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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:04 PM Feb 2018

Did your college or university make the list? Almost 200 have so far,

Last edited Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:13 PM - Edit history (1)

according to the links compiled by "petey" at MIT.

These are the schools that have announced they won't be penalizing students in admissions decisions if their high schools discipline them for peacefully engaging in protests.

If it's not on the list, please consider calling your school about this, identifying yourself as an alum. Consider borrowing some of the ideas from the Dean of Admissions at MIT below. If they hear from enough of us, they will act.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EwaBE6-CdqN-AA1srviRoOxwZ7lOcLd-EtCU0DiqUh8/preview

Among the leaders was MIT, whose Dean of Admissions wrote this four days ago:

http://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/policies-principles-and-protests

As such, some students who have been admitted to MIT’s Class of 2022 have asked us if their acceptance will be rescinded if they are disciplined for joining the protests, while other applicants still under consideration are wondering if they have to choose between speaking out and getting in. We have already informed those who asked that, in this case, a disciplinary action associated with meaningful, peaceful participation in a protest will not negatively impact their admissions decision, because we would not view it as inappropriate or lacking integrity on its face. The purpose of this blog post is to communicate that fact more broadly and explain our reasoning as to why.

We have long held that students should not make decisions based on what they think will get them into college, but instead based on values and interests that are important to them. We believe students should follow compasses over maps, pursuing points of direction rather than specific destinations and trusting they will end up where they belong. As such, we always encourage students to undertake whatever course of action in life is most meaningful to, and consistent with, their own principles, and not prioritize how it might impact their college applications. We do not expect or prefer any particular choice in the abstract, and even if we did, it shouldn't change what students do.

SNIP

We also believe that civic responsibility is, like most things at MIT, something you learn best by doing: indeed, to be civically responsible is to put into practice the obligation we owe to each other and to the common good. At MIT our students govern and manage their residences, serve on influential committees that inform Institute affairs, make policy recommendations to serve social goals, and, yes, protest, at the local and national level. They've done all these things for generations. Indeed, the broad autonomy awarded to -- and the responsibility expected from -- MIT students is a core feature of our educational mission and culture: we hold our students to a high standard and give them a wide berth. It would be at best quixotic, and at worst hypocritical, if we treated our applicants differently, penalizing them for engaging in responsible, responsive citizenship as the students at Stoneman Douglas and elsewhere have done.

So: if any admitted students or applicants are disciplined by their high school for practicing responsible citizenship by engaging in peaceful, meaningful protest related to this (or any other) issue, we will still require them to report it to us. However, because we do not view such conduct on its face as inappropriate or inconsistent with their prior conduct, or anything we wouldn't applaud amongst our own students, it will not negatively impact their admissions outcome. We hope that this explanation will clarify the principles and policies that guide our decisions, articulate the importance of responsible citizenship, and give students the freedom to follow their own compasses wherever they lead.

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Did your college or university make the list? Almost 200 have so far, (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2018 OP
Only one out of three Alma Maters: University of New Hampshire aikoaiko Feb 2018 #1
UMASS-Amherst, yes! UT-Austin, no. flor-de-jasmim Feb 2018 #2
If one doesn't do anything criminal Throck Feb 2018 #3
The Common app for college requires applicants to list disciplinary actions, and some high schools pnwmom Feb 2018 #4
Some students have been told by their school authorities they'd face discipline gratuitous Feb 2018 #14
Shockingly none of my various military schools have put out a statement... Baconator Feb 2018 #5
Boston College janterry Feb 2018 #6
That's my alma mater, too (Reunion coming up this June, too!) Dorian Gray Feb 2018 #36
My alma mater, Macalester College, is on the list. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #7
Yo! State University of New York system (Potsdam, fierywoman Feb 2018 #8
Go Terps Old Terp Feb 2018 #9
Yay, Stanford. Made the list. mainer Feb 2018 #10
University of Pittsburgh... Freedomofspeech Feb 2018 #11
My alma mater has its pick of boring straight-A students with perfect or near perfect SAT scores. hunter Feb 2018 #12
My sister's alma mater rejected a classmate of mine with a 1590 SAT score crazycatlady Feb 2018 #16
All three of my alma maters are on the list!!! ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #13
Catholic U's language is a bit squishy. It has the same kind of language pnwmom Feb 2018 #19
Well, I count the degrees from CU and UConn more than the one from CUA ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #22
But if you called them as an alum, maybe it might help nudge them to take a stronger stand. pnwmom Feb 2018 #24
Just sent an email to the office of alums ProudLib72 Feb 2018 #28
Good for you! It's worth a shot! pnwmom Feb 2018 #31
Yes! St. Lawrence University! smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #15
I am proud to say, yes Nonhlanhla Feb 2018 #17
I am messaging U of Chicago for clarification. Really? It should be the home of free speech! Tatiana Feb 2018 #18
Good for you! Did you see the note at the bottom of the page about Chicago? n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #21
Knox College is there dsc Feb 2018 #20
Go Gators! They made the list. kydo Feb 2018 #23
Syracuse! Takket Feb 2018 #25
Mine isn't on the list (Quinnipiac) GP6971 Feb 2018 #26
Alright! Butterflylady Feb 2018 #27
Go Temple Owls! Freddie Feb 2018 #29
Georgia Tech alumni....time to make a call. we are not on the list! MLAA Feb 2018 #30
Time to write a letter liberal N proud Feb 2018 #32
Neither of my universities made the list Generic Brad Feb 2018 #33
Looks like I'll be making a call in the a.m. spartan61 Feb 2018 #34
I didn't see UCF - but they're way small. raven mad Feb 2018 #35
Go Villanova! iamateacher Feb 2018 #37

Throck

(2,520 posts)
3. If one doesn't do anything criminal
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:13 PM
Feb 2018

Big deal. Are they killing the First Amendment?

