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Solly Mack

(90,773 posts)
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:07 PM Feb 2018

15 years after torture at Abu Ghraib, a historic ruling in the fight for accountability

Nearly 15 years after the horrific abuses at the Abu Ghraib "hard site" prison in Iraq came to light, a Virginia federal judge ruled that the mistreatment of our three Iraqi plaintiffs who were detained there constitutes torture, war crimes, and cruel, inhuman, and degrading treatment. The ruling also held that the private military contractor CACI Premier Technology can be held liable for its employees conspiring to commit and aiding and abetting these crimes, rejecting the company's decade-long claim it should be shielded from liability.


Finally, a chance at some accountability for U.S. war crimes.
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15 years after torture at Abu Ghraib, a historic ruling in the fight for accountability (Original Post) Solly Mack Feb 2018 OP
You shouldn't be shielded from liability for illegal acts. n/t PoliticAverse Feb 2018 #1
Nope. None of the guilty should. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #5
Very important malaise Feb 2018 #2
Thank you, malaise Solly Mack Feb 2018 #6
About time we see justice malaise Feb 2018 #7
Very much needed accountability. brer cat Feb 2018 #3
Me, too. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #4
Always the sacrificial lambs but never the big fish: Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld... Dustlawyer Feb 2018 #18
Great post, my dear Solly Mack! CaliforniaPeggy Feb 2018 #8
I'm much better, thanks, CaliforniaPeggy!! Solly Mack Feb 2018 #20
When I see gun control plans that don't apply to veterans samir.g Feb 2018 #9
Veterans or military contractors? McCamy Taylor Feb 2018 #12
I think of all the guilty and wish them justice. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #21
Thank goodness! Greybnk48 Feb 2018 #10
Good for us and good for the world to see... magicarpet Feb 2018 #13
I'm hopeful for some accountability from this. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #22
At long last. McCamy Taylor Feb 2018 #11
Yes Solly Mack Feb 2018 #23
Great gratuitous Feb 2018 #14
There is that, unfortunately. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #24
Corporate Capital Punishment charliea Feb 2018 #15
I hope CACI is punished. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #25
The long arm of history and of the law will never whitewash evil doing bucolic_frolic Feb 2018 #16
Not sure I agree with that sentiment - evil is all too often white-washed and for many, it Solly Mack Feb 2018 #26
I have been waiting for this for 15 years. annabanana Feb 2018 #17
Yes. Still does. Always will. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #27
Baghdad Central Correction Facility shadowmayor Feb 2018 #19
I'd like to see them in prison for the next 60 years...or whatever time remains of their lives. Solly Mack Feb 2018 #28
CACI has been an example of the crap around DC that will do ANYTHING for $$$s erronis Feb 2018 #29

brer cat

(24,578 posts)
3. Very much needed accountability.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:11 PM
Feb 2018

I wish the ruling applied to the government officials who were culpable.

Solly Mack

(90,773 posts)
4. Me, too.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:12 PM
Feb 2018

But maybe that will come before it is too late and they die peacefully in their sleep.

Because they belong behind bars, dying there, as what they are - war criminals.

CaliforniaPeggy

(149,640 posts)
8. Great post, my dear Solly Mack!
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:20 PM
Feb 2018

I'm glad to see you posting. Hope you're feeling well!

This is a bit of news that I might well have missed. Thank you!



samir.g

(835 posts)
9. When I see gun control plans that don't apply to veterans
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 07:25 PM
Feb 2018

I can't help but think of these fine upstanding veterans who gleefully committed war crimes, and the many that were never caught.

Greybnk48

(10,168 posts)
10. Thank goodness!
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 07:57 PM
Feb 2018

Allowing this conduct to be acceptable definitely would be a slippery slope into an ethical black hole. This is good for us and our country.

magicarpet

(14,155 posts)
13. Good for us and good for the world to see...
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 08:14 PM
Feb 2018

Checks and balances in motion doing what should be done - if there was a wrong done - and a court of law recognizes the wrong - those done wrong/harm are entitled to just compensations.

We are a civilized society and recognize our obligations to maintain fairness and harmony that help sustain a civilized society that we want. Anything less is to permit and condone mayhem and chaos - which we seek to avoid.

charliea

(260 posts)
15. Corporate Capital Punishment
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 08:17 PM
Feb 2018

After they've paid whatever fine is assessed, hopefully enough to let the victims and surviving family live a life of luxury (after lawyers fees), seize their remaining assets as punitive punishment and revoke their corporate charter. Also they should publish who in the Bush administration authorized the use of this company. An argument can be made that their violating the Constitution since the Constitution's Supremacy Clause means all treaties are the law of the land. The US ratified the Convention against Torture more than 20 years ago. Perpetrators can/must be punished, so the corporation has to go...

Might add a little trepidation to the other bad actors

Solly Mack

(90,773 posts)
26. Not sure I agree with that sentiment - evil is all too often white-washed and for many, it
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:26 PM
Feb 2018

remains that way. Sadly.

Look at all the stupid stuff said about slavery, for example.

But this news gives me some hope.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
19. Baghdad Central Correction Facility
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:11 PM
Feb 2018

Spent 2005 or OIF3 in Abu Ghraib as an NCO attached to the 18th MP's sent to "restore America's honor and dignity". I was an engineer/electrician and crawled all over that horrible place. The leaders wanted us to call it BCCF instead of Abu Ghraib, but that never worked. Just as we had no business invading Iraq, using Abu Ghraib was an especially sadistic and tone deaf move by Rummy and Wolfie and Cheney. The American public doesn't have a clue about the level of torture and death that took place there, both before we arrived and after. The stacking and stripping of Iraqi prisoners really didn't surprise the Iraqi's too much, as that behavior was expected in Abu Ghraib. In fact, many of the detainees weren't particularly bothered by it. But they knew that Americans had raped, tortured and murdered prisoners - a story that was widely known in Iraq before the revelations of torture made it to the good ol' USA. And still, those pictures won't be released.

Lock the whole Bush war team away in the Hague as they deserve. Then give 'em a quick trial and a good hanging just like they gave to Saddam. That would be apropos in my book.

erronis

(15,303 posts)
29. CACI has been an example of the crap around DC that will do ANYTHING for $$$s
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 10:39 PM
Feb 2018

I've worked for many of these bandits (not CACI but no better) and they will sell their children to get a contract.

Contracts with the DOD or better the "agencies" are non-regulated and involve a huge amount of money and favors trading hands with no accountability. Even if there is nominal accountability, the DOD/etc. won't pony up with any numbers.

I can name 100's of fly-by-night and quote/unquote established corporations that suck at the taxpayers' teats. And good luck trying to find out the flow of money. There is no honesty or patriotism among these thieves.

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