maternal grandfather died at age 63 of a "widow maker" heart attack, and had several health problems. Pictures of him from about age 45 on he looks very old. But his wife lived to 89, worked into her early 80s, and had no major health problems til her mid-80s.

I'm 44. Some days I feel as frisky as I did when I was half this age. Some days I feel way older.

kskiska

(27,045 posts)
50. I'm 73. I asked for the senior discount
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:52 PM
Mar 2018

at my local Publix on Wednesday as usual, and the cashier, who wasn't young, told me I had to be over 60 to get the discount.

slumcamper

(1,606 posts)
54. I'm dusting off a classic--
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:56 PM
Mar 2018

Berger & Luckman's "The Social Construction of Reality."

Maybe I can offer a reasoned response to this question before I die....but right now, just pulling a figure outta my ass, I'd offer 70.

Of course, that number is existentially grounded and exceedingly static.

BTW....what year is this? How many days until November 2020?

calguy

(5,315 posts)
55. Johnny Carson once said
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 09:59 PM
Mar 2018

"Old" is ten years older than your current age.I remember back in my hippie days we used to say, " Don't trust anyone over forty". Or was it thirty? Can anyone refresh my memory?

dflprincess

(28,079 posts)
58. When my Mom's older sister turned 85, Mom gave her a card with two old ladies on the front and one
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 10:04 PM
Mar 2018

was saying "I don't know, 90, 95 - maybe 100."

And the inside message read "As we get older so does our idea of what's old."

Mom is gone now, but my aunt is about to turn 96, she says she's thinking 100 sounds old.

Blaukraut

(5,693 posts)
59. When everything starts to hurt
Tue Mar 13, 2018, 10:06 PM
Mar 2018

because at that point, your mind will get a wake up call that you are no longer middle aged, never mind young-ish.

Vinca

(50,278 posts)
70. Uh oh. I'm going to have to break the bad news to my husband. He's 71.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 07:43 AM
Mar 2018

Lucky he's married to a child bride (69).

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
74. 30.
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 10:03 AM
Mar 2018

It's all worry about losing your job, paying the bills, not living up to the expectations you had of yourself as a kid. Life is over at that point.

Frustratedlady

(16,254 posts)
82. Some days, it felt like it started at 15, but for the most part, I'd say 75...
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:00 AM
Mar 2018

I didn't start having health problems until then...that's what slowed me down.

Old age is hard work and 24/7 if you're lucky.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
84. For me, some time between 72 and 80
Wed Mar 14, 2018, 11:12 AM
Mar 2018

i'm 67, just embarking on my 6th long term relationship, and I won't even consider the word "old" for at least the next 5 years.

My mother just died at age 93. while my father is still alive at the same age. From watching them, I'd say I began to consider them old when they passed 80.

On edit: IMO there is a category between middle-aged and old. It's called "mature". Once the mid-life crisis is over, and most of life's big mistakes have been made, there is a period of about two decades that can glow with contentment and wisdom.

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