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Bernie Sanders mirrors Donald Trumps response to the Russian attack, just subbing in Clinton for Obama
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Seriously, this could be the end of Sanders 2020. Someone who cares about him ought to tell him how badly he stepped in it today. Jesus.
This should finish it off for BS.
njhoneybadger
(3,910 posts)Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)OhNo-Really
(3,985 posts)Trump is trying to put blame on Obama
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Someone with a D after their name.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Not a chance. This is what we call pandering to ones base.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,112 posts)Making it hard to win elections for the Dems.
Well, this does NOT surprise some of us.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He is all about division.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)... and from what I've been reading, many are in agreement that this isn't unexpected.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)I doubt he can go very far with ONLY the support of his "base".
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"I doubt he can go very far with ONLY the support of his "base"."
In a field with six to nine solid Democrats in a primary, Sanders base can carry the day. HA Fucking Goodman and all.
I think we are in an amazing position if Sanders crawls under a rock for the primaries. If he doesn't, we are going to be a party divided. Only Sanders can do that to us. Only his ego is big enough. All while he is cashing out.
Did you see what his publisher correctly said about Sanders in their press release? His entrance into the primary last time around was just the beginning, not the end. They let that slip. He is a career politician who is just getting started. You can't make this bullshit up. Even Sanders knows it. It's why he is still pandering to HA Goodman and the like.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)jrthin
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Forget that Bernie wanted to have Obama primaried in 2012 but could find no one to do it. Had Obama been primaried, we would have had a President Romney, as the votes were so close. Bernie's always been a backbencher throwing rocks. And remember, he's not a Democrat.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Thank you for your bravery.
jrthin
(4,836 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Cha
(297,285 posts)division. And, it's not smart at all. he only hurts himself.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and had the party backing. I think we all can agree...been there, done that.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Who is going to stop him? They tried to pay off his base last time around by catering to some of his people.
He started running as a Democrat for the primaries early in his career. A lot of people arent aware of that. He then ditches the label in the primary. Precedent has been set on that for decades.
Me.
(35,454 posts)but then I don't think he'll run again, especially if he's counting on OR to buoy him.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Outside of his state than in it. He is taking ignorant shots at Clinton. What he seems to be doing is holding his base together. He is about worthless when it comes to endorsements. That makes me think he is running. The only way I think it will be stopped is if a couple of state require a certain amount of taxes to be released. I think that would have already been done.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Go live in one of his three houses. Just go away.
Me.
(35,454 posts)and think he's like an attention junkie. However, if he thinks he going to run I hope he's prepared for all the oppo that will come down on him...he has no idea and now that the gloves are off he may end up punch drunk.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Now remember, I said MY OPINION... Bernie is still pushing the Russian narrative and wants their help in 2020
GWC58
(2,678 posts)Bernie Sanders run for POTUS is over!
Generic Brad
(14,275 posts)RhodeIslandOne
(5,042 posts)Bernie should now be done at the national stage. This is not how a leader takes responsibility.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
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MrsCoffee
(5,803 posts)Exotica
(1,461 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Exotica
(1,461 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)BoneyardDem
(1,202 posts)that is what Sanders is claiming. Sheesh
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)The same attacks on Hillary.... For at least a couple years now.
Toast is an understatement...
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)seaglass
(8,173 posts)can't find the link. I'll post it if I do.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)I knew something was funny when dude wouldn't show his taxes too.
Something aint right, he used the same damn excuse Benedict Donald used ...
PunkinPi
(4,875 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)LexVegas
(6,067 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Maven
(10,533 posts)poboy2
(2,078 posts)(Calm down, I voted for Hillary in the general)
I have to say that at this time/circumstance, Bernie is doing harm.
As a Bernie guy, I think it is best he NOT run.
Kentonio
(4,377 posts)If you follow the link in the op you can see the whole interview plus the statement he released afterwards expressing his support for Clinton.
Just yet another shitty attack thread.
