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pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:37 PM Feb 2018

Rick Gates allegedly played "Queen for a Day." And now the plea deal is off.

If Gates did have a proffer session, and Mueller caught him lying, then Mueller might have called the plea deal off. And Gates has just made his conviction more likely.

The dangerous game of proffers:

http://corporate.findlaw.com/litigation-disputes/queen-for-a-day-the-dangerous-game-of-proffers-proffer.html

Because proffering will almost always harm you if post-proffer immunity/plea discussions fall apart and the government decides to indict you. For the same reason, if the prosecutor is not trustworthy or if you are not prepared to tell the complete truth, the proffer session should never take place.

Why are proffers so risky, since your words are not supposed to be used against you at a subsequent trial? To begin with, unlike immunity or plea agreements, proffer agreements do not prevent the government from making derivative use of your statements. In other words, although the government cannot use your actual proffer session statements against you in its case-in-chief, it can use the information that you provide to follow up leads and conduct further investigations. If those leads and further investigations capture new evidence, such evidence can be used to indict and convict you. Even if the prosecutor is not able to develop new information from your proffer, he will gain a tactical advantage from seeing (at the proffer session) how you fare under the pressure of tough questioning, how you present yourself as a witness and, most importantly, what your theory of the case is. This will better prepare him to build his evidence against you and to cross-examine you at trial, should you choose to testify, and will thus boost his self-confidence. Moreover, if, like many suspects, you implicate yourself in criminal activity during the proffer session, the prosecutor will feel better about prosecuting you, because he will "know" in his heart of hearts that you are guilty. (If the AUSA believes that you lied during your proffer session, he can indict you under Section 1001 of the federal criminal code for false statements to the government. As a practical matter, this is almost never done.)

But there are even bigger risks in proffering. Virtually all proffer agreements allow the government to use your statements against you for impeachment purposes if you take the stand in a subsequent proceeding and testify inconsistently with your proffer. And the version of the proffer that will be compared to your trial testimony, in order to see whether you should be impeached, is the version that was interpreted and written down by government agents. More ominously, in recent years many government-drafted proffer agreements allow use of your statements against you if any part of your defense, including questions your lawyer asks of government witnesses on cross-examination, is inconsistent with your proffer. These broadly worded agreements, which have been consistently upheld at the federal circuit court level, may effectively deny you the right to present a defense at trial if your anticipated post-proffer immunity or plea deal does not come through. Why? Because if any part of your defense is deemed to be inconsistent with your proffer, and if that proffer implicates you in any way, the entire proffer will be admitted against you at trial. Thus, your attorney may find herself in the unenviable position of failing to contest key portions of the government's case, declining to cross-examine certain witnesses and choosing not to put you on the stand, all in an effort to prevent your damaging proffer statements from coming before the jury. Proposed proffer agreements submitted to you for your and your attorney's signatures should be examined with great care.

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Rick Gates allegedly played "Queen for a Day." And now the plea deal is off. (Original Post) pnwmom Feb 2018 OP
In other words: Don't play chicken with Bob Mueller. The Velveteen Ocelot Feb 2018 #1
He probably.... Adrahil Feb 2018 #2
and possibly the promise of a presidential pardon. nt lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #4
Wouldn't that encourage his cooperation? Sanity Claws Feb 2018 #5
Just read the story on his new charges and it's massive sarah FAILIN Feb 2018 #3

Sanity Claws

(21,849 posts)
5. Wouldn't that encourage his cooperation?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 07:07 PM
Feb 2018

He will never see his kids again if he is found guilty. He will also lose all his money, leaving his kids very poorly off.
A picture of his kids would remind him of the risks he runs.

sarah FAILIN

(2,857 posts)
3. Just read the story on his new charges and it's massive
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:43 PM
Feb 2018

Tax fraud is there with money laundering. It was on my breaking news app. I'll look for a link

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