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Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 01:51 PM Mar 2018

Inside a school shooters mind: A plot to kill 50 or 60. If I get lucky maybe 150.'

Six days before he allegedly opened fire on an elementary school playground, the eighth-grader returned to his Instagram group chat to fixate, yet again, on his most intense interests: guns and bombs and the mass murder of children.

“My plan,” wrote Jesse Osborne, who had turned 14 three weeks earlier, “is shooting my dad getting his keys getting in his truck, driving to the elementary school 4?mins away, once there gear up, shoot out the bottom school class room windows, enter the building, shoot the first class which will be the 2d grade, grab teachers keys so I don’t have to hasle to get through any doors.”

He had been researching other school shooters for months and, determined to outdo them, learned exactly how many people they’d murdered: 13 at Columbine High; 26 at Sandy Hook Elementary; 32 at Virginia Tech.

On Valentine’s Day, at the same time police say another angry teen, Nikolas Cruz, slaughtered 17 people at a Parkland, Fla., high school with a semiautomatic AR-15, Jesse was sitting in a South Carolina courtroom, waiting to find out whether he would be tried as an adult for a 2016 rampage that left his father and a 6-year-old dead.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/inside-a-teen-school-shooters-mind-a-plot-to-kill-50-or-60-if-i-get-lucky-maybe-150/2018/03/03/68cc673c-1b27-11e8-ae5a-16e60e4605f3_story.html?utm_term=.c5349421649d

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Inside a school shooters mind: A plot to kill 50 or 60. If I get lucky maybe 150.' (Original Post) Blue_Tires Mar 2018 OP
we have to cure the belief that killing is an accomplishment Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #1
This is why I sort of agree with some arguments about the influence of culture. Willie Pep Mar 2018 #3
I have played these "violent video games" for 20+ years... Moostache Mar 2018 #8
Good effin' grief malaise Mar 2018 #2
"But then I realized there might be an SRO armed with a pistol somewhere in or near the building, so EffieBlack Mar 2018 #4
He specifically chose the elementary school B2G Mar 2018 #5
Then I stand corrected EffieBlack Mar 2018 #9
This MUST end... Moostache Mar 2018 #6
Disturbing Calculating Mar 2018 #7

Willie Pep

(841 posts)
3. This is why I sort of agree with some arguments about the influence of culture.
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:12 PM
Mar 2018

I do think that we have a culture that lionizes violence. Look at our movies and video games. I am not saying that violent films and video games directly cause people to go on killing sprees but in a country like the U.S. where people are unusually stressed out, pressured to measure up because the price of failure is total contempt from your fellow Americans, where social support is severely lacking, some people crack and seek violence as a way to "be somebody" because our media glorifies violence as heroic and powerful.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
8. I have played these "violent video games" for 20+ years...
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:31 PM
Mar 2018

I LOVE movies and film history and have built a viewing theater in my home complete with rumble seats to FEEL the bass kick in on explosions and chases...

Yet I have NEVER once contemplated the hows and whys and wheres of mass killings, EVER!

Sick people make sick choice...sick societies allow them unfettered, easy access to weapons and ammunition, PERIOD.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
4. "But then I realized there might be an SRO armed with a pistol somewhere in or near the building, so
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:18 PM
Mar 2018

I lost my nerve and changed my mind," ... said no shooter planning a school massacre with an AR-15 ever.

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
5. He specifically chose the elementary school
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:28 PM
Mar 2018

because he knew it had no armed security. It's right there in the article.

Moostache

(9,897 posts)
6. This MUST end...
Mon Mar 5, 2018, 02:29 PM
Mar 2018

The photo of that 6-year old boy who was killed by this monster haunts me the same way the photos of the Sandy Hook victims does...innocent, playing on a play ground at school and snuffed out by a vicious, unfeeling sociopath? I want every NRA-loving, gun-humping asshole to be haunted by these losses. I want an NRA membership to come with a mandatory classroom gun safety and control video along the same lines as the ones we make repeat driving violators view...they need to FEEL the ugliness of the weapons and ammunition and easy access to both inflicts on society.

There are simply too many guns, too little liability for owning guns and too little care taken to prevent the worst consequences of these factors.

Want a gun?
Fine, you need liability insurance to protect people and families in your vicinity from your weapon.

Want ammunition?
Fine, you need to purchase and store the ammunition in a bio-metric (retinal scan or fingerprint reader) safe for security for anything over 15 rounds. If you cannot afford the safe, then you cannot have the ammunition at your residence or in your possession. You would be required to purchase ammunition at registered gun clubs and target ranges ONLY. If you need more than 15 shots to hunt anything, then you suck at hunting and must be better trained before your hunting license can be renewed.

Want target practice?
Fine, you can shoot your allotted 15 rounds at home, but you cannot stockpile rounds. Spent casings must be returned for recycling and confirmed before you but more rounds...otherwise, to the gun club you must go...

Have children in your residence or on your tax returns?
Then no unsecured firearms are allowed in the residence as long as persons under the age of 21 are in the dwelling. Secured weapons must be stored in the bio-metric safe of the registered owner and chipped to report to the internet of any instances of unlawful access occurring or being allowed. The guns should also be equipped with palm readers that make it unable to "unlock" without the lawful owner's complicity.

Owning a gun may very well be a "right" that can never go away...but "rights" also carry responsibilities and liabilities. I would LOVE to own a Ferarri and constitutionally I have every right to do so....HOWEVER, there are elements of owning that vehicle - COST, SAFETY, ACCESS - that make it highly, highly unlikely I will every do so...

I see no problem with the AR-15, UZI, M-4 or AK-47 being available....but at such a high cost and tight control that it would make then unattainable (though still "legal&quot for 99% of the population.

Be honest gun-humpers...your pathetic "arsenal" of guns won't save you from the government if they decide to eliminate you. You are not standing up to tyranny. You are not using these exotic weapons 'hunting'. You are full of shit. You like guns because you like the way they make you feel powerful, full stop. That alone is reason to make it harder and harder and harder to own military-style weaponry.

Guns may always stay "legal", but that does not mean that ANYONE should be allowed near them and it does not mean ANY gun.

All guns can kill, even prop guns firing rubber projectiles...but the fact remains, it should not be harder to vote, drive, fish or join a country club than it is to purchase, own and operate a military-style assault rifle within 100 miles of a population greater than 5,000 people.

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