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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:23 AM Feb 2018

Ivanka Trump either had classified info or embarrassed herself to Korean president: MSNBC analyst

“Ivanka Trump wasn’t just in South Korea to throw shade at snowboarders. The president’s daughter also “briefed” the president of South Korea on plans for sanctions against North Korea.

It’s significant on many different levels,” says Lu. “We are left now with the wholly unqualified presidential daughter providing a briefing to the president of one of our major allies about economic sanctions. So one of two things happened. Either she got access to classified information in order to do the briefing, which would be improper, or she simply gave President Moon a briefing that he probably could have read about in a newspaper, and that’s embarrassing.”


https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/ivanka-trump-either-classified-info-embarrassed-korean-president-msnbc-analyst/
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Ivanka Trump either had classified info or embarrassed herself to Korean president: MSNBC analyst (Original Post) ehrnst Feb 2018 OP
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I think that the embarassment comes with her lack of having any knowledge of the topic ehrnst Feb 2018 #2
Her father embarrasses himself (and the nation) every day whathehell Feb 2018 #4
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But doesn't she have an interim clearance, like Jared? So why is anyone pnwmom Feb 2018 #20
Remember when a family member fully qualified WhiteTara Feb 2018 #31
Harsh but True, WhiteTara. sheshe2 Feb 2018 #37
I find it embarrassing that that twit shanny Feb 2018 #5
Yup, What in her background gives her the right to represent the US? Old Vet Feb 2018 #23
Everything about this is embarassing . . . hatrack Feb 2018 #6
Agree...they probabely ran circles around Kremlin Barbie.. HipChick Feb 2018 #11
It's more than embarrassing, it's preposterous. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #36
"Lucky Sperm Club"? SergeStorms Feb 2018 #41
WTF? Everything is embarrassing about Little Trumpina having a role in our govt. FSogol Feb 2018 #7
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Сегодня у меня проблемы, товарищ? FSogol Feb 2018 #22
. Iggo Feb 2018 #25
Whoops, someone trolled poorly! FSogol Feb 2018 #26
LOL...one of the rare times I'm there to see the axe fall. Iggo Feb 2018 #27
He's the guy that was crowing that Trumpy increased his take home pay. Must remember FSogol Feb 2018 #30
She was not approved by the Senate NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #12
Haven't they said she has interim clearance? Not that I think she SHOULD, pnwmom Feb 2018 #21
I heard that too. Also, the president can flibbitygiblets Feb 2018 #24
Interim clearance because she can't clear the comprehensive background check pandr32 Feb 2018 #29
On the contrary. Everything about this is OldHippieChick Feb 2018 #14
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I have no idea. You are the one bringing this OldHippieChick Feb 2018 #17
Sanctions... babylonsister Feb 2018 #18
K&R stonecutter357 Feb 2018 #3
Oh well, we live in a monarchy now, so what's the problem? enough Feb 2018 #8
a little from column A and a little from column b, what she said was... Javaman Feb 2018 #10
If we had an ambassador there, we might know more. TNNurse Feb 2018 #16
Meanwhile on Fox newz they are talking about how mean that Olympic athlete was to Ivanka on Twitter. progressoid Feb 2018 #19
Substitute the name Chelsea Clinton for Funtatlaguy Feb 2018 #28
All embarrassment rests on the GOP. dchill Feb 2018 #32
On the bright side, who can follow her Deb Feb 2018 #33
Princess Ivanka, wed to Crown Prince Jared... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #34
Daddy is the Mad King, so she's the Crown Princess (heir apparent) & Jared is Prince Consort... Hekate Feb 2018 #42
I bow to your superior knowledge of Royal titles... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #43
Chris Matthews keeps calling them The Romanovs, possibly out of a subconscious hope ... Hekate Feb 2018 #44
It's not Ivanka, its her dad's inability to put together a competent administration karynnj Feb 2018 #35
Ivanka is a grownup with aspirations to the Oval Office. ehrnst Feb 2018 #39
I certainly am NOT excusing her in any way - I am accusing her of things that should be why karynnj Feb 2018 #40
OH ho ho ho ho ha ha ha.... THIS SHE WILL NEVER GET, NO MATTER onecent Feb 2018 #45
Thank you, ehrnst. Cha Feb 2018 #38

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ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
2. I think that the embarassment comes with her lack of having any knowledge of the topic
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:28 AM
Feb 2018

Last edited Mon Feb 26, 2018, 12:06 PM - Edit history (1)

that's classified, and being considered the best candidate to meet with them.

