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OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:31 PM Feb 2018

Study: Lead and other toxic metals found in e-cigarette 'vapors'

Significant amounts of toxic metals, including lead, leak from some e-cigarette heating coils and are present in the aerosols inhaled by users, according to a study from scientists at Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health.

In the study, published online in Environmental Health Perspectives on February 21, the scientists examined e-cigarette devices owned by a sample of 56 users. They found that significant numbers of the devices generated aerosols with potentially unsafe levels of lead, chromium, manganese and/or nickel. Chronic inhalation of these metals has been linked to lung, liver, immune, cardiovascular and brain damage, and even cancers.

The Food and Drug Administration has the authority to regulate e-cigarettes but is still considering how to do so. The finding that e-cigarettes expose users--known as vapers--to what may be harmful levels of toxic metals could make this issue a focus of future FDA rules.

https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2018-02/jhub-sla022118.php

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Study: Lead and other toxic metals found in e-cigarette 'vapors' (Original Post) OnlinePoker Feb 2018 OP
Is anyone surprised by this? HopeAgain Feb 2018 #1
Most e-cig users, like my spouse and me,... ret5hd Feb 2018 #2
I agree, I was up to as many cigs as I could smoke while awake angstlessk Feb 2018 #3
there is a prescription inhaler called nicotrol Mosby Feb 2018 #6
Looks interesting...why have I never heard of this??? angstlessk Feb 2018 #7
I successfully quit a 30-year tobacco habit using e-cigs. earthshine Feb 2018 #11
I'm still working on lowering my nic levels..I'm at 12% angstlessk Feb 2018 #30
And that's fine, because they probably are -- just as long as you are fine with not vaping pnwmom Feb 2018 #25
You think cigarettes are safer? angstlessk Feb 2018 #4
Of course not, but nicotine gum is HopeAgain Feb 2018 #10
Good for you..I did the gum and patches... angstlessk Feb 2018 #14
HopeAgain never claimed to be a saint Skittles Feb 2018 #31
I am allowed my own perspective angstlessk Feb 2018 #33
LOL Skittles Feb 2018 #36
I did not mean to offend you HopeAgain Feb 2018 #32
I do not object that they require standards angstlessk Feb 2018 #34
Likely lots of folks on DU Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #5
I agree whole hartetly...but I have never seen any romance regarding ecigs angstlessk Feb 2018 #8
I live in Asheville, NC. I am currently visiting in southern FL. earthshine Feb 2018 #13
I don't suppose the youth want to mimic that? angstlessk Feb 2018 #15
According to a 2015 CDC report, vaping use is now higher than tobacco amongst adolescents OnlinePoker Feb 2018 #16
Well better than smoking cigs angstlessk Feb 2018 #18
Not vaping or smoking cigarettes at all should be the goal OnlinePoker Feb 2018 #20
Hell there is a plethora of vices one should not imbibe in angstlessk Feb 2018 #21
Don't worry...the Republicans blocked that. n/t OnlinePoker Feb 2018 #22
That would be 'on line' gambleing angstlessk Feb 2018 #24
North Carolina...home of tobacco angstlessk Feb 2018 #35
The discussions were around 2012-2014, I believe. Ms. Toad Feb 2018 #37
The other issue is second-hand smoking. Some vaping proponents felt that smoking bans pnwmom Feb 2018 #26
OnlinePoker talks about bad habits! angstlessk Feb 2018 #9
It's the news outlet for the American Association for the Advancement of Science OnlinePoker Feb 2018 #12
Has your source mentioned the toxins in actual cigarettes? angstlessk Feb 2018 #17
Vaping proponents were arguing that the off gas contained nothing but water, and that they should pnwmom Feb 2018 #27
I don't disagree.. angstlessk Feb 2018 #29
cigarettes are allowed most of outdoors and are worse. bettyellen Feb 2018 #38
Yeah, so? n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #39
So prohibiting it outdoors is ridiculous. bettyellen Feb 2018 #40
Some were arguing that vaping should be allowed on planes, in airports, in malls, pnwmom Feb 2018 #41
ALL vape devices produce these elements ?!?! This is a screwed up study claiming "significant" ... uponit7771 Feb 2018 #19
eggazctly...many doctors used to advertise the health effects of smoking angstlessk Feb 2018 #23
Big tobacco is in the vaping business now. And I agree, I don't trust them either. n/t pnwmom Feb 2018 #28

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
1. Is anyone surprised by this?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:37 PM
Feb 2018

If something is not regulated, this is what happens. I have been telling people for years they don’t know what is in those things and they probably are not safe.

ret5hd

(20,493 posts)
2. Most e-cig users, like my spouse and me,...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:44 PM
Feb 2018

don't pretend they are "safe".

