Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference

[emulatorloo]

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/21/bernie-sanders-trump-russia-interference-420528

Bernie blames Hillary for allowing Russian interference
The senator and his top political adviser also denied Mueller's assertion that Russian actors backed his campaign.
By EDWARD-ISAAC DOVERE 02/21/2018 06:45 PM EST Updated 02/21/2018 09:48 PM EST

Bernie Sanders on Wednesday blamed Hillary Clinton for not doing more to stop the Russian attack on the last presidential election. Then his 2016 campaign manager, in an interview with POLITICO, said he’s seen no evidence to support special counsel Robert Mueller's assertion in an indictment last week that the Russian operation had backed Sanders' campaign.

The remarks showed Sanders, running for a third term and currently considered a front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination in 2020, deeply defensive in response to questions posed to him about what was laid out in the indictment. He attempted to thread a response that blasts Donald Trump for refusing to acknowledge that Russians helped his campaign — but then holds himself harmless for a nearly identical denial.

In doing so, Sanders and his former campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, presented a series of self-serving statements that were not accurate, and that track with efforts by Trump and his supporters to undermine the credibility of the Mueller probe.

“The real question to be asked is what was the Clinton campaign [doing about Russian interference]? They had more information about this than we did,” Sanders said in the interview with Vermont Public Radio.

More at link.

[Historic NY]

1. Enough no more Bernie here he isn't a democrat.

[Eyeball_Kid]

2. This is a damaging story, but not for the more obvious reason.

Forget this stuff. We need to move on and deal with Russian interference. Truth be told, they probably MANAGED the election. Whether or not their impact had that kind of significance, our nation is in real danger. It depends on elections.

[Cha]

40. Sanders is a divider with this baloney..

It is damaging to him.

Here is the Warning Hillary gave us all, about Russia 2016 influence

http://people.com/politics/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-hack-debate-russia/

October 19, 2016 10:21 PM
Hillary Clinton was ready when the WikiLeaks hack of her campaign chairman, John Podesta, came up during the third and final presidential debate on Wednesday night.

After the moderator Chris Wallace quoted a line from a speech Clinton gave to a Brazilian bank – revealed in the hacked emails – the Democratic nominee took it as an opportunity to point out what she sees as the biggest takeaway from the WikiLeaks hack – the Russian government’s alleged involvement.

“You are very clearly quoting from WikiLeaks and what’s really important about WikiLeaks is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans,” Clinton told Wallace.

“They have hacked American websites, American accounts of private people, of institutions, then they have given that information to WikiLeaks for the purpose of putting it on the Internet,” she added.

“This has come from the highest levels of the Russian government, clearly from [Vladimir] Putin himself, in an effort – as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed – to influence our election.

“So I actually think the most important question of this evening, Chris, is finally will Donald Trump admit that the Russians are doing this and that he rejects Russian espionage?”
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Hillary Clinton knew of the Russian influence, warned us, & publicly stated it with Sen Sanders, Chris Wallace & the world listening to her words.

Everybody did know. Hillary warned us all.

Wwcd https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10271608

[LexVegas]

3. I just saw video and heard audio of this on MSNBC. Disgusting.

I made the right choice there. Not even close.

[global1]

23. Did You See This On The Ari Melber Show?.....

I noticed that since that 13 person indictment came down - Melber has been picking on Bernie. I don't hear that from any of the other hosts of MSNBC programs - only Melber. I was going to ask here if anybody else sensed that Melber has it in for Bernie?

I can understand the Russians helping Bernie during the primaries -- because they like the Repugs followed the ABC's - Anybody But Clinton. But after Hillary won the Dem nomination - there was no need for the Russians to continue to support Bernie. The damage they did by dividing the Party during the primary spilled over to the General and some Bernie supporters didn't vote for Hillary. This is when the Russians turned their attention to supporting Trump and taking down Hillary any chance they got.

I really don't think Bernie had an inkling that he was getting any kind of Russian support during the primary.

Bottom line the Repugs and Trump were the beneficiaries of the Russian interference. If they would have been successful with knocking Hillary out of the primary and Bernie became the nominee - they - the Russians would have turned all their attention on Trump and would have done everything in their power to elect Trump and not Bernie.

[bettyellen]

30. The Hillary bashing from progressives intensified after the primary was over- continued

during the DNC-we all saw that- and beyond. Many of us could see people on the left sharing crap from Wiki and RT as if it wasn’t RW propaganda. They suppressed support for her the whole year/ including the last months.

