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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 05:55 PM Feb 2018

Sen. Duckworth will be penalized for taking any maternity leave

Senator Tammy Duckworth will very soon be the first U.S. senator in history to give birth while in office.

She will also be the first senator that U.S. Senate rules will punish for giving birth. If she takes any maternity leave, she will be barred from voting or sponsoring any legislation. And even if she doesn't take leave, she'll likely be forced to miss voting times because her nursing infant will be barred from the Senate floor. Really.

Not only do the rules punish women in an institution with few women to begin with, they take away their ability to vote on legislation that impact women across the country. Imagine the raging debate on gun control right now--Sen. Duckworth's vote could mean the difference between finally strengthening background checks on gun purchases or not.

That's why Sen. Duckworth, who is due next month, is single-handedly trying to change Senate rules to allow new mothers in office to vote on legislation. If the rules don't change in time, Sen. Duckworth's vote will be taken away--in a time when we desperately need women's votes in Congress. Will you join senator Duckworth's call and demand the Senate fix its backward and anti-mother rules?


Petition at link:

https://act.weareultraviolet.org/sign/duckworth_maternity?akid=s588559.._ufzvD
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Sen. Duckworth will be penalized for taking any maternity leave (Original Post) ehrnst Feb 2018 OP
Our institutions are built on oppression. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2018 #1
This is horrible! Leighbythesea Feb 2018 #2
Done and shared to Facebook. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2018 #3
Signed and Delivered. Cha Feb 2018 #4
Hmmm, maybe I dreamt this, but GWC58 Feb 2018 #5
Women don't nurse at their desks at work. There is a nursing area at most work places. AJT Feb 2018 #6
And if she takes time off to pump on a schedule? ehrnst Feb 2018 #8
They aren't voting 24/7. Congress people come and go throughout the day. AJT Feb 2018 #12
When you need to pump, you need to pump. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #15
Once you empty your breasts, you can go many hours without pumping. rainin Feb 2018 #48
The thing is, that maternity leave is a different sort of "medical leave" ehrnst Feb 2018 #22
Consider that the same rules applied to seriously ill Senators karynnj Mar 2018 #79
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #30
As much as I would enjoy seeing Pence and a few others be discomfited by her nursing on the floor Lithos Feb 2018 #44
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #49
The idea that she would pump on the Senate floor or in a committee PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #36
Women working regular jobs (teacher, nurse, clerk, lawyer) manage to do it dflprincess Feb 2018 #54
Indeed EffieBlack Feb 2018 #55
Yeah, I don't get what the issue is. Hassin Bin Sober Feb 2018 #59
If every Senator has an office, was Gillibrand leaving her kids in Reid's office... moriah Mar 2018 #64
The Lindy Boggs Room EffieBlack Mar 2018 #65
LB Reading Room is closer to the House floor. Wrong wing. moriah Mar 2018 #66
Whoops - you're right. That popped into my mind and I forgot that's on the House side! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #68
Truthfully, if kid is quiet, I think she ought to be allowed to feed on the floor. moriah Mar 2018 #69
I hadn't thought of that, but that makes sense EffieBlack Mar 2018 #71
Glad I was able to make you laugh! moriah Mar 2018 #78
I'm sure she already has a hideaway. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #85
You got me... kag Mar 2018 #93
Our pastor has nursed during worship gratuitous Feb 2018 #13
Hear, here! n/t TwistOneUp Feb 2018 #37
Aging hippies and a Majority Republican Congress? whathehell Feb 2018 #53
Thank you. whathehell Feb 2018 #52
With Duckworth's mobility issues it's harder for her to do a Gillibrand nursing strategy. moriah Mar 2018 #61
A little hyperbolic onenote Feb 2018 #7
Not if you have been in a situation where your pumping was not accomodated. ehrnst Feb 2018 #9
She is not in that situation. marybourg Feb 2018 #20
However, there is the ban on authoring legislation. ehrnst Feb 2018 #25
What's the problem? marybourg Feb 2018 #31
There is no "bar" on authoring legislation if you're on leave. onenote Feb 2018 #58
No, there isnt EffieBlack Mar 2018 #62
Physical presence does seem a bit arcane. thesquanderer Feb 2018 #19
Bingo!!! 7962 Feb 2018 #21
Thats not it EffieBlack Mar 2018 #63
