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stockholmer

(3,751 posts)
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 08:21 AM Jul 2012

Tom Friedman's status among American elites is the key for understanding the US imperial decline

http://www.salon.com/2012/07/25/the_value_of_tom_friedman/

In The New York Times today, Tom Friedman argues that the only thing that could save Syria is if that country is lucky enough to have the U.S. do to it what the U.S. did to Iraq, and in the process, says this:

And, for me, the lesson of Iraq is quite simple: You can’t go from Saddam to Switzerland without getting stuck in Hobbes — a war of all against all — unless you have a well-armed external midwife, whom everyone on the ground both fears and trusts to manage the transition. In Iraq, that was America.


Just on the level of basic cogency, this makes absolutely no sense. Friedman says that a country will be “stuck in Hobbes — a war of all against all — unless” it has America there. But Iraq did have America there, and — as Friedman himself points out just a few paragraphs later — it got “stuck in Hobbes,” precisely because America was there (“Because of both U.S. incompetence and the nature of Iraq, this U.S. intervention triggered a civil war in which all the parties in Iraq — Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds — tested the new balance of power, inflicting enormous casualties on each other and leading, tragically, to ethnic cleansing that rearranged the country into more homogeneous blocks of Sunnis, Shiites and Kurds”). He literally negates his own principal claim — a country that overthrows its dictator can only avoid Hobbes if it has a U.S.-like force occupying and controlling it — in the very same column in which he advances it.

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Friedman recently visited Australia and New Zealand to promote his latest book and, needless to say, generously gifted the citizens of those nations with his wisdom and insights about their countries. One New Zealand journalist reacted, not very gratefully, here. Friedman was interviewed for almost an hour by one of that country’s best known radio talk show hosts, Kim Hill, and her relentlessly adversarial, critical, deeply informed and at times subtly contemptuous questioning — which can be heard on the player below or downloaded here — stands in stark contrast to how he is routinely treated by the worshipful American media:

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Here’s “The sociopathy of Thomas L. Friedman: A compendium”; it’s far from comprehensive, though it is quite illustrative. Friedman expert Matt Taibbi - this remains the all-time Supreme Gold Standard for eviscerating not only Tom Friedman, but anyone - pronounces today’s column “the single most incoherent thing he has ever written.”

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Tom Friedman's status among American elites is the key for understanding the US imperial decline (Original Post) stockholmer Jul 2012 OP
I didn't really know much about Friedman when I bought his book davidpdx Jul 2012 #1
If by that you mean the fact he's taken seriously by the "elites" . . . hatrack Jul 2012 #2

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
1. I didn't really know much about Friedman when I bought his book
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:02 AM
Jul 2012

The World is Flat, but I strongly disagree with him on foreign policy (I read some of the stuff on Wikipedia). As for economics, I'm not finished with the book yet, so I'll have to wait until then to render a verdict.

hatrack

(59,592 posts)
2. If by that you mean the fact he's taken seriously by the "elites" . . .
Sat Jul 28, 2012, 09:48 AM
Jul 2012
Definitely a symptom of decline.

Friedman - Cokie Roberts with facial hair.
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