Malcom Nance On MSNBC Said It Best - "It Is Not Like In The Movies".

[TheMastersNemesis]

Even well trained soldiers might hesitate to shoot in a firefight. Any dalliance will get you killed right way. A person has to overcome the survival instinct and the hesitation instinct. Virtually no teacher would be prepared to start shooting. It is one of the most difficult things in the world.

When I was in Vietnam I was in only one incident in Vietnam in my first day in the field. My squad leader had just shot two VC. I was the 5 man down the column. As I ran up the hill I wondered if we were in for a firefight and what I would do. There was a lot of confusion but the event was already over before I got there.

Now even though I was trained in military tactics with my first experience it would have taken time to adjust. My squad leader was visibly shaken because he had never shot anyone before at close range. His training saved our machine gunner. But he was trained and fully ready being next behind point. And he had two open targets he surprised. Two VC tried to shoot our machine gunner, and their old carbine misfired from close range. As the gunner ran around the building they followed. The squad leader went the opposite direction and hit them with M-16 burst as they came around a corner in pursuit.

In a shooting situation the aggressor has superior advantage. Unless you are in a position to neutralize that advantage you are likely to lose in a fight. Plus several bullets would be on the way before your first shot. Target ID is a problem.

Plus Nance also said that once the police arrive teachers can easily be mistaken as much a threat as the shooter because shoot first will dominate.

[SunSeeker]

1. K & R

[TeamPooka]

2. Even in the movies: Saving Private Ryan, the guy who couldn't save his friend because he was scared.

[Vinca]

3. Everyone should listen to Malcom Nance.

He made a good point that if teachers are armed, how many will the police end up shooting while looking for the bad guys.

[NewJeffCT]

9. especially if the teacher is not white

why do I get the feeling that a disproportionate number of minority teachers would be killed in these situations.

[louis-t]

17. Don't be silly, they would find a way to NOT arm minority

teachers.

[Dennis Donovan]

4. Make sure you state who was in Vietnam...

The way you wrote this makes it sound like Malcolm was in Vietnam, when he was 12 when the war ended.

[TheMastersNemesis]

5. I Believe I Said That "I" Was In Only One Incident In Vietnam.

However I clarified it further.

[Dennis Donovan]

7. Yes, but your post title says "Malcolm Nance said it best"

...and you proceeded to tell your story without a proper segue.

[Stonepounder]

12. I think you are picking at nits.

I had no trouble reading the post - that part that was Nance and the part that was "I".

[Dennis Donovan]

13. No, it wasn't written well.

[pwb]

19. I understood it.

[lunatica]

6. He conjures a truly nightmare scenario

One that’s probably 100% possible.

There’s also the added possibility of students being shot by mistake by the teacher as everyone runs in a panic in every direction.

This whole thing has gone to crazy land!

[TheMastersNemesis]

8. With Multiple Casualties It Would Be Who Shot Who & Who Screwed Up. Liability Issues.

Then there would be second guessing and accusations and demands if a teacher killed some students in defense. We are so in the weeds on this issue.

[lunatica]

10. The need to make money and profit

is obviously not connected to intelligent reasoning.

This is just another indicator of Trump’s low IQ. In his case the mixture with Malignant Narcissism makes for a very dangerous person. He’s cunning as hell in how to make money but intellectually he’s below average. He doesn’t have or use any rational thinking at all. He is unable to connect the most rudimentary dots.

[FakeNoose]

14. That's exactly what the NRA is hoping for

It's total lunacy. We shouldn't even be discussing it.

The only thing we need to discuss is, how quickly can we ban the military assault rifles in America?
Secondly, how quickly can we confiscate every military assault weapon that's already out there in people's hands?
Even if the answer is "today" -- it's going to be 20 years before anyone is safe in this country.

[BigmanPigman]

15. We should start suing the NRA for endangering our health.

That would hit them where they live $$$$$$. I think it would bankrupt them considering the number of past shootings victims.

[BamaRefugee]

11. the key word, and the KEY KILLER in any school shooting with armed teachers is "CROSSFIRE"

There will be kids and others killed accidentally by well intentioned teachers. All you have to do is miss your target by a few inches and that bullet will continue on and hit anyone who is further down range, which could be dozens and dozens of people.

What do you think the first lawsuits for wrongful death by teachers will pay out at? I'll take a random guess and say $20 million per child. At that rate, schools will go bankrupt and no one will have to worry about a shooting in that school district ever again.

Republicans will be ecstatic though, more POORLY EDUCATED people.

[TomCADem]

16. But As President, Trump Takes The Heart Shaped Herb...

...which gives him enhanced strength and speed, and allows him to commune with former Presidents, as well as Captain America.

[BobTheSubgenius]

18. Regarding the last para.

I read an article a few days ago about a shooter who was overwhelmed by men from the congregation. One man wrestled the gun away from the failed attacker, just in time to catch the only shot fired - from the police who came rushing through the door.

So it's just a matter of training teachers to be better at target recognition than the police so they don't kill the wrong person by mistake....and to be better at not getting shot by someone evil, or deluded, than was Chris Kyle. Piece of cake. They only have to be a little more trained and capable than a SWAT team member, and a Navy SEAL sniper.

I can't see what could go wrong with such a well-thought out plan.

[FakeNoose]

20. Absolutely not!

Whatever incident you're referring to, it wasn't an automatic military-style assault rifle, like an AR-15 or similar. Maybe the guy had 6-shooter (revolver) or maybe a hunting rifle, I don't know. Whatever it was, it had limited ammunition and took time to reload. That's when people were able to sneak up and take it away from him.

With an AR-15 everyone in the church would already be dead before the magazine was enptied.

Training means nothing, prevention is everything. Military assault weapons must be banned here, like they're banned in every civilized country in the world.