What is it with the lunatic conspiracies re false flag and crisis actors?

[matt819]

I mean, really. This is just plain fucking insane. It makes LIHOP and MIHOP (for you young 'uns, look it up) look almost reasonable.

This would mean:
-- Fake 911 calls.
-- Fake police and emergency response.
-- Fake killer. Fake gun. Fake ammunition.
-- No one killed.
-- Fake funerals. Fake grieving.
-- Actors pretending to be victims. Actors pretending to be dead people. Actors pretending to be wounded.
-- Hospitals and doctors pretending to treat victims and lying about it.
-- Insurance companies paying on false claims.
-- Doctored radio calls and video.

This is sheer lunacy - are there words beyond insanity and lunacy? And yet it's out there, complete with "proof."

To say that this makes me sick is an understatement.

[aikoaiko]

1. You're right to reference LIHOP/MIHOP because ever since...

...the whacknut conspiracy theories happen. Mostly I blame Alex Jones.

[yallerdawg]

2. 63,000,000 jackasses are certifiably gullible.

It has been proven beyond any doubt these idiots will believe absolutely anything!

[shanny]

3. grasping at straws

also too, projection, since it is something they could see doing themselves

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

4. Same thing happened after Sandy Hook.

There are people who can't stand it that this is real and might influence politicians to make changes in gun laws, so they have to make up alternate scenarios. Social media makes it possible to spread this crap everywhere, and the gun-humpers are eager to believe it.

[Runningdawg]

5. Ignorance is bliss

They can't process the information, so it's fake.

[Wounded Bear]

6. For 9/11 I've always been a LIHOP believer...

They were obviously looking for an "event" but even they were surprised at how big it ended up being.

Almost all of the lasting damage done by the 9/11 attacks was self-inflicted.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

8. PNAC's "New Pearl Harbor"

I doubt that they MIHOP or LIHOP, but they, along with Dick Cheney and the rest of the George W. Bush (mis-)Administration and GOP, definitely exploited the hell out of it for their own goals, esp. in regards to Iraq.

[Wounded Bear]

11. I say LIHOP because they ignored intel all year leading up to the event...

and, IIRC held no senior intel staff meetings.

Yes they exploited it to the max.

And I need to apologize for hijacking this part of the thread.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

13. LIHOP and MIHOP

depend on them KNOWING first. If they held no senior intel staff meetings and didn't have the information, then they couldn't LIHOP or MIHOP. My whole theory is that they were too focused on carving up Iraq's oilfields and returning to Reagan-era military programs (i.e. "Star Wars&quot to be focused on Al-Queda as a security/intelligence concern, especially because they considered Clinton to have been obsessed with OBL and they were equally obsessed with doing the opposite of anything Clinton did/was doing before they took office. IMHO they simply got caught with their very expensive pants down on 09/11/01- for which they suffered no political or criminal consequences (W's poll numbers shot sky high) and, as you put it, exploited to the max.

[Wounded Bear]

15. Disagree...

LIHOP depends on sticking their fingers in their ears and intentionally ignoring the signs.

JMO.

[njhoneybadger]

7. That's how the GOP rolls now

It's not about the truth. It's about what they can convince tRump voters is true. (which is just about any fucking thing they the can dream up)

[Blue_Tires]

9. It's a distraction to muddle the message

[marylandblue]

10. Fear of their world view crumbling

All of these conspiracy theories are ways of shoring a world view that the person holds too dearly to let go. In the case of school shootings, they can't accept that a kid with an AR-15 can shoot up a school. That would mean that guns do in fact kill, not just people, but innocent children and they'd have to rethink their position on gun control. They come up with these stories to maintain the fiction that guns don't need to be regulated.

[D_Master81]

12. alex jones

somehow this man has become slightly relevant as he has over a million subs on youtube. I think it started after Sandy Hook. they create these scenarios where the gov't wants to take your guns to rule over you and they will do whatever is necessary. He'd be better off IMO going all "9/11 truther" and saying the gov't hires these shooters than to say its all an act.

[Hortensis]

17. Alex Jones is relevant? He's definitely powerful.

I'm not following your post, though. In suggesting what you believe would be a better set of lies, are you refuting the first ones?

[The_Casual_Observer]

14. These clowns project what they would be doing if they had the nerve

They are spoilers.

[TheBlackAdder]

16. It's either fact or fantasy. When Cons don't like the facts, they turn into bullshit factories.