BREAKING: Florida shooter had swastikas on ammunition magazines

[anneboleyn]

Reported about fifteen minutes ago on cnn and cbs — I can’t say I’m surprised.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/swastikas-ammunition-magazines-parkland-florida-school-shooting-suspect-nikolas-cruz/

Florida school shooting suspect Nikolas Cruz had swastikas ammunition magazines he brought into Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School on Feb. 14, a federal law enforcement source with direct knowledge of the investigation told CBS News on Tuesday. Cruz has been charged with 17 counts of premeditated murder.

Cruz had 180 rounds of ammunition left, a source confirmed to CBS News. A federal law enforcement source told CBS News the suspect broke a third-floor window, possibly to fire upon people from above.

The excerpt is from the cbs posting on their website.

[struggle4progress]

1. So he's one of that "some very fine people" crowd we've heard about

[jpak]

3. Beat me to it - and he had a MAGA hat

to boot

[poboy2]

2. MAGA hat wearer. Use it. -eom

[maxsolomon]

4. No way, I read he was Antifa

My Aunt shared a post that said so!

[The_Casual_Observer]

7. Yes those bad bad card carrying Antifa are well known for mass murder and stuff.

Thems are the real enemy I'll tell you wot.

[BigmanPigman]

5. This is expected, due regard misplaced symbolism of modern, ignorant

violent cretins who have very little to zero knowledge of what half the symbols they use actually represent.. It is "in vogue" and will probably be seen more and more often due to the internet and the neo Nazis/alt right resurgence.

[malaise]

6. and a photo with him in a MAGA hat

Is M$Greedia ready to discuss this?

[ProudLib72]

10. ...

[The_Casual_Observer]

8. They were quick to deny any connection with neo nazis (the good guys on both sides)

[Tatiana]

9. "Both sides do it!"

Oh wait a minute... there's actually only one group that primary seems to do this sort of thing.

[quartz007]

13. I did not know

That mass shooter at Fort Hood was a KKK member.

[Tatiana]

14. Fair point.

Radicalized terrorists, notwithstanding.

[quartz007]

15. Thanks for the clarification!

[anneboleyn]

16. Most alt-right types are NOT KKK members so Im not sure what you are trying to claim.

It looks like, judging from the swastikas he etched onto his magazines of ammo, that he had alt-right sympathies. Most of the alt right types aren’t kkk members and even try to argue that they are different and better. There have been a lot of these incidents recently involving perps with alt-right sympathies.

[mercuryblues]

19. Alt-right

modern name for KKK. There is no difference between the ideologies.

[quartz007]

20. There is not a dime's worth of difference

between KKK and alt-right. They both are brimming with inferiority complex. Which is why they are constantly claiming to be superior based on lack of melanin.

[quartz007]

11. How many times FBI was called in

to report Cruz? And Cruz was well known to local police as well. They all screwed up.

[SunSeeker]

17. Once. But what has that got to do with the swatsikas?

[quartz007]

22. Absolutely nothing directly

My point is law enforcement needs to take reports of radical behavior much more seriously. Especially in the 21st century.

[SunSeeker]

23. The FBI gets over 2,000 such phone tips a day. Why keep beating that horse?

Why pick on the FBI when 39 calls were made to local law enforcement?

If you want to pick on someone, how about all the fucking Republicans who refuse to pass an assault weapons ban?

[quartz007]

24. Republicans are NOT going to pass

assault weapon ban so long as they get big contributions from NRA. If you want to ban sale & possession of assault weapons, first get rid of NRA.

If it was up to me, I would ban assault weapons in a NY minute. But I do not have that power. Only firearms I would allow are manual loading shotguns and small capacity handguns of 9mm or less caliber.

[SunSeeker]

25. We should spend our efforts flipping Congress.

I'm not sure how we could legally "get rid of" the NRA.

[quartz007]

31. Plz see post #28

and...I should have said LAW ENFORCEMENT instead of FBI.
I got lazy since it is 3 letters versus 14.

[Eyeball_Kid]

26. LEAs must follow laws themselves.

They can only arrest if they believe a crime is being committed. They can’t conduct unlawful searches or seizures. Seeing warning signs doesn’t give them reason to arrest or detain. They can’t arrest someone based on the anticipation that something could go wrong at some point in the future. It’s a different story of assault rifles are illegal and Cruz has one.

[Lee-Lee]

28. He committed multiple crimes the sheriffs office refused to arrest for

Just a few-

Communicating written threats- a crime in Florida
Aggravated stalking- his threats against classmates online is enough to rise to that level, a felony.
Improper exhibition of a firearm- A law unique to Florida that makes displaying a wepaon, including in photos online, with intent to intimidate a crime.