[ismnotwasm]

33. And I for one, have no intentions of getting over it.

Being a Clinton supporter through the primaries and the election was like being in a t-bone car wreck in slow motion. I’m still pissed off.

[bettyellen]

34. A friend of mine pretends to be shocked about the Russian thing- but I pointed it out he was sharing

Their bullshit on FB all through late spring and summer. He had an “all’s fair” attitude about it, and of course Trump is not horribly effecting his life, so....

[emulatorloo]

35. The gaslighting gets old, doesnt it?

[ismnotwasm]

36. Yes it does.

Validation doesn’t feel good either because we have a monster in the White House.

[bettyellen]

41. Hes not the o my one I noticed that pretended they had firmly held convictions / political concerns

That forced them to hate in HRC.. and yet, they don’t seem to give a shit about those things today. I saw a lot of people get swept up in the hatred- yet they accused others of exactly that. Remember Manny? What a joke.

[emulatorloo]

44. Oh I remember it all

Don’t get me started. Will just say how amazing it was to see self-avowed progressives kissing that egregious right-wing hack Joe DiGenova’s ass, like he was some fountain of truth. Fucking FOX “legal expert”. Just the tip of the iceberg.

[jrthin]

37. I share your sentiment. I've had a difficult time

Forgiving people for the crap they have willfully put us in.

[betsuni]

59. Me neither. I saw the sentence in the article about Sanders being the front-runner for 2020

and immediately thought ANOINTED APPOINTED CROWNED CORONATION RIGGED and had to slap myself -- all those stupid buzzwords are still in my head taking up much needed space.

[walkingman]

4. I was/am a Bernie supporter but it is time to forget the past and move to reject the GOP in 2018.

[comradebillyboy]

6. Then it would help if Bernie stopped attacking Clinton.

[Cha]

42. Exactly, comradebillyboy.. BS needs to STOP

being the divider with this disingenuous crap.. what's his game?

Here is the Warning Hillary gave us all, about Russia 2016 influence

http://people.com/politics/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-hack-debate-russia/

October 19, 2016 10:21 PM
Hillary Clinton was ready when the WikiLeaks hack of her campaign chairman, John Podesta, came up during the third and final presidential debate on Wednesday night.

After the moderator Chris Wallace quoted a line from a speech Clinton gave to a Brazilian bank – revealed in the hacked emails – the Democratic nominee took it as an opportunity to point out what she sees as the biggest takeaway from the WikiLeaks hack – the Russian government’s alleged involvement.

“You are very clearly quoting from WikiLeaks and what’s really important about WikiLeaks is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans,” Clinton told Wallace.

“They have hacked American websites, American accounts of private people, of institutions, then they have given that information to WikiLeaks for the purpose of putting it on the Internet,” she added.

“This has come from the highest levels of the Russian government, clearly from [Vladimir] Putin himself, in an effort – as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed – to influence our election.

“So I actually think the most important question of this evening, Chris, is finally will Donald Trump admit that the Russians are doing this and that he rejects Russian espionage?”
----------

Hillary Clinton knew of the Russian influence, warned us, & publicly stated it with Sen Sanders, Chris Wallace & the world listening to her words.

Everybody did know. Hillary warned us all.

Wwcd https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10271608

[BoneyardDem]

9. really...you think Bernie is doing the right thing by America in 2018?

It's difficult to move on when posters here keep up the rah rah promotions, and Bernie continues to insult the person who garnered more votes than he did and more votes than Trump did.

[emulatorloo]

13. This is current news. Sanders and Weavers argument mirrors that of Trump

These things were said on Feb 21, 2018.

—————-

“The factual underpinning of that in the indictment is what? Zero,” Weaver said. “I have not seen any evidence of support for Bernie Sanders.”

Sanders’ and Weaver's argument mirrors that of Trump, who has argued in a days-long series of tweets that the Russians were not supporting him. The president has blamed his nemesis, Barack Obama, for not doing enough to stop Russian disruption in the campaign.

“If all of the Russian meddling took place during the Obama Administration, right up to January 20th, why aren’t they the subject of the investigation?” Trump tweeted Wednesday morning. He earlier said that "some 400-pound genius sitting in bed and playing with his computer" could have been responsible for the activities attributed to Russians.

Sanders repeatedly refused to say why he didn’t call out Russian involvement during the campaign. Clinton's campaign regularly raised suspicions of Kremlin-backed activity during the home stretch of the race.

