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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWhat age do you think old age begins
found this article from last year, being considered old is being pushed back further
old age for men begins at 70 and for women around 73
so our Dem Pol's who are in their 70's are in their young old age
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/what-age-is-considered-old-nowadays/
Note that by these definitions, "old" in the 1920s -- 55 -- is now considered "middle aged" today, and "very old" in the 1920s -- 65 -- is now considered merely "old" today.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)For those who don't like their old working lives too much to move on from, of course.
Catch up, TBA. Longer lifespans created new realities some time ago.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)play a role in that? I would think maybe so.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)My one boss, who was wealthy and had a foundation, ran charities, traveled the world, planned for a busy retirement.
He had a great family and were very close, and he was fit.
He died two months after his retirement dinner of a sudden heart attack.
KPN
(15,646 posts)work stress played or plays in what you've seen?
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)Most seem to work 6-7 days a week and even gets calls on vacation, including me. Checking cell phone emails constantly.
There is a rule that one two-week vacation a year, the employee must be completely cut away from work, but that is only for sensitive positions.
KPN
(15,646 posts)I retired earlier than I probably should have financially. The stress I was feeling in my job was no longer motivational and was beginning to impact my performance -- so I pulled the plug after calculating that my wife and I would be okay. While I do have some stress now in that I worry about not being able to make the home upgrades/remodels I'd like to without incurring debt that I want to avoid, the stress is more manageable, I have a heck of a lot more time to do things I like doing which helps to alleviate. My health is very good. I wonder whether that would be true had a worked a few more years.
Anyway, take care of yourself. Life is already too short. All the best.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)you meant forced by life circumstances like illnesses.
Btw, more dying within 5 years than not is a ridiculous number, however it came about, presuming your people aren't being force-retired in their 70s. Assuming it's bizarrely true, thoug, and that retirees have decent access to modern medical care, I don't believe it would be a sustainable pattern.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)that's hardly forced retirement.
If everyone is in that field or company is dying shortly after retirement, you'd think the 30 year olds would notice and leave for a less insane job.
Skittles
(153,169 posts)Control-Z
(15,682 posts)But applied the same which makes me downright almost young. Lol
ismnotwasm
(41,989 posts)DavidDvorkin
(19,479 posts)Part of it is the clothing, but it goes far beyond that. People looked much older than people of the same age do today.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)i'm the the same age Archie and edith in the early years of the show no way do I look as old as them
happynewyear
(1,724 posts)I remember that episode. She seemed much older than that to me!
gabeana
(3,166 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)back when I was reading old Life magazines. In the 1930s and '40s people even as old as 40 looked about 20 years older than people do today at those ages.
IluvPitties
(3,181 posts)gabeana
(3,166 posts)suggest when old age begins
Freedomofspeech
(4,226 posts)Going to be 70 in a few months. I really do not feel it.
gabeana
(3,166 posts)50 years was old age, so 70 isn't old today
dhol82
(9,353 posts)Took up flying trapeze. Having a blast and have finally gotten good at my layout catch.
Added in trampoline about four months ago. Just started doing a back drop to a cradle.
I might be old but I have not stopped living yet.
Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)dhol82
(9,353 posts)I will keep going as long as the body does not give out.
Freedomofspeech
(4,226 posts)marylandblue
(12,344 posts)Stallion
(6,476 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)BigmanPigman
(51,611 posts)This video is pretty good in describing how you feel.
oasis
(49,389 posts)he's in his prime.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Once you hit 55, good luck starting a new job.
Social Security starts at 62.
As far as I know, once you hit the pasture - you're old in this world.
TheBlackAdder
(28,209 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)There are so many other rewarding things to do with one's life if they can afford to stop working -- and afford is relative. Outside of the workplace and as long as we are healthy, there are no real limits beside those we place on ourselves.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)However, sometimes I see myself in the mirror and wonder how that old lady got in my house. 😲
dhol82
(9,353 posts)I looked just like my mother!
Arkansas Granny
(31,518 posts)mitch96
(13,912 posts)Who the hell is that old man??
For every old person, there is a young person inside of them saying..
What the hell happened?
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KPN
(15,646 posts)kentuck
(111,103 posts)Somewhere there is a change in your mind.
KPN
(15,646 posts)can do to maintain our health and physical ability. One is to not stop moving while making sure not to overdo it -- know thy limits. Another is diet. Another is have fun, do what you like doing. And keep growing -- the list goes on and on.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)Hopefully never have started, but if you do smoke, quit.