If I went and drilled down in Florida statutes I could probably identify at least a half dozen other charges his documented behavior could have allowed.

They missed multiple chances to charge him with multiple crimes.

If he had been charged with even one of them and prosecuted this wouldn’t have happened. Because first after arrest a condition of his bail or pretrail release would have been he not be allowed to possess firearms and he would have been required to dispose of them under police supervision or have them siezed. Then after any conviction if it was one of the possible felony charges he loses his right to own firearms for life. If one of the misdemeanor charges he would have ended up with at least a few years of probation and one of the terms of probation is always a prohibition on possession of firearms.

On top of them, that sheriffs office has its own internal intelligence section who has among its jobs to monitor the online activity of people deemed high risk or danger. His name absolutely should have been sent to them for them to engage in monitor of his social media activity. Had that been done after clear warnings the intelligence people would have seen his posts that included threats and crimes and could have acted. Instead it was only referred to ten SRO who IG appears did nothing meaningful with the knowledge.

Don’t let the excuse making of the sheriff there fool you. There were multiple time he committed crimes that fully could have been charged and given the nature of them were sure things for convictions. Even one of those would have taken the guns out of his hands before this happened.

Why the BCSO chose at every opportunity to not charge him and not follow up with all the warning o can’t explain. But the narrative coming from the sheriff that they couldn’t have done anything is absolutely not true. If you don’t believe me look up the reports of his history and those specific laws in Florida and look to see how neighboring agencies in Florida have used those laws to charge people making similar threats or behaving in similar ways.

[quartz007]

30. +1000

[JDC]

12. Moot perhaps, but were they drawn on or did he purchase them that way

I would be interested to know what kind of gun "accessories"/propangda are being sold to these gun nuts under the guise of Ams 1 & 2? And maybe trace the source where these came from. Was it a Nazi extremist group/store?

This country needs to wake up to the Neo Nazi movement and what a danger these homegrown terrorists are are becoming i.e. indoctrinating, training, committing acts of violence in the name of....etc etc.

If this kid had Aluha Akbar written on those mags this would be the only story we'd hear about.

[anneboleyn]

18. Cnns report is saying he etched them on the magazines. Yeah maybe he bought a huge amount

of ammo that had swastikas etched on it by...random?

[JDC]

21. Thx. I had not seen that.

[BruceT]

27. You cant blame law enforcement

Until he shot the first student he didn’t brake any laws,

[Lee-Lee]

29. Thats absolutely not true

See my post above detailing multiple laws he broke and could have been, should have been charged with.

Improper exhibition of a firearm- his social media photos of firearms accompanied by threats meet that law. A misdemeanor in FL.

Aggravated Stalking- his specific threats made to classmates after breaking up with his girlfriend meets this standards, and since some were directed at students under 16 those would be chargeable as felonies. So multiple offenses some misdemeanor some felony for each person he made threats to.

Written threats to do bodily inury- his threats online met that standard as well, a felony.

Assault- reports are he was in multiple fights at school. In addition at least one of the 911 calls involved him punching a resident of a trailer he was staying at after his mother died.

I am not an expert on all the Florida statutes so I I took time to dig I bet I could come up with a half dozen more charges they could have filed.

[marble falls]

32. Are you sure you're posting in the right place?

[moriah]

33. Put on the brakes, and break yourself in by reading a bit. Welcome to DU!

His adoptive mother called police several times, for both violence and self-harm, including cutting. Twice police refused to take him in for Baker Act provisions despite his now dead mother begging the system for help.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/16/us/florida-shooter-cruz-records-police-calls-to-home-invs/index.html

The prior family he lived with after his mothers death called police to report terroristic threatening involving firearms and damage to property. The son felt sorry for him and didn't want him to have to go to jail so didn't press charges himself for physical assault witnessed by police, but his mother told them about the terroristic threatening involving guns.

They hadn't wanted him to have firearms in their home. The Deschamps still had his younger brother Zach, but Nik moved out and, to the home where people were cool with the guns. He came to them with all the guns and ammunition the Deschamps had told police he had.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/21/us/school-shooter-gun-threats-first-host-family-told-police-invs/index.html

He both broke laws AND demonstrated on multiple occasions he needed psychiatric medication to keep him from acting out but wasn't compliant. I'm sure every one of those officers who could have said "Sorry, but we have to arrest him/take him in for treatment" regrets not doing so.