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RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 04:48 PM Feb 2018

NBC News: Why next year's flu vaccine will be lousy, too

Maybe Trump can get off his ass and do something about this, than taking positions with the NRA that kill people!

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/why-next-year-s-flu-vaccine-will-be-lousy-too-n850641

Work started this week on next season’s flu vaccine, with experts working off forecasts about which strains of the influenza virus will be making the rounds.

But flu experts are already admitting that most vaccines will give at best mediocre protection, because they’re based on outdated technology.

It’s not a new problem, but one that the slow-moving world of drug and vaccine production seems helpless to improve upon.

“You can’t change on the drop of a dime,” said Scott Hensley of the University of Pennsylvania, an influenza virus expert.

The process of making flu vaccines starts months before the actual flu season gets under way because it takes a long time to make them using the current technology.
A yearly cocktail

Every flu vaccine is a cocktail, aimed at either three or four of the most common flu strains. Flu vaccines must be reformulated every year, because flu viruses mutate constantly in a process called antigenic drift.

In recent years, flu vaccines have been based on H1N1, H3N2 and either one or two strains of influenza B virus. Each of these has a “reference” strain that has particular mutations to match the current drift.

Using eggs is a tricky and unpredictable process. Sometimes the virus doesn’t grow well in eggs, which can mean less vaccine than anticipated. And Hensley’s lab identified several mutations that occur when flu viruses are grown in eggs as part of the vaccine-making process.

In fact, the viruses must mutate to grow in eggs, Hensley said. In some cases, the mutations make little difference in the vaccine-making process.

But in recent years, the H3N2 strains have mutated in a way that makes them harder for the human immune system to see. “The egg-adapted strains all have the mutation,” Hensley said.

The result is a flu vaccine that doesn’t offer much protection. In part because of the egg mutations, this year’s flu vaccine only has provided about 36 percent protection, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention estimates. And the vaccine was overall only 25 percent protective against H3N2, meaning it lowered the risk of developing illness serious enough to go see a doctor by 25 percent.

“As long as we have eggs we are going to have this problem,” Hensley said — and other flu vaccine experts agree.

“The only solution is not to depend on eggs,” Hensley said.

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MontanaMama

(23,324 posts)
1. Sitting at the doctor now
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:39 PM
Feb 2018

waiting to get my kiddo tested for influenza. Seems we should be proactively working to update our outdated technology for this instead of reacting to the next pandemic.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
5. We're often such a backward country. Given the money and resources, I bet they could come up
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:52 PM
Feb 2018

with a solution fast. Humanity can spend zillions to kill each other off on a planet currently the only one known to support life, but spending money on things such as this, not a big priority. So often it's all about mourning, prayers and shenanigans, but a proactive disciplined approach with proper funding falls by the wayside. My fear is a major virus will strike one day killing of a large portion of humanity, but spending money on WMD was seen as a greater priority by humanity than health.

octoberlib

(14,971 posts)
3. I'll still be getting my shot like I do every year but if we don't get rid of Trump soon
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:46 PM
Feb 2018

he'll literally be the death of us all.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
7. Same here, I always get the shot. Trump and the GOP, the party of death, will eventually do in
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:56 PM
Feb 2018

millions of people. It's what they are all about IMO.

ProudLib72

(17,984 posts)
4. BTW: Tesla in SPACE!!!
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:47 PM
Feb 2018

Yep, I'm thinking private funding is the only way to get things done anymore. Our government can't do shit.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
8. As long as people keep voting sociopaths and gangsters into office, that is our best hope, private
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 05:58 PM
Feb 2018

funding. Under Trump and the GOP, the party of death, there is not much hope for the future of the US. They don't give a damn about the country or the people. ... or the future of the US.


Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
9. Theres one
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:03 PM
Feb 2018

Made with worms now too which should be more effective. And another being worked on that is totally different which may not be necessary every year and which will be much more effective. Getting the shot will lessen the severity of the flu in most cases I think and help save lives so if you’re high risk and don’t have a severe reaction it’s with getting it anyway.

RKP5637

(67,111 posts)
10. Definitely!!! IMO getting the shot should always be a top priority if one can do it. ... also for
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:07 PM
Feb 2018

pneumonia!

Meowmee

(5,164 posts)
11. Yep- theres a new improved penumonis shot now
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:47 PM
Feb 2018

I was not planning to get the flu shot this year because I had a bad reaction to the pneumonia shot and flu shot given at the same time last time I had one 3 years ago and then I got the flu anyway. Lol. But so many people were dying this year and I’m high risk and so is my elderly father etc so I did. No regrets. I do have terrible reflux now from taking aleve to combat the reaction which wasn’t as bad this time. The doc did the shot in the back of my arm which was less painful but I still get a flu like reaction while building immunity.

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