Interesting point, but compromise could be reached. thesquanderer Mar 2018 #75
They will never allow phone in votes EffieBlack Mar 2018 #83
Thanks, onenote. Sometimes facts can be so darned elleng Feb 2018 #28
A voice of reason. Thanks hueymahl Feb 2018 #39
This sounds blatantly illegal to me. lpbk2713 Feb 2018 #10
The Senate didn't even have restrooms for women when women were finally elected ehrnst Feb 2018 #17
Someone posted an explanation further up rpannier Feb 2018 #35
its ok to lose your legs for your country but you cant breastfeed???? samnsara Feb 2018 #11
Watch the republican menturn their backs on her marlakay Feb 2018 #14
So while it's inside her, it's precious ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #16
exactly bdamomma Mar 2018 #80
Considering that all Senators have to actually be present to vote... GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #18
I dont have a problem with her not being able to vote if on leave. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #23
Well, that might be misleading. If she takes leave, like McCain is doing.... Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #24
Well tr-dumpie didn't take any time off.... magicarpet Feb 2018 #26
This is not likely to be a problem EffieBlack Feb 2018 #27
It's the authoring of the legislation that's worrying me. ehrnst Feb 2018 #33
I don't understand what you're talking about EffieBlack Feb 2018 #40
Theres nothing to this at all. Action_Patrol Feb 2018 #45
Exactly! EffieBlack Feb 2018 #46
My thought as well. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #86
Watch for McConnell and the other traitors to concede nothing to her. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #29
Done. Thank you. It won't work, though, because republicans are in charge and they are evil scum. Squinch Feb 2018 #32
It appears, warmfeet Feb 2018 #34
No more donations from me for males! Fuck them williesgirl Feb 2018 #38
How very progressive of you. NT hueymahl Feb 2018 #41
Sorry, I was angry and venting. williesgirl Feb 2018 #51
Ive been there. hueymahl Feb 2018 #56
Why would she take a leave? former9thward Feb 2018 #42
Some actually do take "leave" but not as normally defined EffieBlack Feb 2018 #57
THAT IS B.S. onecent Feb 2018 #43
Her Repub predecessor was out for years w/massive stroke and I don't believe he was ever "on leave" Gidney N Cloyd Feb 2018 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author EffieBlack Feb 2018 #50
Do the same rules apply to male senators who take sick leave? Crunchy Frog Mar 2018 #60
Problem solved Gabi Hayes Mar 2018 #67
Thanks for the blood pressure rise.. mountain grammy Mar 2018 #70
exactly bdamomma Mar 2018 #81
K&R and thanks! nt tblue37 Mar 2018 #72
Is she being treated the same as Senator McCain? Generic Brad Mar 2018 #73
Exactly the same. onenote Mar 2018 #74
Yeah, cuz... kag Mar 2018 #94
This is no different than any other occupation EffieBlack Mar 2018 #96
It's the same because the rule is you have to vote in person and you have to present a bill onenote Mar 2018 #99
Meanwhile in Iceland, politicians can breastfeed while giving speeches mainer Mar 2018 #76
just shows you bdamomma Mar 2018 #77
You're being lied to and played EffieBlack Mar 2018 #84
McTurtle would probably have the Sergeant-at-Arms arrest the nursing kid on the Senate floor. DFW Mar 2018 #82
Duckworth is one strong woman DownriverDem Mar 2018 #87
Whip out her boob and pump on Senate floor. I would dare any senator to make it an issue. Pepsidog Mar 2018 #88
She should pump on Senate floor and dare anyone to stop her or criticize her. Pepsidog Mar 2018 #89
Phoned Udall, Phoned Heinrich. TygrBright Mar 2018 #90
Done and shared. NT lisby Mar 2018 #91
So a senator can run someone down, drunk, with a car, 'on the way to a vote' and AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #92
Who said she can't take maternity leave? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #95
Sorry, I left out the implicit 'and continue to vote'. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #98
No. Not at all EffieBlack Mar 2018 #100
So she can take maternity leave and still vote if present? AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #101
Yes. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #102
Thank you so much for clarifying. AtheistCrusader Mar 2018 #103
Not by the 51% of US citizens that have a uterus ... and those in the 49% that love them. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #97

GWC58

(2,678 posts)
5. Hmmm, maybe I dreamt this, but
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:07 PM
Feb 2018

isn’t another female senator pregnant. GOP I believe. Iowa, maybe? If that’s the case a rule change, for her (the thugliCon)?