Are we puritans?

What next, turning my admission down because I post on DU?. Piss off academia.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
4. The Common app for college requires applicants to list disciplinary actions, and some high schools
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:16 PM
Feb 2018

have announced that they will be suspending or otherwise disciplining students who walk out or engage in other protests.

The colleges are responding to those threats.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
14. Some students have been told by their school authorities they'd face discipline
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 07:33 PM
Feb 2018

For some students, the prospect of a black mark on their permanent record (yeah, I know, but these are kids and the grown-ups who know better are bullying them with misinformation) might mean not getting into the school of their choice. This is why a bunch of colleges and universities are now reassuring skittish high schoolers that a suspension for protesting gun violence in schools wouldn't be held against them.

The bad actors here are the high school administrators telling the students in their keeping that the students shouldn't be advocating for the sake of their own lives. The other side of the coin is to tell the students that any such suspension is the price one sometimes has to pay for acting responsibly in a screwed-up world.

Baconator

(1,459 posts)
5. Shockingly none of my various military schools have put out a statement...
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:20 PM
Feb 2018

Any moment now... I'm sure...

Dorian Gray

(13,496 posts)
36. That's my alma mater, too (Reunion coming up this June, too!)
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 07:22 AM
Feb 2018

Was happy to see them on the list. Doesn't surprise me that the Jesuits would support protestors.

hunter

(38,317 posts)
12. My alma mater has its pick of boring straight-A students with perfect or near perfect SAT scores.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 07:27 PM
Feb 2018

Boring academic perfection doesn't get you in the door. (I'll confess I was one of their more, um, interesting students, not always in positive ways. The dean of my school, signing off on my graduation, told me, "I think you should apply to graduate school, Hunter. BUT NOT HERE." I think that was some kind of threat.)

The schools one of my kids graduated from, my wife's schools, and a school a niece of mine recently graduated from are on the list. Thankfully none of my immediate family is as "interesting" as I was, in that there's-no-meds-for-this-yet way. The only reason I'm still here is that there *are* meds for this now.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
13. All three of my alma maters are on the list!!!
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 07:27 PM
Feb 2018

CU Boulder, Catholic U of America, and UConn.

Guess I chose the right schools to attend.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
19. Catholic U's language is a bit squishy. It has the same kind of language
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 08:52 PM
Feb 2018

that University of Chicago had -- without an explicit promise not to penalize admitted students or applicants if their high school takes any disciplinary action against them for participating in protests. (A family member goes there, so I'd been curious, too.)

And the University of Chicago was removed from the list after refusing to make its position explicit.


Catholic University of America
Chris Lydon?
@ChrisLydon_8

To our current applicants and prospective future applicants - Catholic University supports students who choose to stand up for their beliefs.


UChicago?Verified account @UChicago

As many high school students express their heartfelt opposition to violence, we reaffirm the University of Chicago’s longstanding principles of free expression, and support students making their voices heard on this and other issues of national importance.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
22. Well, I count the degrees from CU and UConn more than the one from CUA
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:07 PM
Feb 2018

The program I went through at CUA was meh.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
24. But if you called them as an alum, maybe it might help nudge them to take a stronger stand.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:12 PM
Feb 2018

Just a thought.

There are many other Catholic schools with stronger statements on the list (including their rival Georgetown.)

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
31. Good for you! It's worth a shot!
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:46 PM
Feb 2018

I'm going to encourage my relative, too (but that person is more conservative, so I"m almost afraid to find out what he thinks).

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
18. I am messaging U of Chicago for clarification. Really? It should be the home of free speech!
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 07:45 PM
Feb 2018

That was a weaselly response. I hope they put out a stronger clarification. Students should not lose their acceptance because they engaged in peaceful protest.

dsc

(52,162 posts)
20. Knox College is there
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 08:55 PM
Feb 2018

I haven't looked yet but I would bet the University of MS isn't on the list.

kydo

(2,679 posts)
23. Go Gators! They made the list.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:07 PM
Feb 2018

Didn't see FSU, Miami (FL), USF or UCF. Just Florida. Ha Go Gators!!!

spartan61

(2,091 posts)
34. Looks like I'll be making a call in the a.m.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:12 PM
Feb 2018

My undergrad university (Michigan State) is not on the list. Happy to see my grad school is there. (UConn)

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
35. I didn't see UCF - but they're way small.
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 05:42 AM
Feb 2018

And I'd bet they would have no problem with anyone arrested for protesting. They knew it about me in 1972......... and I got in.

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