As for whether he should run, don't mistake the mood of this place with the mood of the country. He's wildly popular still, and just because a group of people on DU can't grow up and get over the primaries makes absolutely no difference to how the next primaries will go.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)20...the girls are upset about the identity politics statements (me too) and my son is shocked that he may have known about the Russians.
Gothmog
(145,293 posts)..and there are a few deleted posts of mine to prove it LOL
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)obamanut2012
(26,080 posts)Tarheel_Dem
(31,234 posts)Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)1. If he could not see that there were bots out helping his campaign with a clear intention to harm Hillary, he must be really blind. This was quite obvious at the time.
2. Blaming Hillary. Seriously? WTF?
Sadly, this does not surprise me.
LexVegas
(6,067 posts)DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)nolabear
(41,984 posts)Oh, right. Hes thinking what hes always thought, just out loud.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)I try not to post things about Bernie because he's so divisive. It's one of the reasons why I was only a lurker before the big crash on election day. But someone needs to tell him to have several seats. He has done enough damage. ?ig_cache_key=MTAwNDY3NDg2MDQ3MjI4ODMzMA%3D%3D.2
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)He thinks that he, along with Nina Turner, is running a revolution.
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Hekate
(90,714 posts)...because that in itself is divisive as hell.
spicysista
(1,663 posts)This is in reference to his current behavior. The fighting prior to the shut down and it's ugly racial over tones is what kept me away. I have no interest in beating that dead horse. This is about now. I believed then and now that we are always stronger together. I'm not sure Bernie shares that view. That's why I was asking.....
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phleshdef
(11,936 posts)4now
(1,596 posts)I am more disgusted with him every time he opens his mouth
diva77
(7,643 posts)HRC's staff -- who, despite being strongly urged by people such as John Bonifaz to conduct a recount of the 2016 election, did not choose to move forward with one.
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2016 United States presidential election recounts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_United_States_presidential_election_recounts
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Following Republican nominee Donald Trump's presumed electoral college victory in the United States presidential election of 2016, a group of computer scientists, cyber security experts, and election monitors raised concerns about the integrity of the election results. They urged the campaign staff of Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, who had conceded the campaign on November 9,[1] to petition for a recount in three key states: Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin.[2] When the Clinton campaign declined to file for recounts, Green Party presidential nominee Jill Stein agreed to spearhead the recount effort on November 23, on the grounds that unspecified "anomalies" may have affected the election's outcome. The Clinton team subsequently pledged to support the recount efforts "in order to ensure the process proceeds in a manner that is fair to all sides."[3][4][5] President-elect Trump and his supporters filed legal motions in all three states to prevent the recounts.[6] Two other states were the subject of recount bids that were separate from Stein's efforts in the Rust Belt states: American Delta Party/Reform Party presidential candidate Rocky De La Fuente filed for a partial recount in Nevada on November 30,[7] and three Florida citizens filed for a complete hand recount in their state on December 6.[8]
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Background
After the election, a group of prominent computer scientists and election lawyers including J. Alex Halderman, (director of the University of Michigan Center for Computer Security and Society) and John Bonifaz, (founder of the National Voting Rights Institute) began studying the election results and found statistical anomalies. For example, Clinton's votes were 7% lower than expected in counties that used electronic voting machines to tally votes, as opposed to using paper ballots and optical scan voting systems;[18][19] in Wisconsin, there was a significant increase in the number of absentee ballots and Trump did far better than expected in counties that used only electronic voting; and there was a sizable increase in the number of ballots cast in Michigan that left the presidential field blank.[20]
The 2016 presidential election was also unprecedented in that, as The Guardian reports:
"The election had taken place against a backdrop of warnings from the US government that Russian hackers were scanning and probing the election systems of American states, and were behind the theft of emails from the Democratic National Committee and John Podesta, the chairman of Hillary Clintons presidential campaign. Eight days before the election, the White House had used an emergency hotline to warn Russia against further interference."[20]
The loose coalition of computer scientists and lawyers advocated for an election recount in three battleground states (Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan)[21] where President-elect Trump had narrow victories of less than 1%.[22] Trump won Michigan by 10,704 votes (0.2%), Pennsylvania by 49,543 (0.8%), and Wisconsin by 27,257 votes (0.7%). A shift of half of these from Trump to Clinton would mean Clinton would get enough electoral votes to win, and a shift in these states would constitute the smallest shift which would have this effect. In order to petition these states, a presidential candidate would need to file the recount request. Stein agreed to lead the effort after the group was unable to persuade the Clinton team to file.[20]
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DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)diva77
(7,643 posts)That is all.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)diva77
(7,643 posts)if I have further comment.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)take a shot at Hillary Clinton? It echoes Sen. Sanders ill advised comment regarding Hillary Clinton.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)to go public with what his campaign was observing, and to warn his followers not to fall for it. They would have been far more willing to listen to him than to Hillary.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)dalton99a
(81,515 posts)Me.