AJT

(5,240 posts)
6. Women don't nurse at their desks at work. There is a nursing area at most work places.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:13 PM
Feb 2018

Most women don't nurse where they work at all. Women usually pump and the infants are bottle fed at daycare.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
8. And if she takes time off to pump on a schedule?
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:22 PM
Feb 2018

Can you imagine if she was to pump on the Senate floor or in committee meetings?

AJT

(5,240 posts)
12. They aren't voting 24/7. Congress people come and go throughout the day.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:27 PM
Feb 2018

They aren't at their seats all of the time. There will be plenty of time for her to nurse or pump. If there ends up being a problem she is a strong woman and will deal with it.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
48. Once you empty your breasts, you can go many hours without pumping.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:57 PM
Feb 2018

Lots of women pump at intervals throughout the day. This is a struggle women cope with every day. I'm all for her working to change the culture for women, but acting like this will interfere with her ability to do her job is just not true.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
22. The thing is, that maternity leave is a different sort of "medical leave"
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:25 PM
Feb 2018

It doesn't mean that you can't function at work. It means you are taking time to spend time at home more with the baby, as you adjust. Sleep makes things difficult, but not impossible.

The idea that she has to be at the office full time in order to be considered fit to author legislation, because the only reason a man would not be there would be because he is incapacitated shows the folly of that sort of policy.

Yes, she can still be a "strong woman" and need the flexible time in the early days after birth.

Sarah Palin bought into that 'I have to show that I'm a strong woman by being just like one of the men" crap when she showed up to work 4 days after giving birth to a high risk labor for a special needs child.

That shit doesn't need to be perpetuated in the Senate.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
79. Consider that the same rules applied to seriously ill Senators
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:30 AM
Mar 2018

They needed to be physically present to vote. Remember McCain and Kennedy respectively showing up?

As to committee hearings, they have some options. They can watch live coverage of any open hearings and have staffers there. If they were watching and had a question not asked, they could get a message to a staffer and a peer could ask the question. Her office would continue to work for constituents.

As to nursing, she has a private office with a door. She is in a far better situation than most working moms. As to nursing on the floor of the Senate, it doesn't make sense. If you ever visited the Senate, you would know Senators don't often sit there other than right before they speak. They can watch from their office via CSPAN.

Response to AJT (Reply #12)

Lithos

(26,403 posts)
44. As much as I would enjoy seeing Pence and a few others be discomfited by her nursing on the floor
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:38 PM
Feb 2018

To be honest, this is really a case of providing the necessary respect and space for Sen. Duckworth to focus on her baby. Yes, she could technically do it, but is it really what's best for her and her baby?

What is likely to happen is she'll end up with an abbreviated maternity leave, or a fragmented one, as she makes herself and her vote available during critical legislative junctures. Much like when McCain flew in.

L-

Response to AJT (Reply #12)

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,873 posts)
36. The idea that she would pump on the Senate floor or in a committee
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:54 PM
Feb 2018

meeting is pretty dumb. Women don't do that. They want privacy for the pumping.

dflprincess

(28,082 posts)
54. Women working regular jobs (teacher, nurse, clerk, lawyer) manage to do it
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:47 PM
Feb 2018

I'm sure a senator can figure out how to work it into her schedule. And the senator has the advantage of not having a manager breathing down her neck tracking her time away from work.

A senator also has the advantage of a private office that most women do not and I imagine no one would object if she brings the baby to her office.

Carrying on like Senator Duckworth is facing insurmountable hardships is insulting to any mom who doesn't have a job with all the perks a senator has.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,335 posts)
59. Yeah, I don't get what the issue is.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:56 PM
Feb 2018

She's a US Senator. She can come and go as she sees fit. Why would she "take maternity leave" when all she has to do is not show up?

She's only answerable to her constituents and I'm sure we (I live in IL) won't mind if she misses some votes.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
64. If every Senator has an office, was Gillibrand leaving her kids in Reid's office...
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 01:02 AM
Mar 2018

.... when she had to go vote because it was closer?

