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David Simon, creator of The Wire, puts it in perfect context: (Original Post) dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 OP
What could go wrong? dchill Feb 2018 #1
We need to start asking that question with everything they propose! Initech Feb 2018 #3
Elect a pathological liar president? dchill Feb 2018 #5
Keep electing Republicans? What could go wrong? Beartracks Feb 2018 #6
This! You nailed it! joshdawg Feb 2018 #9
Clearly the students also need to be armed, in case an armed teacher attacks them. tclambert Feb 2018 #33
As a first grade teacher for over 15 years I envision BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #2
Part of the conservative anti-education agenda, perhaps? Beartracks Feb 2018 #7
attack on public education Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #25
correct, its RW lunacy onetexan Feb 2018 #32
Where would the pulled out students then be educated? Cracklin Charlie Feb 2018 #51
+1000 AJT Feb 2018 #29
Bingo! fits right in to the theory I have held for a long time! lastlib Feb 2018 #38
Heck, as a teacher, how are you going to handle Little Billy's parents when you gave him a bad mark? haele Feb 2018 #16
That is exactly what I was implying! BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #19
when I taught handmade34 Feb 2018 #27
I suspect that's one of the unspoken aims of this draconian idea. sarge43 Feb 2018 #56
Translated for the Trump folk OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #4
let's see lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #8
We cant even get to the office from the mailroom at our school without our electronic ID pass card Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #11
We are simply cutting out the middleman in the school to prison pipeline. Merlot Feb 2018 #12
This from the ass clowns who scream Cosmocat Feb 2018 #15
Hopped up? Iggo Feb 2018 #18
Kick and recommend. Brilliant. bronxiteforever Feb 2018 #10
Great post. Thanks. jalan48 Feb 2018 #13
He's got a strong Twitter game n/t hibbing Feb 2018 #14
Great post, up until... "abattoir" zaj Feb 2018 #17
I remember this as an ninth grade vocaulary word, because I was teaching a novel in which it was maddiemom Feb 2018 #20
It's not in common usage. madamesilverspurs Feb 2018 #22
What is your PhD in? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #55
I have a Ph. D., and I knew what abattoir meant (wasnt it used in The Jungle? Its been years anneboleyn Feb 2018 #35
Yes, "The Jungle." maddiemom Feb 2018 #47
In The Jungle (I think I knew it as well) anneboleyn Feb 2018 #36
he was going for alliteration NJCher Feb 2018 #37
That doesn't speak well BlueMTexpat Feb 2018 #44
Not sure if it's because I live in an officially bilingual country but luvtheGWN Feb 2018 #57
Abattoir indeed. zentrum Feb 2018 #21
Who would watch the kids ????? mgardener Feb 2018 #23
this is so spot on Hamlette Feb 2018 #24
People, remember one thing, the NRA exists ONLY to sell guns and they want to sell Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #26
Spot on. warmfeet Feb 2018 #28
"Abbatoir": Slaughterhouse. (I had to look that up!) nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #30
Me too Poiuyt Feb 2018 #31
+1. Glad it wasn't just me. But learning a new word is a good thing. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #43
I remember family dinners BlueMTexpat Feb 2018 #45
This is beautifully expressed damn. This makes me cry. anneboleyn Feb 2018 #34
How very, very true this statement is. Ferrets are Cool Feb 2018 #39
I fear for the younger generations. alfredo Feb 2018 #40
My grandparents raised my parents thru worse than this. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #41
Over population, and resulting climate change will cause massive migrations out of affected areas. alfredo Feb 2018 #48
Meanwhile, the "Disaster capitalists " are buying up land and water rights. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #49
Coca Cola is real bad about buying up water rights. alfredo Feb 2018 #50
Eloquent A HERETIC I AM Feb 2018 #42
We're already there. Sarg Feb 2018 #46
Regarding the "abattoir vs. slaughterhouse" component of this thread misanthrope Feb 2018 #52
That was my understanding. dixiegrrrrl Feb 2018 #53
Right but under that definition misanthrope Feb 2018 #54

Initech

(100,080 posts)
3. We need to start asking that question with everything they propose!
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:48 AM
Feb 2018

Build a wall? What could go wrong?

Deport all illegal immigrants? What could go wrong?

Arm teachers? What could go wrong?

An armed militia guarding every classroom? What could go wrong?

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
2. As a first grade teacher for over 15 years I envision
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:48 AM
Feb 2018

parents coming into the classroom for Parent/Teacher report card conferences while armed...is that what we will also be facing? I do not want to go down this road! Teachers are already leaving the profession due to low pay, long hours, little respect, high student loans, illness/high stress, etc. This would be the nail in the coffin for the profession.