(35,454 posts)Cha
(297,285 posts)Aloha, Me
Cha
(297,285 posts)get it off him and right on to Hillary.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10263076
Me.
(35,454 posts)aloha Cha.....
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(297,285 posts)Really good to see you
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NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)Cha
(297,285 posts)Hekate
(90,714 posts)Did Bernie try to help get the message out? Did he admit in real time that his campaign was being helped by bots and trolls? Did he immediately jump in with a full-throated and honest defense and endorsement of Hillary? Did he publicly recognize the existential threat to our democracy?
I must have missed all that if he did. I seem to be missing it now.
Bye-bye Bernie.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)Against Trump, against the inaction of the Obama administration, against some of Bernie's supporters, against Jill Stein (who seemed to be gunning for Hillary, not Trump), against Putin. Even Biden says crap about her campaign now.
I've never seen a candidate take so much crap, and do it so gracefully.
Exotica
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Russian robbery on the backs of RW scum and delusional Bro's
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Well said.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Jakes Progress
(11,122 posts)If so, he'll run again. And again. And again.
I was with you for about two months Bernie. Then you became obvious.
DURHAM D
(32,610 posts)If he is in jail then the conduit might be broken.
ismnotwasm
(41,988 posts)Not even a little bit.
Tavarious Jackson
(1,595 posts)Perfect example. Blame the woman
Eyeball_Kid
(7,432 posts)Sanders will be in his mid-70s in 2020. Now, I'm not far behind Bernie in age, but I think that we need younger leaders to take up the leadership. Bernie's got great experience and terrific drive, and he's smart as all get-out, but he's way past his prime. The party needs an energy boost, and they're not going to get it from Sanders or HRC. Both need to take advisory and support roles.
As an aside, the quotes printed above give the impression that Sanders was referring to the Clinton campaign's knowledge of Russian interference in the campaigns in general, once again assuming that Sanders' campaign was clueless and had no idea that Russians were in the mix. That's a little hard to believe, given that Tad Devine has Ukrainian and Russian connections since well before he became Sanders' campaign manager. But in the long run, it probably doesn't matter. Sanders won't be in contention in 2020.
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Quayblue
(1,045 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Sanders not only acknowledging that Russians were all over the 2016 primaries and election but now blaming Hillary for it.
I wonder if they will pivot from not believing it occurred at all to blaming Hillary.
Cha
(297,285 posts)avoid taking any responsibility himself.. that's his go to.. Blame Hillary.
That really hasn't worked out so well for him.
Cha
(297,285 posts)why don't you take responsibility for yourself, sanders?
OnyxSharpie
(33 posts)Someone obviously wanted to take him down good, I listened to the whole segment. Kept hammering at him with the same gotcha question, inferring that he himself knew something about Russian interference and should have told his supporters about it - but did not - at the exact same time he was out campaigning for Hillary. This is innuendo, an obvious hit piece and it makes absolutely no sense to anyone with sense.
And, no... it will not finish him off. Keep dreaming.