KPN
(15,646 posts)PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,862 posts)I'm 69, and attending class reunions is incredibly enlightening. Not only have too many classmates already died, but far too many are either shuffling around because they're in poor health, or didn't come because of health issues.
Oh, and it's incredibly easy to tell which ones are smokers, those of the smokers who are still alive that is, because they look at least 10 years older than their age, and 20 or more older than the ones blessed with good genetics (and didn't smoke) who look 10 years younger than their age.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)The last thing I feel is "old" or "elderly".
That said, it can also be a state of mind. I know a sadly large number of people decades younger who act (and in some cases, LOOK) older than me.
flygal
(3,231 posts)She has lots of friends she's made through her job she got 7 years ago.
KPN
(15,646 posts)spirit!
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)I wear a Fitbit and normally get just north of 10K steps a day, even as I still work full time.
"Settin' on y'azz'll kill ya." LOL
KPN
(15,646 posts)67 now and hope to be still surfing here on the Oregon Coast at 75 or longer. My motto: just keep doing it, but don't overdo it.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)My brother is your age. He lives in San Diego area. Surfs several times a week. Runs or bike rides daily. He's always been a pain in the ass fitness nut, but it paid off cuz he's still in great shape.
KPN
(15,646 posts)raging moderate
(4,305 posts)In fact, the average age at death even went down a little for rural working class women, not too long ago. People with a lot of money are living longer. Those in the general population are not.
It's the age that my parents were when I first thought of them as elderly. Up until then they were experiencing their worlds as under their control. After then, my siblings and I started to take over the day-to-day hardships of their lives. Our father passed away 2 years ago. He was a model of a strong work ethic for all of our extended family. Our mother is still alive and enjoys watching laughing and dancing baby videos, and the latest news, however frail she is now. She's a loving inspiration to me. As the oldest of 10 children, I am 71 and don't consider myself elderly yet.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)Here she is as a baby in Baltimore in 1924.
yardwork
(61,650 posts)nutsnberries
(1,772 posts)my father passed away recently at age 94. my mom is doing well at age 93. They were robust through their 80s with their age seeming to catch up with them once they crossed into their 90s.
Strong work ethic, stayed involved with the world around them, etc. Mom still insists on doing the crossword, jumble, and sudoku in the daily paper although she's starting to tell me that there is too much modern stuff in the crossword puzzle that she can't keep up with anymore.
nutsnberries
(1,772 posts).
llmart
(15,540 posts)I am 69 and I know most people who know me think I don't look or act my age, but I know I have limitations now that I didn't have at 50 or 60. Things just start to wear out. I actually think we do a disservice if we try to pretend we are still as spry and active as younger people. We have been conditioned by advertisements to believe we're going to be sky diving or whatever well into our 80's and the media will pick the one in a million persons who do something out of the ordinary for their age group to focus on for a human interest story. But in my experience, in my senior community, most of us are dealing with at least one health issue that is not going to allow us to sky dive or play tennis or run marathons.
I am not saying we should be sitting in a chair and knitting at 70. I just think that we set ourselves up for depression and disappointment if we think we're going to be "the one" who never slows down. As a woman, my group of female friends are mostly college educated and we talk openly about the aging process, but not in a Debbie Downer sort of way and certainly not in a fictional way either. We think it's important to know that we are all meeting some sort of limitation.
I have been physically active my entire adult life and weighed about the same my entire adult life. That certainly has its plus side but on the other hand, being physically active has taken a toll on my knees and feet. I'm nowhere near having knee replacement but I have to be very careful about how much I do now.
I also disagree that the lifespan has increased dramatically, unless you are comparing it to the 1800's.
Stinky The Clown
(67,808 posts)My knees are my worst issue, no matter what I do by way of exercise. I can run but I can't kneel very well and getting up from kneeling is more difficult.
My eyes are far worse than they were when I was younger. I am continuing to pray they get bad enough for cataract surgery. They are getting there, but not fast enough for me.
I had arthritic-like stiffness in my shoulders when i was younger. Exercise and - per my doc's advice - turmeric supplements and glucosamine tabs helped enormously. That stiffness is almost completely gone.
So ya win some and ya lose some. But we're smart if we fight the limitations until we no longer can and then compensate.
GP6971
(31,168 posts)Physically between 70 - 75. Mentally...never.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)DNA has a lot to say about the condition. We all have triggers which accelerate the aging process and there's not much besides living a healthy life that can change it. For some the trigger is 60 for others 80 or more. Family history can give a clue.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)At 64 I am about the oldest any member of my family has ever been! A couple more years and there will only be 2 that have lived longer.
