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Adam Schiff: For those who wonder how "collusion" might be charged... (Original Post) triron Feb 2018 OP
Good! IluvPitties Feb 2018 #1
"....conspired with persons known and unknown to the jury". But all known to Mueller. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #2
probably so. triron Feb 2018 #8
...persons known and UNKNOWN to the jury." japple Feb 2018 #24
No collusion! No collusion! -CONSPIRACY- nt Leghorn21 Feb 2018 #3
YES! elleng Feb 2018 #6
It's CONSPIRACY. elleng Feb 2018 #4
Trump Makes El Chapo (Drug Lord) Look Like An Aspirin Salesman.. Grassy Knoll Feb 2018 #5
Mueller is building his case from the ground up Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #7
excellent post triron Feb 2018 #9
Thanks for keeping the information flowing, triron Mr. Ected Feb 2018 #11
Citizen's United opened a VPN between the dark money web and American politics. Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #10
How do we get rid of that? SergeStorms Feb 2018 #17
Well spoken. byronius Feb 2018 #21
ditto on the excellent post! yonder Feb 2018 #22
Does this include Ryan, McConnell, Nunes, etc BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #12
Yes. That is the saddest part of all. But I want to focus on ending it first. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #14
Dare I dream? I will. I will dare to dream this Russian infiltration of our govt will end soon. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #13
The 13 count Russian indictment has to give them pause. The bear is out of the bag and Pappa Fred Sanders Feb 2018 #20
Hint, hint... czarjak Feb 2018 #15
"Collusion" has been deliberately kept by the right because it's not a defined crime, Kablooie Feb 2018 #16
i sure the fuck hope 2014 includes the fact that for some reason certainot Feb 2018 #18
"Conspiracy" Hekate Feb 2018 #19
Jus' got off the phone w/ his Burbank office. sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #23
The entirety of your beliefs do not have to be mine, nor mine yours. BobTheSubgenius Feb 2018 #25
And all the best regards in that what you ascribe to. sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #26

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
2. "....conspired with persons known and unknown to the jury". But all known to Mueller.
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 11:34 PM
Feb 2018

Since the 13 indicted were the Russians, then the persons known and unknown to the jury must be Americans, either willing or unwilling co-conspirators. Indictments against Americans legally more challenging, and would need higher standard of evidence.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
7. Mueller is building his case from the ground up
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 11:50 PM
Feb 2018

The foundation of his investigation is proving that Russia peddled its influence on the American elections. That's what this indictment does. Next in line is to develop a nexus between those indicted parties and their American counterparts. The web of criminality will spread far and wide. I think it will end up shocking us as to how many of our fellow Americans were complicit in the deceit. Most of them have become so rabidly partisan that they probably thought that their actions were justified and probably too stupid to realize that they were felonies. They've been fed the bullshit line that their worst enemy isn't the Russian interloper intent on discrediting and deconstructing America, but rather the liberal that they call their neighbor, the person who wants equal rights for all and fairness and liberty and a basic infrastructure that protects all of us in a land that can certainly afford it. They've preyed on the divisiveness inherent in modern America; in unchecked Capitalism with a capital C; in distorting rights that place us in peril and limiting those that give us our voice.

I pray that Mueller and his team are the one check and balance that our complicit Republican Congress refuses to be.

After Bush, America breathed a heavy sigh of relief that we would not allow ourselves to be duped again by charlatans and warmongers. We became complacent, mistakes were made, and Russian interference attacked us when we were weak and where we were most vulnerable.

If Mueller can restore order and justice, even temporarily, my hope is that we learn from this experience and take forceful measures that guarantee that the 30% of Americans who would gladly enable fascism are never again allowed to rule our government.

Mr. Ected

(9,670 posts)
11. Thanks for keeping the information flowing, triron
Sun Feb 25, 2018, 11:55 PM
Feb 2018

Your posts have become personal favorites of mine.