The fact she required surgical delivery of her first daughter does increase the likelihood of having to take a longer leave than some women can. She hired an au pair with Abigail and so I expect she will be open to hiring childcare.

But Senator Duckworth's mobility issues would require making whatever place is chosen as Nursing Senator Space reasonably close to the floor. Even if she has others to watch/carry little one, making mad dashes like G alleged isn't something we should have to expect for anyone, and likely impossible for her.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
65. The Lindy Boggs Room
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 01:06 AM
Mar 2018

She could also use the Democratic Cloalroom.

There are plenty of places.

This article is pure BS, written by someone who either hasn’t a clue how the Senate actually works or assumes that no one else does.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
66. LB Reading Room is closer to the House floor. Wrong wing.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 01:47 AM
Mar 2018

That might have shown up in your search about how our many breastfeeding House members have managed, but something in the Senate wing would be more appropriate even for someone without mobility constraints.

Just saying, reasonable accommodation close enough to the floor to allow her to disengage a pump and get in for a vote, whatever that timing is given her mobility restrictions, isn't too much to ask. And again I expect she will do her part to make it work by getting assistance if she needs extra hands, as she did with her first kid.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
68. Whoops - you're right. That popped into my mind and I forgot that's on the House side!
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 09:13 AM
Mar 2018

There are lots of rooms right off of the Senate floor that she could use. In fact, she probably already has a "hideaway," a private area in the Capitol near the Senate floor, where she works, meets with constituents, etc., between votes. If she doesn't already have one, surely the Capitol Architect will provide one to her on request after he baby is born.

That said, I'm not sure what is the point of this freakout over Senator Duckworth's breastfeeding accommodations. Senator Duckworth is pretty savvy and I have no doubt that she's handling her personal business quite nicely without our assistance. And surely, we have more important things to worry about and advocate for than where a U.S. Senator will breastfeed her baby.

FYI, contrary to your assumption about how I gather my information, I didn't learn about the Lindy Boggs Room from the Google. I'm very familiar with it because, among other things, I've spent a lot of time in that very room myself.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
69. Truthfully, if kid is quiet, I think she ought to be allowed to feed on the floor.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 09:47 AM
Mar 2018

I think the bigger reason it would be a problem -- kids are pretty quiet when they're at it -- is that the stress of debating on the floor going on might interfere with let-down, etc, or make the baby uncomfortable.

It's not like a baby didn't yell at both chambers of Congress recently, and he was allowed over an hour.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
71. I hadn't thought of that, but that makes sense
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 10:26 AM
Mar 2018

They'd have to make an exception to the Senate rules since, unlike House rules, they don't permit children - or anyone else other than Senators, Senate staff and other specific officials to go on the floor. But the Rules Committee could make an exception for her if necessary.

But there could be some wariness about making an exception. Senate rules regarding the floor are VERY strict. Men and women must wear jackets and business attire. I once saw a Senator asked to leave right after he stepped into the doorway to vote - because he had rushed over from the gym and was still wearing sweats. I can imagine there'd be some concern about setting a precedent regarding babies on the floor. One is no big deal. But as more and more female Senators are likely to have babies, there could be a concern about a bunch of babies in the chamber (besides the ones walking around voting).

BTW, your comment made me laugh out loud.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
78. Glad I was able to make you laugh!
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:28 AM
Mar 2018

My issue would be more about the newborn's comfort, trying to nurse peacefully but getting disturbed, as you said, by the adult babies ranting and raving.

Kid would probably rather nurse somewhere quieter, and further away from thrown feces.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
85. I'm sure she already has a hideaway.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 12:09 PM
Mar 2018

Those spaces are limited and are usually given to more senior senators, but given her mobility issues, I'm sure she has one so that she has a place to work in the Capitol near the floor without having to go back and forth to her office several times a day.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
13. Our pastor has nursed during worship
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:28 PM
Feb 2018

Nobody in the congregation bats an eye.

