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demmiblue

(36,865 posts)
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 09:56 AM Feb 2018

"My kids learned about Parkland today at school. After dinner my 9yo climbed onto my lap & asked..."

Will Bailey? @RepWillBailey

My kids learned about Parkland today at school.

After dinner my 9yo climbed onto my lap & asked if we own guns. I told her the truth. We do have one.

She started crying & said “Please let’s don’t anymore.”

We just got home from the police dept where together we got rid of it.


8:01 PM - 20 Feb 2018




Our kids are bearing such an immense burden.
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"My kids learned about Parkland today at school. After dinner my 9yo climbed onto my lap & asked..." (Original Post) demmiblue Feb 2018 OP
Hmmm . . . MichMary Feb 2018 #1
Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA demmiblue Feb 2018 #3
+++++++++++++++++ pangaia Feb 2018 #14
:D C Moon Feb 2018 #23
Why? Many people own no firearms. MineralMan Feb 2018 #4
It's probably more likely that they will be a target MichMary Feb 2018 #5
No, it won't be more likely, actually. MineralMan Feb 2018 #6
There are plenty of other ways treestar Feb 2018 #8
I want a "gun free zone" sign. Maybe. Ezior Feb 2018 #9
I have two dogs and they do a great job of protecting my family world wide wally Feb 2018 #11
Great dogs! MichMary Feb 2018 #12
They bark by nature when anything out of the ordinary happens. Like a stranger in the driveway. world wide wally Feb 2018 #13
Yes. And I'd guess dogs have scared off more intruders than the possibility of a gun in the house. C Moon Feb 2018 #25
total BS Larrybanal Feb 2018 #22
+1 n/t ffr Feb 2018 #15
WHY? I don't have a gun and never will.. pangaia Feb 2018 #16
Me too! BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #19
57 years old, never had a "real gun" in any of my houses. haele Feb 2018 #28
K&R... spanone Feb 2018 #2
I have gun-owning church obsessive friends who think I'm nuts not to have one hlthe2b Feb 2018 #7
When my girlfriend and I were talking about starting a family, spike jones Feb 2018 #10
You had to STOP SELLING WEED?? Well, ok but....... pangaia Feb 2018 #17
oh hell yes. spike jones Feb 2018 #27
This makes me seriously consider why I still own a shotgun ffr Feb 2018 #18
Proud of you MariaCSR Feb 2018 #20
Great...take note... masmdu Feb 2018 #21
You showed Scarsdale Feb 2018 #24
Taking active steps based on fear reinforces the fear. The result is phobia. TryLogic Feb 2018 #26

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
4. Why? Many people own no firearms.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 10:12 AM
Feb 2018

Do you think they should be frightened? Do you think someone will now go to that person's house and do them harm?

It's a pity to be so scared of the world, I think.

MichMary

(1,714 posts)
5. It's probably more likely that they will be a target
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 10:16 AM
Feb 2018

for robbery or whatever than their neighbors who may or may not have a gun. Just sayin'.

Do you have a sign in your front yard stating "Gun Free Zone?" Kind of like having a "Kick Me" sign on your back, don't you think?

MineralMan

(146,317 posts)
6. No, it won't be more likely, actually.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 10:23 AM
Feb 2018

And, no, I don't have such a sign in my yard. I have neighbors. We all keep an eye on what's happening on our block.

But, if you have your guns, probably nobody will break into your house to do you harm, any more than they will mine. Fears like that are toxic. They're also irrational.

Edit to add: That is a fictitious name in the Tweet. RepWillBailey is a character from "The West Wing." So, the bad guys will have to find his fictional house before he'll be in danger.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will_Bailey

Ezior

(505 posts)
9. I want a "gun free zone" sign. Maybe.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 10:38 AM
Feb 2018

»Do you have a sign in your front yard stating "Gun Free Zone?"«

Sounds like a nice idea to me. I have nothing of high value at home (or anywhere else, honestly…) other than my own life and that of my loved one.
If someone wants to make really sure that I own nothing valuable, and enters my home forcefully, I'd prefer if he/they knew that I don't own any guns. I'm sure that increases my chance of surviving the incident.