We are satisfied with "safer".

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
3. I agree, I was up to as many cigs as I could smoke while awake
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:22 PM
Feb 2018

AND wished each cig was as long a Pinocchio's nose!

Now I puff my ecig...reducing the the amount of nicotine over time, (which I could NOT do with cigs) till I then know it's an oral problem, not a smoking problem.

I am down to 12 mg nicotine from the max of 32..or was it 33? Anyway, not smoking more or less with the lowered amount.

Then I can either quit or search for safer oral fixes!

Mosby

(16,318 posts)
6. there is a prescription inhaler called nicotrol
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:51 PM
Feb 2018

I used it to stop smoking. Unlike other NRTs, this delivers the nicotine when you need it. It does not use heat.

I followed the European/Australian guidelines that allows you to cut back slowly. I was a two pack a day smoker, the first day I started with the inhalers I only smoked 11 cigs. Then I slowly tapered myself down from there. I used them for more than six months, I haven't smoked a cigarette for almost 10 years.


https://www.nicotrol.com/inhaler

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
11. I successfully quit a 30-year tobacco habit using e-cigs.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:04 PM
Feb 2018

The nic addiction is only two-three days of withdrawal. It's changing your habits and thoughts that is the difficult part. The mind will play it's tricks for years to come.

It's harder to train oneself to have a cup of coffee without a cig, or to finish the dinner without one, than it is to get over the nic.

Also, for a 9-5 office worker, the notion of the cig break is laden with connotation unrelated to smoking.

No-nic e-cigs are the perfect thing to have on hand until your subconscious mind decides it's done with smoking.

Every few weeks or so, I still have an e-cig. It's like a piece of candy, now. A treat that is not addictive.

Quitting cigs has improved my life in so many ways.

Best of luck to you!!!

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
30. I'm still working on lowering my nic levels..I'm at 12%
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:11 PM
Feb 2018

Next will be 2% then 0% I will find out if the habit is just oral fetish then!

Then I can deal with that problem.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
25. And that's fine, because they probably are -- just as long as you are fine with not vaping
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:57 PM
Feb 2018

in public spaces, where other people would be exposed.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
4. You think cigarettes are safer?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:25 PM
Feb 2018

I don't cough all night, which used to keep me awake...ecigs are FAR better than real cigs...from one who has experienced both.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
10. Of course not, but nicotine gum is
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 07:52 PM
Feb 2018

Or patches are.

I quit 8 smoking years ago. Cold turkey. One the hardest and smartest things I ever did.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
14. Good for you..I did the gum and patches...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:16 PM
Feb 2018

very expensive and useless for me..

You claim to be a saint and the rest of us sinners cause we didn't go cold turkey...

IF your addiction is based on the oral addiction gum nor patches work.

And I bet 50+ are about oral satisfaction.

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
32. I did not mean to offend you
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:43 PM
Feb 2018

I am sorry if I did. I said quitting was one of the hardest things I did.

But these vapor machines and some of the liquids are made in places like China. There is no way to know what is in them because they have been completely unregulated. I just think they could be worse than cigarettes, especially if they are finding heavy metals in them. I'm glad they are finally going to regulate them, but who knows what has passed for vape in the meantime?

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
34. I do not object that they require standards
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:50 PM
Feb 2018

but if there are regulations, they will become tobacco companies owners.

I prefer small companies to dispense their own brands...not tobacco companies poisoning everybody based on political contributions

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
5. Likely lots of folks on DU
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:30 PM
Feb 2018

I remember some pretty knock-down, drag-out fights about (1) they're harmless and (2) they will always be limited to small boutique marketing.

The discussions were in connection with the push to regulate marketing in the same way cigarette marketing was regulated in order to prevent grooming another generation of people addicted to nicotine. I was poo-poohed, patted on the head, and told I didn't know what I was talking about . . . as the tobacco giants moved in and started marketing kiddie flavors.

ETA: I'm all in favor of ecigs as an alternative to regular cigarettes, especially in terms of their pretty remarkable ability to wean people away from regular cigarettes. My concern was enticing a new generation to e-smoking via advertising campaigns similar to the campaigns that glamorized smoking regular cigarettes.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
8. I agree whole hartetly...but I have never seen any romance regarding ecigs
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 07:22 PM
Feb 2018

And I thought they were supposed to stop actors from smoking cigs?

Maybe I'm out of the loop?

