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BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:27 PM Feb 2018

If they want to arm teachers than what is to stop some

teachers from going to the school board meeting and demanding adequate pay raises and benefits, you know how women get all emotional over nothing. Or how about Parent/Teacher conferences and the parents are mad that you gave their child a poor grade that they feel was not fair or deserved? The parents may think, "If the teacher is armed, than I can bring my gun too". I taught for almost 20 years and parents are very threatening and scary sometimes.

NRA's Wayne LaPierre and the Moron think this is a great idea. The teachers with guns would get extra pay so maybe they will stop bitching about low salaries...another problem solved.

The teaching profession is diff enough...this will drive more future teachers away from considering joining the profession. I say #ENOUGH !

There are National school Walkouts on March 14th
https://www.actionnetwork.org/event_campaigns/enough-national-school-walkout

There are also planned rallies in DC and a lot of sister marches nationwide called March For Life on March 24th (sort of like the Women's March) called March For Our Lives.
https://www.facebook.com/marchforourlives/events
https://www.marchforourlives.com/mission-statement/

Spread the word. RESIST! REMOVE! Peace.

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Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
1. They do not want to arm teachers. They want to change the conversation and deflect
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:43 PM
Feb 2018

If everyone gets caught up in ridiculing every stupid idea they put forth, there will continue to be NO common sense gun regulation. The NRA knows exactly what they are doing and now it appears they have lots of foreign money helping them.

The students are actually right to go after the NRA. The NRA needs to be demonized the way the GOP demonizes Democrats and Democratic Candidates. Fight against the NRA and their bankrolling of legislators, fight for gun control measures. Do not waste too much time and energy into every stupid alternative idea the NRA/GOP/Trump proposes. Time for the students and Democrats to control the message. There is momentum on our side.

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
2. I agree and am acting on it!
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:48 PM
Feb 2018

I put a lot of info together the other morning about fighting the NRA and GOP and about Resisting events to draw attention to the issue and how serious we are. There is a lot but it is useful and can be shared.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/10112196

Freethinker65

(10,024 posts)
4. Just learned there was a huge Moms Demand Action meeting here
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:53 PM
Feb 2018

Here at our local sleepy library two nights ago. Overflowing crowd on a weeknight in suburban Chicago. I am sorry I missed it.

 

Lee-Lee

(6,324 posts)
3. If someone isnt emotionally stable enough to have a firearm and not misuse it
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 04:52 PM
Feb 2018

Is that person emotionally stable enough to be trusted at all with the responsibility of caring for and education hour children?

That’s a serious question. If the only thing that stops you from going and shooting people is that you don’t have a gun available at that moment then you obviously have much deeper and more pronounced problems and don’t have any place in any role in a school.

I’m amazed how unstable and incompetent many people seem to feel teachers are. You were a teacher you say, do you really feel so many of your peers are that dangerous and unstable?

haele

(12,660 posts)
6. I'm sorry, as a daughter of a teacher, I find this "argument" to be ridiculous.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 06:22 PM
Feb 2018

You are suggesting that any teacher that isn't willing to carry a firearm in the classroom is somehow unstable? Or are you suggesting that anyone who isn't willing to carry a firearm because "they don't trust having one around" is unstable?

If you do a risk analysis of the situation, there are far more reasons not to have a teacher carry a firearm in the classroom than there is for a teacher to carry a firearm in the classroom, and most of those reasons have to do with the teaching environment, rather than the stability of the teacher or the risk of being shot by someone with a high-powered rifle or high-capacity handgun.

1. The reality for most people is that just the presence of a firearm is both distracting and intimidating. And despite the occasional discipline problem, most kids do not learn well while being intimidated. Knowing that your teacher or a classmate can shoot you if he or she gets angry and gets a hold of the firearm is not conducive to paying attention to the course or enthusiastically listening to the lesson. And ultimately, an elementary to high school teacher is not there to be a firearms familiarization and safety instructor, especially to the majority of children who are growing up in households where there are not firearms present in their homes or their friends homes.
Whether or not s/he is qualified to carry, that's not the teacher's principle job, and that's not what the students are there for.

2. Having a firearm is a responsibility. If there's going to be a firearm in the classroom (and I'm not talking about the trained public safety officers), it is critical that the first few day of class cover firearm safety, so that no kids think it will be cool to get into the teacher's desk, purse, or briefcase when s/he is concentrating on helping someone in the back of the room, or what to do if the firearm goes off if the teacher is carrying. And especially to teach the class what to do if the teacher's distracted and the firearm is out in the open somehow.
There's a lot of bending over and bumping into things that happens in a classroom of kids. Carrying a loaded weapon is a daily risk; how many times has the average policeman or sheriff's deputies had a firearm drop out of the holster while running around - or hell, got caught just getting in and out of the squad car? I've known a few, and they were always complaining that getting the holster caught was a regular pain...

And being a teacher is just as high stress as being a cop. And risky, too. Teachers are beat up by kids all the time in class.
You're going to ask a teacher, paid far less (considering the overtime they put in) than pretty near every member of whatever police department in the locale they are teaching in, with fewer benefits and having to supply their own materials on top of that, who have to pay for their own training and credentials, to buy a good firearm and ammunition, and add a requirement for regular firearms training on top of the strain of teaching?
Most teachers just want to teach. To expand their student's minds and to help them not be fearful of subjects they might be having difficulty with or not understand.
Teachers don't go $50K - $100K in debt to be baby-sitters, prison guards or ad-hoc police.

Now, the NRA and other "gun hobby/lobby" groups want to arm stressed and underpaid teachers who are constantly under financial attack by their own administrators and "taxpayer associations" who want to cut their pay and resources, and emotional attack from parents with agendas who think they're either not doing enough for or unfairly punishing their "sweet little angels". One more thing they have to be responsible for.

How many stressed cops have gone and shot people "by mistake", using the excuse that "oh, I thought my life was in danger...", or "it was an accident". Thanks, Police Unions, for protecting those poor stressed cops from the population and the local governments and taking the responsibility for the actions of their emotions and hands off their career records...
I strongly doubt the Teacher's Unions will even try to protect a teacher from the witch-hunt that will ensue from a "it was an accident" incident in class...

Finally - "I'm amazed how unstable and incompetent may people seem to feel police are...and they're supposed to go through firearms training on a regular basis. "


Haele

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