Though this is not something I worry about. I live in Germany, and as far as I know, it's pretty rare around here to be assaulted in your own home. There are lots of home intrusions, but they try to do it when nobody's home, and if somebody's home they usually flee as fast as they can. Which is what I'd try to do – get out as fast as I can, through a window if required (I live on the ground floor), and once I'm at a safe distance, call the police. They can take away my 5 year old TV (280€ at the time) or my close to 10 year old computer (800€), so what. If they find my 10 year old car keys (12.000€ at the time) and somehow manage to steal the car without giving the police a chance to stop them, that sucks for the insurance company.

world wide wally

(21,744 posts)
11. I have two dogs and they do a great job of protecting my family
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 11:45 AM
Feb 2018

In case you are thinking Dobermans or something, they are Border Collies

 

Larrybanal

(227 posts)
22. total BS
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:55 PM
Feb 2018

it is a fact that people that try to use guns for defense often are over powered and have the weapon used against them...just say'n

BigmanPigman

(51,609 posts)
19. Me too!
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:20 PM
Feb 2018

No one in my family ever did. I think someone like my grandfather had an air rifle, what ever that is. I have a little dog and a crowbar under my bed. That seems sufficient and realistic to me. I lock my doors and have excellent hearing and reflexes. That is how I feel safe at home. People are paranoid and that fuels the fire for guns. Maybe it started with the survivalists in the 70s and 80s. I always viewed them as idiots and nuts.

haele

(12,660 posts)
28. 57 years old, never had a "real gun" in any of my houses.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:32 PM
Feb 2018

My dad who spent his senior year as an assistant track and field (and wrestling) coach had an old starter's pistol - an air gun type - with a few blanks that had rusted up by the time my younger brother was 7 and got up into my parent's closet to take it down and start "playing" with it.
That pistol ended up getting cut up with a welding torch soon after.

Growing up, I lived in all sorts of "dangerous lower class" or struggling neighborhoods until my parents had a steady job and moved into a "gentrifying" neighborhood. I still have lived in mostly lower or working class neighborhoods, much to my step-daughter's in-laws chagrin, and my neighbors have always known we had good quality "stuff" - just not a lot of it.

It's only been twice that my parents or I were ever burgled - each time, we were living in a "better" neighborhood, and it was the middle class neighbor's kids or their friends who went to the local "upscale" public schools who waited until we weren't at home to break in - mostly on a lark. My mom lost some jewelry, but my place ended up trashed because all they could find was about $20 in a change jar; they couldn't find anything else that could be quickly pawned off or sold to their buddies.

Most people I know who had guns and were burgled lost their guns - because despite what the TV shows and media claim, unless it's an intimidation-based "someone in your family was a member of a gang" type home invasion, most burglars - even the druggies - will wait until no one's in the house before they break in. I've lived in SoCal "Gang Central" for years - members of MS-13, Asian-Boys, and the Bloods lived in my neighborhood - and this is the way it is...

If you're known to have guns or bling items, they'll wait until you're gone and rob your house.
If you're an opposing gang member, or if your kid(s) willingly or were intimidated into joining a gang, they'll use your home as an initiation rite location and barge in to rob and kill you or your gang-member child.
As for protection from drive-byes or "hits", a gun in the home, or even a gun on your person is little to no protection, and is typically more danger to the rest of the neighborhood caught in any sort of crossfire.

Guns at home are not really protection from the human "animals". Maybe protection from critters like coyotes and foxes, or to intimidate the neighbor kids or transients from cutting across your property while you're there, but not much more.

Most of the time, people who want to take your stuff or do you "harm" will just wait until you're gone, break in, and take your guns. Or they'll rush in to get the drop on you to shoot you and anyone else at your home, and get your guns.
As was taught to me in the military, the reason why they call it "getting the drop on you" - you don't get the time needed to react to protect yourself or your cohorts with your own weapon - the only time you have is to drop to the ground or run to the nearest hiding place. When someone has a drop on you, you've got a 95% chance of being killed or otherwise have your ability to act from you.

Haele


hlthe2b

(102,292 posts)
7. I have gun-owning church obsessive friends who think I'm nuts not to have one
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 10:23 AM
Feb 2018

to which I tell them that...

I'd rather be dead than have to live my life living with the knowledge, regret, and guilt of having killed someone-- by accident, an innocent, and perhaps even in the case of killing a supposed "bad guy"

I take precautions, I have a dog (who'd likely never even bark, but still...) and I carry a small wand of pepper spray on my keychain. I'm aware of who is around me and I lock doors.

But, no, I don't want a damned gun.

spike jones

(1,680 posts)
10. When my girlfriend and I were talking about starting a family,
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 11:26 AM
Feb 2018

she set these parameters. We should get married, I had to stop rock climbing, we would stop selling weed, and I had to get rid of the single shot 22 rifle. It is the best deal I ever made.

ffr

(22,670 posts)
18. This makes me seriously consider why I still own a shotgun
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:17 PM
Feb 2018

We, my brother and I, were given one at Xmas when we were of age. It just collects dust. I don't like shooting it. I don't like the responsibility of having it in the house. I think the time has come to get rid of it. Hadn't thought of that until now.

TryLogic

(1,723 posts)
26. Taking active steps based on fear reinforces the fear. The result is phobia.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:02 PM
Feb 2018

Just listen to gun lovers. They "all" sound "paranoid".

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