It's simple: Treat guns like cars.

[DetlefK]

Last edited Thu Feb 22, 2018, 03:31 AM - Edit history (1)

- Only certified gun-manufacturers and gun-shops are allowed to build and own firearm-parts. Manufacturing your own gun-parts is illegal.

- Every gun and their owner gets into a federal registry at the FBI. Any gun not in that registry is automatically illegal.

- Before you can operate a gun, you must pass a mandatory training-course similar to a driving-school. Operating a gun without a license is illegal.

- When buying a gun, the vendor must do a background-check with the local police-department. No sale until you are cleared.

- When owning a gun, a gun-insurance is mandatory, to cover any medical costs.


EDIT:
I see, there are many posts that misunderstood my OP. My intention was to use cars as a baseline, and to build on top of that.

[rownesheck]

1. I agree.

I've never understood the reluctance of gun people to register their guns. They always mumble something about "gubmint" but yet they have cars. I guess they don't understand what those stickers on their cars are.

[hack89]

15. Because no one can explain how it will stop gun deaths.

It is irrelevant to two thirds of gun deaths - they are suicides.

It is irrelevant to mass shootings - they are crazy and don't care. Adam Lanza's gun was registered.

It is more than irrelevant to criminals - due to 5th amendment issues they can not legally be required to register their guns.

Canada had a long gun registry. They scrapped it because it was outrageously expensive, full of mistakes, and they were unable to show it had any impact on gun crimes.

[alarimer]

2. Many European countries do.

There is no reason we cannot have education requirements for firearms. We do for boating (and we should actually do a lot more of this, but I digress). A 3-4 day class, covering all aspects. You would also have to qualify at a shooting range, like a driver's test, every couple of years. There would be requirements that your guns and ammo be locked up, separately, and once a year an inspector would come to your home to check. Also you would have to be licensed and bonded so that if you injured someone, accidentally or on purpose, they would be compensated.

None of those things would run afoul of the 2nd Amendment.

[hack89]

12. Care to guess what organization has a near monoploy on gun safety training?

Care to guess what organization sells the most gun liability insurance? Care to guess who trains and certifies nearly every small arms instructor in America?

You will make them a fortune.

[MichMan]

3. Never knew that it was illegal to fabricate a part for my car?

[WillowTree]

4. Car dealerships get background checks before they sell cars? Thats a new one on me.

And I and my car are listed in some "federal registry at the FBI"? Really?

And, as I've had to tell several people already, firearms liability insurance is fine, just don't think it will do anyone any good in situations like school shootings 'cause it won't.

[oneshooter]

5. So my permit to carry is good in all 50 states, and territories? n/t

[WillowTree]

6. Apparently the OP thinks it should be.

[dsp3000]

8. state to state laws

Isn't one of the big problems w/ gun laws are that they are different from each state? Wouldn't it be a better thing to have a national law that's consistent everywhere?

[turnitup]

7. only problem with that

is it hurts the poor. They may want to go hunting or just have a gun for protection. let's use your "treat guns like cars" I know people who are so poor I bring them food once in a while, maybe more. I also help with clothing their small children. I know many of them are driving illegal cars, their not insured or registered. Some are registered but don't have insurance.

They get snap and medicaid, but those who think it's enough to survive they are wrong

[kcr]

10. Sorry, but the answer isn't to let them go unregulated and let the mass shootings continue

Just so the poor aren't affected by regulations that saves lives. Cars are much more necessary for day to day living for a lot of people and yet we regulate them.

[turnitup]

13. My point was

even tho we have regulations on cars they are still not followed by some. Capice

[kcr]

18. That point wasn't even a little bit evident in your post, for one thing

But I'll address it anyway. Laws and regulations are still valid and important even if they don't have 100% compliance.

[LexVegas]

9. I own car parts and sometimes fab my own. I don't have to get a background check to buy a car.

[logosoco]

11. But in a sense you do, unless you are paying cash.

They check your credit rating if you are financing the purchase.

[kcr]

14. The problem with your framing is already showing itself in this thread.

Yes, guns should be regulated. But not because they're like cars. Gun nuts already make all kinds of false equivalencies regarding guns and cars and they're doing it in this thread. Guns shouldn't be regulated because they're like cars because they're not. They should be regulated up the wazoo because they're actual deadly weapons manufactured for that purpose.

[aikoaiko]

16. Hmm.

- One can manufacture car parts without any special designation. Car restorers are using 3-D printers to manufacture hard to get parts.

- I don't know the FBI had a registry of all cars. Is that true?


- licenses are needed to drive cars on public roads but you can drive without licenses in private property. And you can drive any kind of car on private property like a high-powered race car. So one test is good for life like a car DL ( as long as it is renewed)?

- I didn't know the police did a background check on me when I bought a car. I thought it was just a credit check.

- I don't think insurance applies to vehicles on private property.

Are you sure about this?

[hack89]

17. You know that insurance will not cover deliberate criminal acts.? nt

[hack89]

19. One major flaw - criminals and felons cannot be force to register their guns

so you will have to rethink that one.

The NRA will love your plan - it will make them a fortune. Care to guess who has a near monopoly on gun safety training and instructor certification? They also sell more gun liability insurance then anyone else.

[Captain Stern]

20. We don't treat cars like that at all.

The ideas are worth consideration on their merits, but none of them have the least bit to do with how we treat cars.

It's not illegal to make your own car parts.

Every car owner is not in a federal registry at the FBI

You don't have take a mandatory training course to operate a car

You don't have to pass a background check to buy a car.

And you don't have to have insurance to own a car.

[hunter]

21. Nah, it's time to make gun fetishes socially unacceptable, as we have done with drunk driving...

... or smoking.

The law will follow.

I'm old enough to remember people bragging about their prowess as drunk drivers, staggering out of parties, car keys in hand. In those days the cops might pull them over and give them a warning, maybe even follow them home to make sure they got there safely. Now it's a criminal offence.

I remember people smoking in the produce section of the grocery store, dropping cigarette butts on the floor, smashing them out, and lighting up another. That would get you kicked out of the grocery store today. I remember people smoking at work. I remember breakfast places filled with smoke. All gone.

Things will change when we confront gun fetishists, when spouses and lovers, parents and children, friends and communities say "no."

We love you, honey, but it's us or the guns.

Gun fetishes are disgusting.

[Initech]

22. Drivers get put on an FBI watch list? WTF?