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Friday TOON Roundup 2 - Russians (Original Post) n2doc Feb 2018 OP
So our legit concerns over Russian trolls is because we want to nuke Russia? emulatorloo Feb 2018 #1
I've never seen a cartoon defending Russian bots Progressive dog Feb 2018 #2
It is classic whataboutism too. As well as a defense of whataboutism as a propaganda technique emulatorloo Feb 2018 #3
It got my attention, too. marble falls Feb 2018 #6
Thats exactly what its doing. Its insulting and misrepresenting the situation. poboy2 Feb 2018 #8
all toons planetc Feb 2018 #4
K & R...nt Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #5
Great toons dalton99a Feb 2018 #7
+1 uponit7771 Feb 2018 #9
Thanks Doc :) Dyedinthewoolliberal Feb 2018 #10
Thank you for the cartoons Gothmog Feb 2018 #11
Russian doping! PatSeg Feb 2018 #12

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
1. So our legit concerns over Russian trolls is because we want to nuke Russia?
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:05 AM
Feb 2018

Fuck that noise.

Thanks for the other cartoons! Appreciate what you do

emulatorloo

(44,133 posts)
3. It is classic whataboutism too. As well as a defense of whataboutism as a propaganda technique
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:39 AM
Feb 2018
What About "Whataboutism?"
If everyone is guilty of something, is no one guilty of anything?

https://www.merriam-webster.com/words-at-play/whataboutism-origin-meaning

Some of the terms we use to describe political rhetoric are as old as politics itself (see ad hominem attacks, or such devices as synecdoche, metonymy, or zeugma). Others are more recent additions, driven by the evolution of the news cycle (like fake news and dog whistles).

But hey, aren’t we ignoring a bigger subject here? How can we talk about rhetorical devices and not mention whataboutism?

Essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse

Whataboutism gives a clue to its meaning in its name. It is not merely the changing of a subject ("What about the economy?" ) to deflect away from an earlier subject as a political strategy; it’s essentially a reversal of accusation, arguing that an opponent is guilty of an offense just as egregious or worse than what the original party was accused of doing, however unconnected the offenses may be.

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The association of whataboutism with the Soviet Union began during the Cold War. As the regimes of Josef Stalin and his successors were criticized by the West for human rights atrocities, the Soviet propaganda machine would be ready with a comeback alleging atrocities of equal reprehensibility for which the West was guilty.

The weaknesses of whataboutism—which dictates that no one must get away with an attack on the Kremlin's abuses without tossing a few bricks at South Africa, no one must indict the Cuban police State without castigating President Park, no one must mention Irak, Libya or the PLO without having a bash at Israel, &c. – have been canvassed in this column before.
—Michael Bernard, The Age (Melbourne, Victoria, Australia), 17 Jun. 1978


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Before the 2016 presidential election, more instances of whataboutism applied to criticism among regimes than between individual politicians:

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Since the Cold War, Moscow has engaged in a political points-scoring exercise known as "whataboutism" used to shut down criticism of Russia's own rights record by pointing out abuses elsewhere. All criticism of Russia is invalid, the idea goes, because problems exist in other countries too.
—Max Seddon, Buzzfeed, 25 Nov. 2014


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The term is seeing a bit of a renaissance in our current political climate. Philip Bump writes in The Washington Post that President Donald Trump has utilized whataboutism frequently as a way of deflecting criticism for his actions, such as his pardon of former Arizona sheriff Joe Arpaio.

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Time will tell if whataboutism can persuade its way into the language, but its recent upswing in usage suggests it may have staying power. At least until someone changes the subject.

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Much more at link.
 

poboy2

(2,078 posts)
8. Thats exactly what its doing. Its insulting and misrepresenting the situation.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:54 AM
Feb 2018

Are we not supposed to want our democracy protected from foreign interference?

Nobody wants to 'nuke Russia'. Fucking bullshit

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