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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 08:36 AM Mar 2018

NYT First Breaking News of Friday: Trump sees Kushner/Ivanka as Liability - wants them to leave

The whole story is fascinating and points to a White House escalating in chaos because Porter is gone but this part is going to trigger a whole new level of finger pointing leaks in the play room that is now called the WH:



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/01/us/politics/trump-chaos-oval-office.html?utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=newsletter_axiosam&stream=top-stories

WASHINGTON — For 13 months in the Oval Office, and in an unorthodox business career before that, Donald J. Trump has thrived on chaos, using it as an organizing principle and even a management tool. Now the costs of that chaos are becoming starkly clear in the demoralized staff and policy disarray of a wayward White House.

The dysfunction was on vivid display on Thursday in the president’s introduction of tariffs on steel and aluminum imports. The previous day, Mr. Trump’s chief economic adviser, Gary D. Cohn, warned the chief of staff, John F. Kelly, that he might resign if the president went ahead with the plan, according to people briefed on the discussion. Mr. Cohn, a former Goldman Sachs president, had lobbied fiercely against the measures.

.....

Yet Mr. Trump is also frustrated with Mr. Kushner, whom he now views as a liability because of his legal entanglements, the investigations of the Kushner family’s real estate company and the publicity over having his security clearance downgraded, according to two people familiar with his views. In private conversations, the president vacillates between sounding regretful that Mr. Kushner is taking arrows and annoyed that he is another problem to deal with.

Privately, some aides have expressed frustration that Mr. Kushner and his wife, the president’s daughter Ivanka Trump, have remained at the White House, despite Mr. Trump at times saying they never should have come to the White House and should leave. Yet aides also noted that Mr. Trump has told the couple that they should keep serving in their roles, even as he has privately asked Mr. Kelly for his help in moving them out.

To some staff members, the chaos feels reminiscent of the earliest days of the Trump administration. Some argue Mr. Kelly should have carried out a larger staff shake-up when he came in. That has allowed several people to stagnate, particularly in policy roles, one adviser said.



Can't make it up, wouldn't believe it if I wasn't watching it in real time.

This is how Friday's now start, just wait for the tweets, leaks, and bombastic charges from the bombastic Scaramucci (who seems to be getting phone calls from the WH to launch new attacks on Kelly) for the next 18 hours.

So much winning I wonder how much the Dow will lose today? In three days its lost almost 1000 points.

Idiocy on public display for the whole world to see.
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NYT First Breaking News of Friday: Trump sees Kushner/Ivanka as Liability - wants them to leave (Original Post) grantcart Mar 2018 OP
I doubt that duforsure Mar 2018 #1
Poor kids, turned out into the mean streets. oasis Mar 2018 #2
This is known as an IMPLOSION malaise Mar 2018 #3
Oh, I thought that was sushi at a glance. 😂 OhNo-Really Mar 2018 #34
please heaven05 Mar 2018 #4
CandyCorn need eye candy, Sarah won't cut it OhNo-Really Mar 2018 #35
So it begins vercetti2021 Mar 2018 #5
NYMag: "President Trump May Be Secretly Undermining Jared and Ivanka, Too" Hortensis Mar 2018 #6
Putin's puppet views Kush as a liability b/c of legal issues, flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #7
of course he isn't NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #14
There was a fascinating article not fooled Mar 2018 #20
They will leave, in handcuffs Augiedog Mar 2018 #8
Jared leaving the White House? We'll never see peace in the Middle East. dalton99a Mar 2018 #9
lol grantcart Mar 2018 #24
I have to agree with Trump.... HipChick Mar 2018 #10
This is a goddamned soap opera! secondwind Mar 2018 #11
A soap opera inside an insane asylum. -eom poboy2 Mar 2018 #17
Combined with an alternate reality show... dchill Mar 2018 #18
With just a soupcon of collusion flibbitygiblets Mar 2018 #25
Congressional GOPers have gagged themselves! We only hear the muffled sounds of.. Eyeball_Kid Mar 2018 #12
It's what happens when grifting amateurs are in charge. sarge43 Mar 2018 #13
"......even as he has privately asked Mr. Kelly for his help in moving them out. " pangaia Mar 2018 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author Rainbow Droid Mar 2018 #16
He's too much of a coward to tell them CanonRay Mar 2018 #19
Not that I don't find this amusing but this clown is loyal to noone except himself. redstatebluegirl Mar 2018 #21
They've been holding him back, frankly. Orsino Mar 2018 #22
If we had an enraged toddler running a chef-oriented reality TV show... Orsino Mar 2018 #23
Gordon Ramsay isn't an American citizen, klook Mar 2018 #30
mr. reality show has to badmouth and undermine people before voting them off the island. unblock Mar 2018 #26
who the hell is the showrunner for this disaster? grantcart Mar 2018 #33
He wants Jared out & Ivanka in & doesn't know how to make that happen. CrispyQ Mar 2018 #27
That's why you don't hire family C_U_L8R Mar 2018 #28
So all he has to do is FIRE THEM. Oh right he doesn't do the actual firing, that wussbag outsources Kirk Lover Mar 2018 #29
Trump is now, was then, and always will be the highest liability. Caliman73 Mar 2018 #31
Over the last couple of months, I have been hearing this story about a woman and a snake Blindingly apparent Mar 2018 #32

duforsure

(11,885 posts)
1. I doubt that
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 09:10 AM
Mar 2018

He probably heard they were going to leave, so now he wants to act like its his idea. He does that a lot.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
4. please
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 09:43 AM
Mar 2018

'Little precious ' is not going anywhere. I think we all know this...now her husband can and hopefully will be thrown away like the bag of garbage he is.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. NYMag: "President Trump May Be Secretly Undermining Jared and Ivanka, Too"
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 09:50 AM
Mar 2018

I checked NYMag because that's the Trump/Kushner home town, and this and similar journals can be counted on to cover family doings. This article is channeling DC speculation, though.