If a bunch of aging hippies can stand it, I'd say the members of the self-styled World's Greatest Deliberative Body can endure.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
61. With Duckworth's mobility issues it's harder for her to do a Gillibrand nursing strategy.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 12:18 AM
Mar 2018

"The New York senator said she would leave Henry and his older brother Theo in former Senator Harry Reid's office, sprint to the Senate floor, vote, and sprint back again, leaving them unattended for just 30 seconds. At the threshold of a door to the Senate floor, she would hold her sons' hands on one side and "lean in [her] head" to vote on the other."

I think the solution after birth during nursing time might involve either a supportive husband or a third party helper. I hope that a Senator choosing assisted reproductive technologies to fulfill their dreams of parenthood has the resources to hire a person to cart kiddo around and supervise between nursing/pumping sessions.

onenote

(42,737 posts)
7. A little hyperbolic
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:13 PM
Feb 2018

She's not barred from voting or sponsoring legislation because she had a baby and took leave. She'll be barred because if she's not physically present she can't vote or introduce a bill. The same is true of any Senator who, for any reason, cannot be physically present. There was no exception made for Ted Kennedy when he was too ill to vote. There is no exception made for John McCain because he's too ill to vote.

One can question whether, in a modern era, physical presence to cast a vote or introduce a bill should be required, but its not specifically a "maternity leave" issue.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
9. Not if you have been in a situation where your pumping was not accomodated.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:24 PM
Feb 2018

So, yes, this is an issue. And that argument was used to discriminate against women taking maternity leave for decade.

I would LOVE to see her pump on the Senate floor during a vote, just to watch the chest clutching on the part of the conservatives.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
20. She is not in that situation.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:21 PM
Feb 2018

She has a suite of offices in which she can breastfeed or pump. And votes aren't taken within a few minutes, but over an hour or several. It's good to bring attention to a problem, but the problem here is only the same as pertains to any absent Senator, and maybe it's not a real problem at all; maybe it's right that they don't vote if they're absent or sick.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
25. However, there is the ban on authoring legislation.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:30 PM
Feb 2018

If she is on leave, then she's barred. If she's not on leave, she's supposed to be there the full day.

Because the only reason a male politician would take leave is because he was incapacitated - there full time or off full time.

There is no space for the postpartum grey area where flexibility and some part time off is needed.

That is the issue.

marybourg

(12,633 posts)
31. What's the problem?
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:39 PM
Feb 2018

She takes some maternity leave, then she pumps or breastfeeds in her office suite. Sponsoring legislation is not something that happens in an instant, unless it's an emergency. There are many indignities that women endure, still. This is not one of them.

onenote

(42,737 posts)
58. There is no "bar" on authoring legislation if you're on leave.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 11:37 PM
Feb 2018

The only "bar" is the requirement that a member has to be present on the floor of the Senate to introduce a bill. It can be "authored" anywhere, at any time. But no senator can "mail" in a bill. They have to appear and present it. Male or female.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
62. No, there isnt
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 12:51 AM
Mar 2018

She can draft legislation - or, more likely, her staff can draft it (since staffs draftvthe bills anyway). And she can sign on to others’ bills as a co-sponsor.

Where did you get the notion that she couldn’t?

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
19. Physical presence does seem a bit arcane.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:11 PM
Feb 2018

I suspect some don't want to change that rule, because they like to be able to get out of a vote that don't want to go on record for.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
63. Thats not it
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 12:55 AM
Mar 2018

A critical part of being a Senator or Representative is the collaboration, deliberation and give-and-take between legislators. Without it, the legislative process might as well be conducted by computer.

And that’s what would happen if legislators were allowed to vote remotely. Too many woluld never 8nteracy again, but would instead just phone it inform the road. Physical presence is absolutely essentially the process.

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
75. Interesting point, but compromise could be reached.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:10 AM
Mar 2018

For example "phoning in" a vote might only be permissible if the representative had been present and participated in the debate of the bill. Or someone may only be permitted to do this on a limited basis, i.e. no more than X times per year. There's probably no perfect solution, so the question would be, what set of rules ultimately best serves the people. But as "virtual presences" expand in the decades to come, I expect we will ultimately want to revisit this, no matter which side of the argument you are on.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
83. They will never allow phone in votes
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 12:00 PM
Mar 2018

Not going to happen.