ON EDIT I know you are right, it just makes me nervous!
defacto7
(13,485 posts)It's not the whole story. We are part of our ancestral condition but people break the mould all the time.We can't know whether our potential has been reached. We can push the limits pretty far if we live well, eat right and exercise and just expect a good life. We can be part of the positive change in our ancestral line.
MuseRider
(34,111 posts)I think this is pretty spot on.
My husband is 70. He does not seem elderly at all but he does have less energy and strength, he thinks a little slower than before and I have to use a tracker when he is allowed to drive (he has a seizure disorder and we are now on 6 months where I have to do the driving because he had a seizure again and it has affected his memory a lot). I can see it beginning to really take some toll on him. I don't consider him old but it does make sense to me that 70 would be the correct age at this point.
I am 64, not 65 until December but I sure do feel it. I get sicker than I used to when I do get sick. I am losing some strength, partly because I have a very bad hip that needs replacing. I do run a farm with 5 horses that I take care of, the work is daily and heavy and I can still do it but I do feel the age creeping in. Slowly and not without me fighting it, but it does happen.
It may be the start of old age because we do wear out at some point but we do not have to feel old mentally and that is the key to a lot of it.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,355 posts)Life expectancy in the U.S.:
male 76.9
female 81.6
Divide by 3, for young, middle-age, old
male: young = 0 - 25.6, middle = 25.6 - 51.3, old = 51.3 - compost
female: young = 0 - 27.2, middle = 27.2 - 54.4, old = 54.4 - compost
You're old when the chart says 2/3 is behind you. I'm old. I'm not compost, yet.
The Genealogist
(4,723 posts)I look at my grandparents and have no idea what is in store for me.
My paternal grandfather lived to be 88. At age 81, the man built a canoe. From scratch. And took it on a week long trip to an isolated island in Canada with the family. He developed dementia, and once RAN off during a delusion he was having. His wife, my grandmother, had a lot of health problems and seemed to be elderly as long as I knew her. She was 62 when I was born, and passed away at age 76.
My maternal grandfather died at age 63 of a "widow maker" heart attack, and had several health problems. Pictures of him from about age 45 on he looks very old. But his wife lived to 89, worked into her early 80s, and had no major health problems til her mid-80s.
I'm 44. Some days I feel as frisky as I did when I was half this age. Some days I feel way older.
kskiska
(27,045 posts)at my local Publix on Wednesday as usual, and the cashier, who wasn't young, told me I had to be over 60 to get the discount.
slumcamper
(1,606 posts)Berger & Luckman's "The Social Construction of Reality."
Maybe I can offer a reasoned response to this question before I die....but right now, just pulling a figure outta my ass, I'd offer 70.
Of course, that number is existentially grounded and exceedingly static.
BTW....what year is this? How many days until November 2020?
calguy
(5,315 posts)"Old" is ten years older than your current age.I remember back in my hippie days we used to say, " Don't trust anyone over forty". Or was it thirty? Can anyone refresh my memory?
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)KPN
(15,646 posts)Now I don't trust anyone between 35 and 65.
dflprincess
(28,079 posts)was saying "I don't know, 90, 95 - maybe 100."
And the inside message read "As we get older so does our idea of what's old."
Mom is gone now, but my aunt is about to turn 96, she says she's thinking 100 sounds old.
Blaukraut
(5,693 posts)because at that point, your mind will get a wake up call that you are no longer middle aged, never mind young-ish.
Lint Head
(15,064 posts)FarCenter
(19,429 posts)Vinca
(50,278 posts)Lucky he's married to a child bride (69).
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)Kirk Lover
(3,608 posts)rownesheck
(2,343 posts)It's all worry about losing your job, paying the bills, not living up to the expectations you had of yourself as a kid. Life is over at that point.
AJT
(5,240 posts)Old has begun.....
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)I didn't start having health problems until then...that's what slowed me down.
Old age is hard work and 24/7 if you're lucky.
Speaking from my experience.
The_jackalope
(1,660 posts)i'm 67, just embarking on my 6th long term relationship, and I won't even consider the word "old" for at least the next 5 years.
My mother just died at age 93. while my father is still alive at the same age. From watching them, I'd say I began to consider them old when they passed 80.
On edit: IMO there is a category between middle-aged and old. It's called "mature". Once the mid-life crisis is over, and most of life's big mistakes have been made, there is a period of about two decades that can glow with contentment and wisdom.
zanana1
(6,122 posts)CanonRay
(14,104 posts)and you have no recollection of any injury.