President Trump May Be Secretly Undermining Jared and Ivanka, Too

...He has been asking others, “Why is John Kelly doing this?”

The answer might be more terrible than Kushner imagined. The New York Times reported on Thursday that President Trump himself asked Chief of Staff John Kelly to help push his daughter Ivanka and her husband out of the White House — though as with most political matters, it doesn’t seem like Trump really knows what he wants. In private conversations he’s said to veer between “sounding regretful that Mr. Kushner is taking arrows and annoyed that he is another problem to deal with.” In general, he’s sending mixed messages on whether he actually wants his daughter and son-in-law on his team:

While the idea that the president himself may be secretly plotting to oust his daughter and son-in-law from the White House is quite a juicy plot twist, it’s also one of Trump’s more astute staffing decisions. Not the part where he’s incapable of firing them himself, of course, but his recognition that Jared and Ivanka are massive liabilities who contribute very little to the success of his administration.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/03/trump-may-be-secretly-undermining-jared-and-ivanka-too.html

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
7. Putin's puppet views Kush as a liability b/c of legal issues,
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 09:53 AM
Mar 2018

but couldn't care less that he's a liability TO THE USA because he puts our country at risk by mixing personal business with US policy. Not to mention that he totally sucks at everything he does.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
14. of course he isn't
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:34 AM
Mar 2018

In Trump's view, he's Making American Great Again and anything that distracts from that is bad and not his fault.

not fooled

(5,801 posts)
20. There was a fascinating article
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:16 AM
Mar 2018

a while back by a former reporter at the NY Observer, which the tadpole bought. The guy laid out what a clueless disaster jared was at the paper, and how his incompetence, control freak behavior, and egotism destroyed a NY institution.

The signposts for this disaster were out there and lit up in blazing neon lights, a long time ago.



and, of course

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
12. Congressional GOPers have gagged themselves! We only hear the muffled sounds of..
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:31 AM
Mar 2018

"Oh, my God! We're fucked!"

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
15. "......even as he has privately asked Mr. Kelly for his help in moving them out. "
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 10:34 AM
Mar 2018

Too much the coward to do it himself, as always.

Bullies are always cowards...

Response to grantcart (Original post)

CanonRay

(14,104 posts)
19. He's too much of a coward to tell them
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:05 AM
Mar 2018

to their faces to leave. He'll have a lackey do that. This man disgusts me.

redstatebluegirl

(12,265 posts)
21. Not that I don't find this amusing but this clown is loyal to noone except himself.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:18 AM
Mar 2018

That should terrify all of us, once he is in a corner, alone, he will start a war for fun to deflect.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
22. They've been holding him back, frankly.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:21 AM
Mar 2018

Just you wait until Trump is finally free of all these people who keep him from reading PDBs and formulating policy. He will toilet-tweet his way to American greatness!

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
23. If we had an enraged toddler running a chef-oriented reality TV show...
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 11:23 AM
Mar 2018

...the toddler would evolve more coherent national policy.

klook

(12,157 posts)
30. Gordon Ramsay isn't an American citizen,
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 01:54 PM
Mar 2018

so he couldn't be president. He's less of an asshole than Trump, though, that's for sure. And at least somewhat competent, apparently.

unblock

(52,253 posts)
26. mr. reality show has to badmouth and undermine people before voting them off the island.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 01:25 PM
Mar 2018


mr. "i have a good brain" can't figure out how to fire people who aren't even collecting a salary.


CrispyQ

(36,478 posts)
27. He wants Jared out & Ivanka in & doesn't know how to make that happen.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 01:28 PM
Mar 2018

Thus, the one story to Kelly (I want them out) & the other to Jarvanka (I want you to stay). That's my opinion, anyway. With Hope Hicks out, he needs someone to hold his hand & his payoff to the porn star has pissed Melania off.

 

Kirk Lover

(3,608 posts)
29. So all he has to do is FIRE THEM. Oh right he doesn't do the actual firing, that wussbag outsources
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 01:34 PM
Mar 2018

that.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
31. Trump is now, was then, and always will be the highest liability.
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 02:01 PM
Mar 2018

An organization is only as good as its leadership. You cannot lead with chaos. It may have worked in Trump's shady real estate business and as a personality, but we are talking government, where real leadership is needed because real people get hurt.

Trump is the cause of all of this chaos and has no one to blame but himself.

32. Over the last couple of months, I have been hearing this story about a woman and a snake
Fri Mar 2, 2018, 03:56 PM
Mar 2018

Maybe someone should have told trump that story before he invited Jervanka to join him at the White House

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