Beartracks

(12,816 posts)
7. Part of the conservative anti-education agenda, perhaps?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 02:14 AM
Feb 2018

Their agenda doesn't need, or even want, an educated populace anyway. Their votes and voodoo economic theories depend on ignorance, a lack of critical thinking, and an unquestioning obedience to authority.

==========

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
25. attack on public education
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:15 PM
Feb 2018

My state legislature is gung-ho on concealed carry teachers. Tonight, the local news aired a segment where a school board member said he'd pull his daughter out and home school her if the only fix was going to be arm the teachers.

Cut funding, ban science, arm the teachers -- that yields less confidence in public education, less participation, less willingness to fund it, more malleable (ignorant) voters. It's a circle of destruction.

Cracklin Charlie

(12,904 posts)
51. Where would the pulled out students then be educated?
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:55 PM
Feb 2018

Yes, Betsy Devos, in expensive private schools.

Just like you planned it, you inappropriately grinning lunatic.

haele

(12,660 posts)
16. Heck, as a teacher, how are you going to handle Little Billy's parents when you gave him a bad mark?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:55 PM
Feb 2018

And they decide that since you're armed, they're going to come to the Parent/Teacher conference armed too...and they aren't going to accept that their little Angel was acting out or being defiant. They're going to make your life a living hell because Little Billy is the perfect kid at home...

Fortress America, home of the hair-trigger temper and the fearful.

Haele

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
27. when I taught
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:26 PM
Feb 2018

I would never had considered carrying a gun... and as a parent, if I found out that teachers carried guns, I would take them out of school

sarge43

(28,941 posts)
56. I suspect that's one of the unspoken aims of this draconian idea.
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 09:51 AM
Feb 2018

Repugs and the money men behind them want to do to the public school system what is being done to the prison system: Take it out of public control and turn it into another profit pump.

OhNo-Really

(3,985 posts)
4. Translated for the Trump folk
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:49 AM
Feb 2018

Arming teachers is a crazy idea and will mean our country is being flushed down the toilet

lapfog_1

(29,205 posts)
8. let's see
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:21 AM
Feb 2018

single point of entry with high fences around every school
metal detectors.
SROs armed with AR-15s
teachers armed with concealed handguns.

We are simply cutting out the middleman in the school to prison pipeline.

4 and 5-year-olds would end up going to "prison" right away. A brightly colored prison with naps and exercise yard (oops I mean playground ), but a prison nonetheless.

And once they are treated like prisoners they will behave like prisoners.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
11. We cant even get to the office from the mailroom at our school without our electronic ID pass card
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:31 AM
Feb 2018

Every room is locked ALL THE TIME.

EVEN THE GYM

Merlot

(9,696 posts)
12. We are simply cutting out the middleman in the school to prison pipeline.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 12:15 PM
Feb 2018

And once they are treated like prisoners they will behave like prisoners.

This is exactly what I was thinking. Also note that for-profit schools will be the pipeline for for proift prisions.

Cosmocat

(14,565 posts)
15. This from the ass clowns who scream
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 01:09 PM
Feb 2018

WE NEED OUR GUNS TO PROTECT US FROM THE GOVERNMENT!

J ...
H ...
C ...

 

zaj

(3,433 posts)
17. Great post, up until... "abattoir"
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 02:31 PM
Feb 2018

I spent 3 years in a PhD program, and I had to look up that word.

If our side learns to project a little less sophistication, it will help a lot.

"School teachers carrying firearms and readied for gun battles in grade school classrooms is a level of social pathology that signals the end of any viable, coherent society. Travel such a path, and the barbarism and fearmongering of the American slaughterhouse can only accelerate."

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
20. I remember this as an ninth grade vocaulary word, because I was teaching a novel in which it was
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:59 PM
Feb 2018

used. Come on, you can't really have studied at the PHD level. Are you a Republican troll hoping to dumb things down?

madamesilverspurs

(15,805 posts)
22. It's not in common usage.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 07:50 PM
Feb 2018

I think the point is not to "dumb things down", rather to make the message easily comprehensible for the greatest number possible, including those for whom such words were never part of an education experience. And, no, I'm not a Republican troll.


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anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
35. I have a Ph. D., and I knew what abattoir meant (wasnt it used in The Jungle? Its been years
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:49 PM
Feb 2018

since I read that book). I also seem to remember it being used in the HBO movie about Temple Grandin (woman with autism who was responsible for ground-breaking research that advocated for the more humane treatment of animals on their way to slaughter). But I definitely knew what it meant...what do I win? I also don’t think it’s “obscure” — the point is beautifully expressed. Fussing about one word seems absurd to me.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
47. Yes, "The Jungle."
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 11:44 AM
Feb 2018

Admittedly it was in my early years of teaching (end of Sixties, early Seventies) and in above average classes. A+ for you!

