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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAnyone Who Votes GOP Or Supports Trump Cannot Be Considered A Decent Person.
I cannot identify a single GOP policy that is nothing but self serving, selfish or downright evil NOT ONE. So anyone who calls themselves a Republican has no reason to think of themselves as a decent person. Sure they may help other people and they may have some charity in your heart. But you can be an absolute saint and on evil deed can erase all the other.
So anyone who votes Republican is enabling a white supremacist and misogynistic agenda. Punishing the poor, attacking the innocents and diminishing the vulnerable which is GOP policy cannot justify support even if you believe you are a good person. You might love your family and even be loving of your family pets. Yet you do them no favors by being a Republican.
Right now we are on a destructive path. If we can control either the House or the Senate in November we will only be in a holding pattern until 2020. Trump will not likely leave office unless something drastic happens. Then we would be facing a religious nut who hears voices from God no less.
dalton99a
(81,516 posts)And they deserve zero respect.
MFM008
(19,818 posts)Totally.
Barn Owl
(65 posts)I live in Michigan and half my family voted Trump! Those that did if the election were held today would again and the half that did not would probably vote for him also!
They all hate him but being union they only look at the bottom line and their bottom line is good as is my own.
I will vote the greater good but my family is only going to vote their financial bottom line. None of that has anything to do with anything other than the economy.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"but being union they only look at the bottom line..."
That's a rather broad and unsupported statement about union members.
Barn Owl
(65 posts)All union as I am. Older members broke and voted Reagan twice. Then straight Democrat again. Until Trump.
Then the older ones who voted Reagan voted Trump and many younger ones did also this time.
They agreed with Trump on many economic and immigration issues and still do.
They all to a person hate him but if the economy is surging and their personal situation is good they may hate him but will crawl over broken glass to vote for him.
This is why whom ever are nominee is they need to take into account pure economics as the one and only issue!
Everything else may play great on the east and west coast but when you get into the rust belt they do not give a shit about any of that only economics.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Guess who busted the unions? Reagan. And if they think Republicans are better on the economy, guess who they aren't? Democrats. There's no reason any Dem nominee with any lick of sense needs to pander to your family.
Barn Owl
(65 posts)Did not this time in mass, we lost Michigan also the same with, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin and damn near Minnesota as well!!
We can win every blue State with 100% of the vote and have 40 million more votes in the popular election and still loose our ass in the electoral college!!
These are facts we need to deal with and come up with a winning strategy! We got our asses handed to us this last election! Do we want to go two for two or recalibrate??
kcr
(15,317 posts)You claim they voted for Democrats but state your family look at their bottom line and voted Trump. I'm sorry to inform you, but that makes them Trump voters. I'm not one bit surprised to find out they also voted for Reagan. The fact they also sometimes voted for Dems isn't at all impressive.
Barn Owl
(65 posts)And you will deliver the rust belt again to those assholes!! Thank you for your understanding!!
kcr
(15,317 posts)Anyone who looks at their bottom line and thinks Trump is the answer isn't a Democrat or a Union supporter.
My family is all UAW! I am AFLCIO! Many of my union brothers and sisters also voted Trump. I was aghast but they sure as hell did! All for the same reasons.
The East and West Coast ideas do not play here! We can win both with overwhelming numbers and it still comes down to the electoral college and we loose if we can not win the states we lost this time but always carried in the past.
They system is what it is and we lost middle America this last election and all of government with it. We need to rethink our strategy for 2020.
kcr
(15,317 posts)I grew up in Flint. I think I know a thing or two about it.
kcr
(15,317 posts)Every year when I was a kid.
Barn Owl
(65 posts)I lived on Seymour a half mile down the road From the orchard!!
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Hard to think of what the GOP or Drumpf have ever done for unions besides trying to destroy them.
Barn Owl
(65 posts)The Democratic candidate or the message! Trump struck a cord with them and their went Michigan.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Barn Owl
(65 posts)This is what you people are not understanding!! Trump turned them and they agreed with many of his ideas.
Like I said East and left coast does not play here! We need to find a different message that will resonate nationwide not in just two main area's that we will win regardless but loose the country if we can not bring in the heartland.
BannonsLiver
(16,396 posts)Some people are not redeemable. Thats the harsh reality here. My sympathies for having to deal with that.