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
13. I live in Asheville, NC. I am currently visiting in southern FL.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:13 PM
Feb 2018

Here (but not at home) I've seen a number of 20-ish people (all women) using these big vape things when out and about.

It's something the size of a small bottle, and it visibly delivers a lot more vapor than an e-cig. (Huge clouds!)

I guess it's the equivalent of an e-cigar. Maybe an e-bong.

It looks stupid and highly inconvenient. (Probably, about as stupid as seeing people with actual cigs.)

Peace.

OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
16. According to a 2015 CDC report, vaping use is now higher than tobacco amongst adolescents
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:21 PM
Feb 2018

E-cigarette use among middle school and high school students tripled in one year, reported the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention on Thursday. The new data shows that e-cigarette use has surpassed the use of all tobacco products, including regular cigarettes, among young people.

The data, published in the CDC’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, shows that e-cigarette use among high schoolers increased from 4.5% in 2013 to 13.4% in 2014. That’s a rise from about 660,000 students to 2 million, the CDC says. Use among middle schoolers rose from 1.1% to 3.9% in the same time period.

http://time.com/3825218/ecig-teens/

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
18. Well better than smoking cigs
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:24 PM
Feb 2018

Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These cigarette ingredients include nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT.

OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
20. Not vaping or smoking cigarettes at all should be the goal
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:31 PM
Feb 2018

Instead, they market vaping as a safe choice and sell flavored oils to get the kids hooked even though they produce toxic vapor. You want to vape, that's fine, but stop making it only about what's in cigarettes while you ignore the health risks posed by vaping. I personally wouldn't want to be sucking in lead or other heavy metals every time I sucked on one of these.

Ms. Toad

(34,074 posts)
37. The discussions were around 2012-2014, I believe.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:12 AM
Feb 2018

The big tobacco companies were just starting to enter the market - and the FDA was just considering whether to regulate advertising for ecigs.

The 2012 Surgeon General's Report on preventing adolescent tobacco use concluded that youth exposure to tobacco cigarette advertising causes youth smoking.[14] As noted above, e-cigarette advertising uses the same appeals that cigarette companies have used to entice kids into a lifelong addiction to cigarettes.[15],[16],[17] These include:

widespread marketing of fruit, candy, mint and even alcohol flavors (Figure 1)
romantic or sexual imagery (Figure 2)
celebrity endorsements (Figure 3)
event sponsorships (Figure 4)
social media (Figure 5)


https://tobacco.ucsf.edu/fda-should-restrict-e-cigarette-marketing-protect-youth-part-currently-proposed-regulation

There was a lot of push-back from DU members who insisted that big tobacco would never seriously be involved, and certainly would never glamorize it to create a new (addicted) set of consumers.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
26. The other issue is second-hand smoking. Some vaping proponents felt that smoking bans
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:58 PM
Feb 2018

in public places shouldn't apply to them.

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
9. OnlinePoker talks about bad habits!
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 07:25 PM
Feb 2018

and what in the hell is eurekalert?

I don't link to strange websites.

OnlinePoker

(5,722 posts)
12. It's the news outlet for the American Association for the Advancement of Science
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:07 PM
Feb 2018

EurekAlert! is an online, global news service operated by AAAS, the science society.

https://www.eurekalert.org/aboutus.php

angstlessk

(11,862 posts)
17. Has your source mentioned the toxins in actual cigarettes?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:22 PM
Feb 2018

Cigarette smoke contains over 4,000 chemicals, including 43 known cancer-causing (carcinogenic) compounds and 400 other toxins. These cigarette ingredients include nicotine, tar, and carbon monoxide, as well as formaldehyde, ammonia, hydrogen cyanide, arsenic, and DDT.


http://www.quitsmokingsupport.com/whatsinit.htm

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
27. Vaping proponents were arguing that the off gas contained nothing but water, and that they should
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:00 PM
Feb 2018

be allowed to vape in public places.

I don't care what they do in their own homes, where they don't affect anyone else. But no one should have to breathe those fumes at work or in public spaces.

pnwmom

(108,980 posts)
41. Some were arguing that vaping should be allowed on planes, in airports, in malls,
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:26 AM
Feb 2018

in theaters, and in other public spaces.

I disagreed.

uponit7771

(90,347 posts)
19. ALL vape devices produce these elements ?!?! This is a screwed up study claiming "significant" ...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:25 PM
Feb 2018

... numbers which is too opaque to conclude all the devices produce these metals.

Also, at what level of fill does it produce these levels ?!

I don't trust big tabbaco on this

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