NJCher

(35,685 posts)
37. he was going for alliteration
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:25 PM
Feb 2018
Great post, up until... "abattoir"

that's why he used abbatoir.

fearmongering of the American abbatoir can only accelerate."


luvtheGWN

(1,336 posts)
57. Not sure if it's because I live in an officially bilingual country but
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 11:53 PM
Feb 2018

the word "abattoir" has always been used up here (when discussing where cattle and pork go to their ignominious deaths).

This business of virtually (well, actually, literally) turning public schools into prisons is just so, so scary. The only thing I can do is encourage my American expats to get out and vote in the November mid-terms (it's okay, they are ALL Democrats). The GOP is destroying my next-door neighbour, inch by inch, dollar-soaked policy by policy, and idiot President by idiot President.

mgardener

(1,817 posts)
23. Who would watch the kids ?????
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:00 PM
Feb 2018

While the teachers ar trying to kill a shooter?
Who would get them to safety or keep them safe?
What the hell is the matter with these people?
Do they even think before they speak??????

And since Congress does not want to do anything, I think it only fair that guns should be allowed in Capitol hill!!!!!!!
Why should the rest of us have to fear for our lives.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
26. People, remember one thing, the NRA exists ONLY to sell guns and they want to sell
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:17 PM
Feb 2018

as many guns as they can no matter the deaths.

But, if BLACK people and LATINO people and MUSLIM people all had AR-15's, you would see shit change overnight.

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
28. Spot on.
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 08:41 PM
Feb 2018

Arming teachers is the end of the road. If that happens, we can no longer claim to be a civilized society. We can no longer claim, even the hint of, moral authority to the rest of this world. Endgame.

BlueMTexpat

(15,369 posts)
45. I remember family dinners
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 08:38 AM
Feb 2018

when each one of us had to select a word at random from the dictionary so that we would all learn its meaning and how to spell it.

One night, the word "abattoir" came up and yes, it was an American English dictionary. I was about ten at the time (I'm now in my 70s). My brothers and sisters were all younger. None of us ever forgot that word or its meaning.

We may occasionally get tripped up on its spelling: one "b" and two "ts."

Later I studied French, which is its origin. It stems from the verb "abattre"which means, among other things, to kill or to slaughter. The French word has its origin in Vulgar Latin, the source of so many words in contemporary Romance languages.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
41. My grandparents raised my parents thru worse than this.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:52 AM
Feb 2018

The Depression, WW2. and they did not know how any of that would turn out, including the question of being invaded by foreign troops, which was a real fear in the beginning of the war.

But...yes...my generation and those to follow have lived thru a golden post-war time in this country, and we can now see that turning sour, a lot of what we take for granted is under serious attack.

The students in Fla. do give hope, tho, don't they?

alfredo

(60,074 posts)
48. Over population, and resulting climate change will cause massive migrations out of affected areas.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 06:46 PM
Feb 2018

Central valley has an expiration date. The drought, low snowpack, and depleted aquifers could, at the least cause higher food prices, and shortages. The corn belt will be a desert. Cattle farming will have to move east, and so will Big Ag. Forget about fish.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
49. Meanwhile, the "Disaster capitalists " are buying up land and water rights.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 07:20 PM
Feb 2018

And we will see more countries have upheaval, more refugees, some from natural events, some from deliberate events ( think Yemen).

 

Sarg

(39 posts)
46. We're already there.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 09:07 AM
Feb 2018

A "viable, coherent society" would not have allowed the gun situation to reach the current crisis levels. Armed teachers trained for combat with school shooters was merely the logical outcome of the existing pathology.

So this will be the next political battle that rages: the right wing will demand taxpayer funding of armed teachers, and vilify anyone who objects as a socialist who hates the Constitution. Wayne Little Peter has already started banging the drums with this message.

misanthrope

(7,418 posts)
52. Regarding the "abattoir vs. slaughterhouse" component of this thread
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 10:14 PM
Feb 2018

From where I don't recall but I've long been under the impression "abattoir" refers more specifically to the area of the facility where the animals are exsanguinated, perhaps related to a receptacle that receives the blood. If this is the case, it would make Simon's usage of the word even more appropriate as it would call to mind "bloodbath" and the messiest, most visual aspect of such a scene.

misanthrope

(7,418 posts)
54. Right but under that definition
Sat Feb 24, 2018, 12:17 AM
Feb 2018

they aren't entirely redundant or synonymous as a slaughterhouse would be the entire facility and an abattoir could be one component of it. A slaughterhouse could contain an abattoir, could it not?

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