And, in my view, it shouldn't. The Senators and Members need to be together in Washington when they cast their votes. Remote voting would throw off the entire collaborative process.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
17. The Senate didn't even have restrooms for women when women were finally elected
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:39 PM
Feb 2018

So, they have to be brought up to speed on this, as well.

rpannier

(24,333 posts)
35. Someone posted an explanation further up
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:53 PM
Feb 2018

You have to be physically present to vote
If you're in the hospital (Ted Kennedy, John McCain), at a funeral, whatever, you're prevented from voting

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
16. So while it's inside her, it's precious
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:33 PM
Feb 2018

But once it's born, toss it from the tallest building and get on with important legislation to save more fetuses. Hmmmm, sounds asinine to me.

bdamomma

(63,917 posts)
80. exactly
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:32 AM
Mar 2018

they are so hypocritical and twisted in their thinking they care more about the fetus than the child.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
18. Considering that all Senators have to actually be present to vote...
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 06:49 PM
Feb 2018

This seems alarmist. McCain cannot vote while getting medical treatment either. And no one will have their pay stop.

Votes in the Senate do not just pop up. I am confident she will be able to schedule he feeding or pumping times around them. Most of the time very few senators are on the floor anyway.

Compared to women I see in my workplace she has it made. Well, except the horrible injuries she received fighting in our names. Bet you she is already planning a little nursery it crib in her office.

I am not aware of any workplace that allow women or men to bring infants in for care.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
23. I dont have a problem with her not being able to vote if on leave.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:27 PM
Feb 2018

As long as there are policies that deal with that including a way for constituents to have their voices hear(a vote in congress) if their representative is female. Voting times can be worked around. Policies should be in place.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
24. Well, that might be misleading. If she takes leave, like McCain is doing....
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:29 PM
Feb 2018

she can still go back to vote, it seems. Like McCain did. Right?

Maternity leave is treated like medical leave. We are seeing the effect of that with McCain. You can't vote long distance, I guess. No one can. But you can go back for a day to vote.

She probably wouldn't be taking her infant back with her for the day. That would be too hard on a newborn.

magicarpet

(14,160 posts)
26. Well tr-dumpie didn't take any time off....
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:31 PM
Feb 2018

.....when his last child was born. Like a trooper he kept his nose to the grindstone stone and was boinking porn stars. He didn't suffer or cause any down time.

Oh... wait... that's different.
Sorry.







 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
27. This is not likely to be a problem
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:34 PM
Feb 2018

Votes are scheduled and the time allowed for each vote can be extended to accommodate Senators who need time to get to the floor. And Senators don’t actually have to go all the way in to the chamber to vote. They can vote from the doorway - as long as the clerk can see them give a thumbs up or thumbs down.

A nursing mother’s schedule can be handled, so the alarm is a little premature.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
33. It's the authoring of the legislation that's worrying me.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:41 PM
Feb 2018

The reason a man would be out is because he is campaigning out of the area or recovering from brain cancer doesn't map to the idea that yes, she's nearby, and can come in for part of the time, and is capable of functioning.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
40. I don't understand what you're talking about
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:25 PM
Feb 2018

She can work during her leave. And her staff, including drafting legislation - who really does the day-to-day work - will still work during that time. She can even vote in committee without being there since, the Senate allows committee members to vote by proxy. The only thing she won't be doing is vote on the floor, which she has to be present to do.

And there are numerous reasons Senators - male or female - are out besides campaignIng or brain cancer, including paternity leave and family issues.

This really isn't a big deal.

Action_Patrol

(845 posts)
45. Theres nothing to this at all.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:41 PM
Feb 2018

Pure hyperbole.

Every committee has an ante-room. The chambers have the cloakrooms. Nobody spends time on the floor except to vote which in a 15 minute vote, literally takes the time to be recognized by the clerk calling the roll and to vote up or down. Then you leave again.

Nobody can vote on the floor absentee. Just in committee.