Response to whathehell (Reply #4)

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
20. But doesn't she have an interim clearance, like Jared? So why is anyone
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:02 AM
Feb 2018

assuming she hadn't seen classified information?

WhiteTara

(29,718 posts)
31. Remember when a family member fully qualified
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:53 AM
Feb 2018

on the subject was the wife a president and the republicons excoriated her.

This woman can't even multiply...saw a Howard Stern segment...has NO security clearance and no expertise in the subject. But she does have botox access and sports a perfectly airbrushed face.

hatrack

(59,587 posts)
6. Everything about this is embarassing . . .
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:36 AM
Feb 2018

A clueless little girl, who's floated through life on a golden raft of Daddy's Money, is "negotiating" with a foreign power.

Without experience, without training, without education, without anything but Lucky Sperm Club membership, she's been dispatched to ooze her breathy clueless smarm to the leaders of an important ally and a major industrial nation - people who take their responsibilities seriously, and who know what they're talking about.

If this is beyond your understanding, well, it sucks to be you.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
36. It's more than embarrassing, it's preposterous.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 12:42 PM
Feb 2018

Who in their right mind gave the go-ahead for this brainless bimbo to go negotiate with a key ally regarding the highly volatile situation with effing North Korea! FFS, not only is she not qualified, she is an absolute joke! I realize that we currently have no ambassador to South Korea, but at least send someone who has some diplomatic experience! I feel like we are living in the fucking Twilight Zone!

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
41. "Lucky Sperm Club"?
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 02:08 AM
Feb 2018

I don't know about that. Even with his supposed wealth, I wouldn't want Trump for a father under any circumstances. I'd rather have a poor, honest man for a father than a self-centered, lying piece of crap like Trump. Many might call her a member of the "Lucky Sperm Club", but I refuse to be counted among that number.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
7. WTF? Everything is embarrassing about Little Trumpina having a role in our govt.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 09:38 AM
Feb 2018

Korea is laughing at us.

Response to FSogol (Reply #7)

Iggo

(47,558 posts)
27. LOL...one of the rare times I'm there to see the axe fall.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:36 AM
Feb 2018

And the DU version of whack-a-mole continues.

FSogol

(45,488 posts)
30. He's the guy that was crowing that Trumpy increased his take home pay. Must remember
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:39 AM
Feb 2018

to buy the next round for MIRT.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
12. She was not approved by the Senate
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 10:12 AM
Feb 2018

to say the least, so should not be discussing politics with another country's political leadership as a representative of the country.

If she had access to classified documents, it's another security breach by this White House.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
21. Haven't they said she has interim clearance? Not that I think she SHOULD,
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:02 AM
Feb 2018

but I think I heard she did.

flibbitygiblets

(7,220 posts)
24. I heard that too. Also, the president can
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:26 AM
Feb 2018

"clear" anyone he wants, so it's a technically moot point. The fact that she can't GET a regular, permanent clearance is the point. A point that congress should be hollering about, except IOIYAR naturally.

pandr32

(11,588 posts)
29. Interim clearance because she can't clear the comprehensive background check
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:39 AM
Feb 2018

She and her husband are basically government security risks due to all the ties to foreign investors and neither should be given interim clearance--it boggles the mind, but then what do you do when the usurper POTUS appoints them to upper roles in his administration? They've both been operating on interim clearances for over a year now.

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
14. On the contrary. Everything about this is
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 10:32 AM
Feb 2018

embarrassing and not because MSNBC said so. She has no security clearance so she should not be handling any classified matters. If she acted as if she had access to classified info in approaching the President of S. Korea she embarrasses herself as well as all of us. What part of this do you not understand?

Response to OldHippieChick (Reply #14)

OldHippieChick

(2,434 posts)
17. I have no idea. You are the one bringing this
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 10:37 AM
Feb 2018

to our attention, not me. It really doesn't matter what their conversation was if she was there under false pretenses.