[IADEMO2004]

54. +++++++++++ !!!

[sheshe2]

55. I am all for 2018.

However I will never forget the stolen election that Mueller brings out of the darkness and further into the light everyday.

I want all connected in jail. trump and the GOP are traitors.

[LexVegas]

7. ...

[Eliot Rosewater]

10. Stirring what up?

I have to laugh my ASS off thinking about what certain folks would say if this was Hillary doing this shit.

[LexVegas]

11. Stirring up current news. nt

[Eliot Rosewater]

12. Current news that has tremendous impact on the future.

I wish I could talk about it, but it is still not safe to do so here.

[LexVegas]

14. Yeah, gotta be careful. nt

[sarah FAILIN]

28. Some people want current news buried in the past too

That way they can pretend it didn't happen when we all know good and well it did.

No, current news is not a topic for discussion on any board I've seen.

That's ok though because even if we can't say it, we can think it. Pretty sure we are all thinking the same thing.

[LenaBaby61]

38. Current news that has tremendous impact on the future.

Before and in 2016, I had a LOT of friends who were enthusiastic, big-time Bernie supporters (Volunteered time and gave monies to his campaign). As of Thursday, February 22nd, 2018, almost ALL of my Bernie supporting friends aren't feeling him they way they had been. I know about 100 Bernie supporters across the country who are @ him. Many started side-eying Bernie after the election, because they said that he never said enough that the ruskies interferred into our elections. He also blamed Hillary for not speaking on it and she most certainly did. Today he changed course on that statement, so who knows where this kerfuffel between Pro-Hillary and Pro-Bernie folks ends up. Groups who should be trying to organize via getting others out to vote etc. to get that fat, racist, sexist, treasonous putin-HOG out of the White House are fighting amongst themselves Most of my friends said that although they still have great admiration and respect for Bernie, and that they don't regret support/vote for him in the primaries vs Hillary, they're not "feeling" him in the way that they used to.

[NurseJackie]

32. Exactly.

(Amazing, huh?)

[NCTraveler]

15. He really should. Nt

[emulatorloo]

16. Then maybe Jeff Weaver should stop saying dumb stuff

[Cha]

45. It's really disingenuous for anyone to

accuse anybody for "stirring up.. ", when it's not just weaver who stirs it up.. but BS is there doing it, too.

He knows better.. and I'm going to keep posting this.. until everyone gets it.

Here is the Warning Hillary gave us all, about Russia 2016 influence

http://people.com/politics/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-hack-debate-russia/

October 19, 2016 10:21 PM
Hillary Clinton was ready when the WikiLeaks hack of her campaign chairman, John Podesta, came up during the third and final presidential debate on Wednesday night.

After the moderator Chris Wallace quoted a line from a speech Clinton gave to a Brazilian bank – revealed in the hacked emails – the Democratic nominee took it as an opportunity to point out what she sees as the biggest takeaway from the WikiLeaks hack – the Russian government’s alleged involvement.

“You are very clearly quoting from WikiLeaks and what’s really important about WikiLeaks is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans,” Clinton told Wallace.

“They have hacked American websites, American accounts of private people, of institutions, then they have given that information to WikiLeaks for the purpose of putting it on the Internet,” she added.

“This has come from the highest levels of the Russian government, clearly from [Vladimir] Putin himself, in an effort – as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed – to influence our election.

“So I actually think the most important question of this evening, Chris, is finally will Donald Trump admit that the Russians are doing this and that he rejects Russian espionage?”
----------

Hillary Clinton knew of the Russian influence, warned us, & publicly stated it with Sen Sanders, Chris Wallace & the world listening to her words.

Everybody did know. Hillary warned us all.

Wwcd https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10271608

[leftstreet]

8. Hillary definitely has my primary vote - not this guy

[emulatorloo]

19. Shes not running in 2020. All signs indicate he propably will though.

Bernie Sanders returns to Iowa Friday to continue his 'political revolution'
Former presidential candidate holds rally Friday in Cedar Rapids
Feb 21, 2018

http://www.thegazette.com/subject/news/government/sanders-returns-to-iowa-to-continue-his-political-revolution-20180221

[leftyladyfrommo]

27. I hope he doesn't.

He will just split the votes again.

[LonePirate]

17. So a man is blaming a woman for his shortcomings and mistakes?

[demmiblue]

18. ...

[4now]

20. Sanders attacking Democrats

Nothing new here.