This article is trying very hard to make something out of nothing

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
86. My thought as well.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 12:09 PM
Mar 2018

I still think putting a clear policy in place for parental leave and nursing is a good idea, always.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,113 posts)
29. Watch for McConnell and the other traitors to concede nothing to her.
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:36 PM
Feb 2018

After all, republicans hate women,

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
34. It appears,
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 07:47 PM
Feb 2018

we are still living in the 18th century. How about we update things a bit and throw republican scum to the curb, or sewer.

former9thward

(32,064 posts)
42. Why would she take a leave?
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 08:26 PM
Feb 2018

Senators don't take leaves when they are ill. They just don't show up. No penalties. I don't see the problem here.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
57. Some actually do take "leave" but not as normally defined
Wed Feb 28, 2018, 10:54 PM
Feb 2018

Keeping a high voting percentage is very important to senators. They usually try to keep it in the high 90s, so they make a point of not missing votes unless it can't be avoided. When they do have to miss votes, they inform leadership and provide a reason so that their absence is "excused" and they can point to that if people raise questions about their low voting percentage.

Response to ehrnst (Original post)

Crunchy Frog

(26,610 posts)
60. Do the same rules apply to male senators who take sick leave?
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 12:02 AM
Mar 2018

Is this just a Rethug tactic to remove a Democratic vote?

mountain grammy

(26,642 posts)
70. Thanks for the blood pressure rise..
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 09:55 AM
Mar 2018

think I'll blow a gasket soon. This, of course, is due to our male dominated society, but we know that here.

We really need to elect more women.

bdamomma

(63,917 posts)
81. exactly
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:36 AM
Mar 2018

mountain grammy, and more women are running too. The ole boy's club are showing how immature they are. Jerks.

Generic Brad

(14,275 posts)
73. Is she being treated the same as Senator McCain?
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 10:40 AM
Mar 2018

He is absent now. Is he barred from voting or sponsoring legislation while he is absent due to his medical condition? Therein lies the answer as to whether she is being treated fairly or not.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
96. This is no different than any other occupation
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 02:44 PM
Mar 2018

A woman can't be penalized for taking time off to give birth. But, at the same time, if aspects of her job can only be done in a specific location, her employer is not required to change its entire work protocol so she can do the work from a different place.

For example, if she's a mechanic who needs to be on site to do auto repairs, the company doesn't have to switch over to automated robotics so that she can do the repairs from her home. They just can't fire her because she can't come in to the shop for a period of time.

onenote

(42,737 posts)
99. It's the same because the rule is you have to vote in person and you have to present a bill
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 04:11 PM
Mar 2018

for introduction in person.

If you aren't present for a vote, it doesn't matter why -- voluntary, involuntary absences are the same. If you can't make it because you are giving birth, or recovering from a difficult labor, or nursing your child or taking them to their first day of school or their high school graduation or their wedding or the birth of your grandchild or visiting a sick relative or attending a funeral for a parent or child or anyone else, or if you're in a coma, or you simply decided to go scuba diving or take a long lunch -- no distinctions are made. The only procedure for voting is to show up and cast your vote in person. And the only way to introduce a bill is to show up and give it to the presiding office who hands it to the clerk.

And nothing prevents a Senator from drafting a bill or signing on to someone else's bill as an original co-sponsor: you don't have to be present to do those things.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
76. Meanwhile in Iceland, politicians can breastfeed while giving speeches
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:17 AM
Mar 2018
A politician has breastfed her baby while speaking at the national parliament in Iceland.

Unnur Brá Konráðsdóttir, from the centre-right Independence Party, nursed her 6-week-old daughter at the podium of the Alþingi parliament on Wednesday, while explaining her vote on new immigration legislation to colleagues.

Although the northern European country has an extremely relaxed attitude towards breastfeeding in public, it was the first time an MP had fed her child while actually addressing parliament.


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/icelandic-mp-breastfeeds-baby-debate-parliament-al-ingi-a7358681.html

bdamomma

(63,917 posts)
77. just shows you
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:26 AM
Mar 2018

how the ole boys club likes to discriminate against women. This is disgusting.

I signed petition.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
84. You're being lied to and played
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 12:03 PM
Mar 2018

This is NOT a thing.

Sen. Duckworth is not being "penalized" in any way. She will NOT be barred from voting. She will NOT be prevented from drafting and introducing legislation. She will not be forbidden to nurse her baby in a convenient location.

And, as far as I can tell, she hasn't asked for our help in handling her business. She certainly is not, as the petition claims "single-handedly trying to change Senate rules to allow new mothers in office to vote on legislation" because the Senate rules don't prohibit new mothers from voting on legislation. That's just a false claim.

She's a grown-assed woman who is on top of her shit and surely has worked out her any arrangements she needs. This petition makes us look like over-reactive snowflakes.