Javaman

(62,530 posts)
10. a little from column A and a little from column b, what she said was...
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 10:04 AM
Feb 2018

"start building fallout shelters".

Funtatlaguy

(10,879 posts)
28. Substitute the name Chelsea Clinton for
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:37 AM
Feb 2018

Ivanka Trump.
Imagine how right wing heads would have exploded.
But, now with Trump, only crickets.
Incredible.

dchill

(38,505 posts)
32. All embarrassment rests on the GOP.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:55 AM
Feb 2018

They have enabled this world-threatening crap show to an ever-increasing degree to the point of traitorous collaboration. Embarrassment is the least of the penalties that karma owes them.

Deb

(3,742 posts)
33. On the bright side, who can follow her
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:55 AM
Feb 2018

as she speaks eloquently in practiced whispers of monotones? She's Charlie Brown's teacher on the top shelf in any language.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
42. Daddy is the Mad King, so she's the Crown Princess (heir apparent) & Jared is Prince Consort...
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:06 AM
Feb 2018

...because he married her. Prince Beavis and Prince Butthead don't seem to have much standing.

There, all explained.

What a disgusting family of grifters.

Wounded Bear

(58,670 posts)
43. I bow to your superior knowledge of Royal titles...
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 11:03 AM
Feb 2018

there was a time when that didn't matter to us Americans.

Hekate

(90,714 posts)
44. Chris Matthews keeps calling them The Romanovs, possibly out of a subconscious hope ...
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 03:29 PM
Feb 2018

...that they will meet a similar fate, but I contend the actual Romanovs had a great deal more class in their upper-class ruling-class ways (altho horrid enough) than the parvenu nouveau riche crass and classless Trumps.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
35. It's not Ivanka, its her dad's inability to put together a competent administration
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 12:34 PM
Feb 2018

His choices as reflect how people acted towards him in the past. Then consider that Tillerson, with no background in either government or diplomacy, has taken on as his top task cutting the State Department. I know that there are companies where new CEOs call in "experts" to downsize the company. I can't think of any former businessman doing the same thing to a major government department. This ignores that government has extremely different goals than a business - they are not driven by short term shareholder gain.

If the US had a South Korean ambassador, he or she would have communicated that information. Without one, normally there would be some deputy State Department person with that regional responsibility that could be sent. The Secretary himself could be sent. There were times where important work was done by WH people - including people like Susan Rice, McDonough, Rhodes etc - but they ALL had clearances and most had very serious foreign policy backgrounds or had years where they were in the room when national security decisions were made.

With Ivanka, she has no clearance and she might have many of the same problems that Kushner has. In addition to being the wife of Kushner, her own efforts include Trump properties in Panama where it seems that the Trump labeled building was used for money laundering and partners included criminals ( https://www.nbcnews.com/news/investigations/panama-tower-carries-trump-s-name-ties-organized-crime-n821706 ) and the Azerbaijan hotel where they partnered with the Revolutionary Guard of Iran ( https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/03/13/donald-trumps-worst-deal ) Either of these two would seem to raise HUGE security questions.

In addition, nothing in her background suggests that she has the diplomatic skills or the knowledge of the tricky foreign policy involved in North Korea. It is 100% clear that her ONLY credential is being Trump's daughter. This is enough for her to represent the US at the Olympics -- as many First Ladies have. It is pretty much ceremonial and it seems she handled it better than the VP did.

 

ehrnst

(32,640 posts)
39. Ivanka is a grownup with aspirations to the Oval Office.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 07:42 PM
Feb 2018

Yes, I think we can hold her accountable for her own actions.

karynnj

(59,504 posts)
40. I certainly am NOT excusing her in any way - I am accusing her of things that should be why
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 08:00 PM
Feb 2018

she can not get a clearance and/or why she could be more likely to do jail time than run for office!

onecent

(6,096 posts)
45. OH ho ho ho ho ha ha ha.... THIS SHE WILL NEVER GET, NO MATTER
Tue Feb 27, 2018, 04:31 PM
Feb 2018

WHO SHE BATS HER EYELASHES OR HER BOOB JOB......

still laughing.........................

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