[jalan48]

21. If Bernie decides to run as an independent, will this matter? We need all independents and Democrats

to come together if we are to take back our government.

[R B Garr]

24. Bernie running as an Independent has nothing to do

with who the Democrats run.

[Adrahil]

25. If Bernie decides to run as an independent....

.... he wants a second Trump term.

I'll vote for him if he gets the nom, but he pisses me off a little more every day.

[R B Garr]

22. Ari Melber just played the clip on a segment about this.

It’s not going away. The Mueller indictments have shed too much light on this for it to be just another blame Hillary tactic that worked for both Sanders and Trump.

Ari did a brilliant juxtaposition: both candidates had the same positions almost word for word about Hillary, etc.

Finally the obvious is being addressed and brought into the light. Thank you Ari and thanks to Mueller.

[Cha]

43. Wow, RB.. I'm so impressed with Ari Melber

being so REALITY BASED!

Thank you! And Mueller!

[R B Garr]

46. Yes, I was impressed, too!

He even added some comments like it was ridiculous to blame Hillary, etc.

This is just heating up, Cha! It’s about time accountability is expected.

[Cha]

51. "He even added some comments like it was ridiculous to blame Hillary, etc."

"Ridiculous" is one way to put it..

Thank you for the additional information, RB Garr!

And, Yes.. it is way past time for Accountability!

[Tactical Peek]

62. Here's that clip.

Fuck Sanders and fuck Weaver.

[betsuni]

63. Thank you!

[R B Garr]

65. Awesome! Thank you. It was a perfect segment and

example of how Sanders’ accusations should have been handled from the start. Allowing years of unanswered attacks from him was not wise. Look how they cannot sustain their propaganda when questioned.

Ari did a great job of exposing the hypocrisy of their attacks on Hillary.

And another big thanks to Mueller for exposing the strategies.

[leftyladyfrommo]

26. If the sun didn't come up tomorrow

it would be Hillary's fault.

[honest.abe]

29. WTF??

Bernie please go away... you are doing more harm than good.

[Ellen Forradalom]

31. Mom didn't stop it.

Boy don't women hear that all the time.

[Cha]

39. He's such a Divider. And, for what? Hillary

told about Russian Interference and he KNOWS IT.

Here is the Warning Hillary gave us all, about Russia 2016 influence

http://people.com/politics/hillary-clinton-wikileaks-hack-debate-russia/

October 19, 2016 10:21 PM
Hillary Clinton was ready when the WikiLeaks hack of her campaign chairman, John Podesta, came up during the third and final presidential debate on Wednesday night.

After the moderator Chris Wallace quoted a line from a speech Clinton gave to a Brazilian bank – revealed in the hacked emails – the Democratic nominee took it as an opportunity to point out what she sees as the biggest takeaway from the WikiLeaks hack – the Russian government’s alleged involvement.

“You are very clearly quoting from WikiLeaks and what’s really important about WikiLeaks is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans,” Clinton told Wallace.

“They have hacked American websites, American accounts of private people, of institutions, then they have given that information to WikiLeaks for the purpose of putting it on the Internet,” she added.

“This has come from the highest levels of the Russian government, clearly from [Vladimir] Putin himself, in an effort – as 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed – to influence our election.

“So I actually think the most important question of this evening, Chris, is finally will Donald Trump admit that the Russians are doing this and that he rejects Russian espionage?”
----------

Hillary Clinton knew of the Russian influence, warned us, & publicly stated it with Sen Sanders, Chris Wallace & the world listening to her words.

Everybody did know. Hillary warned us all.

Wwcd https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10271608

[NastyRiffraff]

47. OMG can't somebody convince this asshole to STFU?

I am sick of his posturing, his pretensions, his constant trashing of Democrats.

Go away, Bernie. Go to your fucking $600,000 lake house or whatever.

I never want to hear anything from this jerk again.

[HipChick]

48. Agree..

[NurseJackie]

49. Amen.

Praise!

[EffieBlack]

52. I'm right there with you.

[betsuni]

61. +1

[EffieBlack]

50. Can we now stop treating Bernie as an untouchable ally, given all the evidence to the contrary?

[NurseJackie]

53. Thank you.

[LexVegas]

56. Nope. nt

[Cha]

57. We should be able to..

Mahalo, Effie

[betsuni]

60. Too much to ask.

For some reason.

[NastyRiffraff]

66. I wish!

However, anything less than worship is usually met with anger and derision, if not alerts.

[ellie]

58. Of course he does.

[raven mad]

64. .....