DFW

(54,428 posts)
82. McTurtle would probably have the Sergeant-at-Arms arrest the nursing kid on the Senate floor.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 11:42 AM
Mar 2018

Let it die in detention, it's the Republican way. Pro-life? Not if birth has already occurred, they're not.

DownriverDem

(6,230 posts)
87. Duckworth is one strong woman
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 12:31 PM
Mar 2018

Unless medically she can't be there, I think she will be in the Capitol so she can vote. In fact, she should bring the baby with her when she votes.

TygrBright

(20,763 posts)
90. Phoned Udall, Phoned Heinrich.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 01:14 PM
Mar 2018

They do not quite grasp (yet) the importance of this issue.

Lots of phone calls, people. LOTS AND LOTS of phone calls.

I'll be tracking this one and checking in with Heinrich's and Udall's office until they issue solid statements of support for the rules change.

Particularly Heinrich's office as the phone answerer gave a definite "clueless git" impression. At least Udall's phone answerer, while she wasn't familiar with the specifics of the rules change issue, recognized that it is important, put me on hold to see if there was any established position, and then took my email address to update me if/when more info is available.

This issue right here is a serious challenge to the power of the US patriarchy. When new mothers are in the Senate, reviewing issues, hearing testimony, formulating bills, participating in debate, and VOTING ON LEGISLATION, we will see some real evolution in a human direction.

firmly,
Bright

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
92. So a senator can run someone down, drunk, with a car, 'on the way to a vote' and
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 02:04 PM
Mar 2018

she can't take maternity leave? wtf.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
95. Who said she can't take maternity leave?
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 02:35 PM
Mar 2018

This whole argument is ridiculous, as is the fact-free petition.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
98. Sorry, I left out the implicit 'and continue to vote'.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 03:16 PM
Mar 2018

This seems ridiculous to me, if true.

Is it a true claim?

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
101. So she can take maternity leave and still vote if present?
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 04:56 PM
Mar 2018

I just want to make sure I understand correctly.


In the private sector, when someone goes on family leave, we even turn off their corp e-mail access. But it's a different world. If I commit a crime on the way to work, I can't go 'sorry officer, I have to get to work and kick off a compiler run.'. Where a senator has explicit laws that ensure they are able to reach the floor under exigent circumstances.

I think that is why this story is somewhat compelling, because it's not a private sector job. That's my take anyway.


Thank you for taking time to clarify/fix facts. Badly needed all over these days.

 

EffieBlack

(14,249 posts)
102. Yes.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 05:24 PM
Mar 2018

There really isn't "maternity leave" in the House or Senate in the same sense as in the private sector since Senators don't work 9-5 and can take time off whenever they want. But even when they aren't working, they are considered in duty status because Senators are Senators 24/7, whether they are actually working or not. They usually don't take time off when the Senate is in session because they need to be in Washington to vote. But if they're going to miss votes, they usually will let the leadership know so their absence is recorded along with the reason therefor, but that's not a requirement.

Senator Duckworth is due in late April. The Senate is scheduled to be on recess from April 28- May 4, so there won't be any votes during that time. But she will likely (but not necessarily since she seems pretty robust) miss votes in early May. But she'll still be a Senator and can conduct Senate business, including meeting/talking with her staff, meeting with constituents, drafting legislation (although the legislation is usually drafted by staff in conjunction with Legislative Counsel and then edited/approved by the Senator). She can put participate in meetings with her colleagues and staff by phone or video. She can put floor statements into the record, participate in her committee hearings by having her statements entered into the record and question witnesses by submitting questions in writing or having one of colleagues ask them on her behalf. She can even vote in committee by having another member or a staffer vote her proxy. The only thing she won't be able to do while she's away is vote since that must be done in person. But if she's in Washington and wants to vote, all she has to do is head on over to the Senate floor and she's good to go.

That's why this "She'll being penalized because she'll be on maternity leave" claim has no connection with the reality and it's a shame so many people are getting their shorts all in a bunch about it.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
103. Thank you so much for clarifying.
Thu Mar 1, 2018, 06:02 PM
Mar 2018

Oh my goodness, I feel hoodwinked by the article.

With that information, the whole story makes a whole lot more sense.

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