(edited to add: "except for the new one on Arctic warming, which scares the living bejebus out of me".

SergeStorms

(19,204 posts)
17. How do we get rid of that?
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:08 AM
Feb 2018

With a right-wing stacked Supreme Court it seems as if we're stuck with this colossal boondoggle for quite some time to come. We desperately need campaign finance reform and term limits, and Citizens United? That needs to be blown to smithereens, with no pieces left large enough to resurrect.

BigmanPigman

(51,611 posts)
12. Does this include Ryan, McConnell, Nunes, etc
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 12:05 AM
Feb 2018

which has filtered down to effecting the SCOTUS for the nest 20+ years? What about all the Exec Orders and the new immigration, healthcare, and tax laws that have resulted in one year alone?!? What about our status as a respected country and world leader which valued Science and wanted to fight Climate Change? The list of damages is beyond comprehension from the treasonous bastards that did it all for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and power. There isn't a harsh enough punishment for them. The sad thing is that I doubt I will see my country recover in my lifetime or in the next 20 years.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
14. Yes. That is the saddest part of all. But I want to focus on ending it first.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 12:19 AM
Feb 2018

To paraphrase Scarlet O'Hara, I'll think about those other things tomorrow.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
13. Dare I dream? I will. I will dare to dream this Russian infiltration of our govt will end soon.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 12:18 AM
Feb 2018

Schiff has stepped up to the plate during this whole thing. I don't know how he does it. He's faced with the Russian lackey Repubs, even on the Intelligence Committee, on a daily basis.

Imagine what he's seen that we haven't.

Fred Sanders

(23,946 posts)
20. The 13 count Russian indictment has to give them pause. The bear is out of the bag and Pappa
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 10:46 AM
Feb 2018

Bear can not be pleased his Chef has been indicted and would be handcuffed in most other countries now, on touchdown.

Kablooie

(18,634 posts)
16. "Collusion" has been deliberately kept by the right because it's not a defined crime,
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:03 AM
Feb 2018

"Conspiracy" is.

 

certainot

(9,090 posts)
18. i sure the fuck hope 2014 includes the fact that for some reason
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 02:34 AM
Feb 2018

city boy trump decided to pay sam nunberg to listen to 1000s of hours of talk radio in 2014 to plan their election strategy - according to gabriel sherman ny magazine 4/3/16

talk radio has played a dominant part in this disaster and it needs to get some 'credit'

sprinkleeninow

(20,252 posts)
23. Jus' got off the phone w/ his Burbank office.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 06:47 PM
Feb 2018

I lavished praise on him in profusion. Again.

I read the 'Infantile's' collective playground names he contrived for The Most Excellent Adam Schiff.

Feel like busting one of my body's gaskets.

'Infantile's' doing damage to my wellness.

Said b4, I am Orthodox Christian 'practitioner' and we submit names that are read each and every service in front of our altar and Adam's name is spoken along with Robert's (you know who) for wisdom, protection and strength.

Please don't shout me down for saying that. Thanx.

BobTheSubgenius

(11,564 posts)
25. The entirety of your beliefs do not have to be mine, nor mine yours.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 10:35 PM
Feb 2018

I very much suspect that the things on which we agree - the ethos of any well-meaning person intended for the common good - are external and of more consequence to the collective, while any points of divergence are personal and private.

This is not an "enemy of my enemy" paradigm. All best wishes to you and your beliefs.

sprinkleeninow

(20,252 posts)
26. And all the best regards in that what you ascribe to.
Mon Feb 26, 2018, 11:31 PM
Feb 2018

I embrace my Faith voluntarily. It's a vehicle for me. What I do with it in re: requesting intercession for any, does my heart good. It cannot be detrimental.

If I am sincere in following The Way, I am exhorted to "pray one for another".

A full fledged Democrat since 1965. I have difficulty speaking out to other 'christians' who are not and have the spectre on them for being responsible for the brazen one in the oval office.

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