Folks, they're gone. Over the edge.

[underpants]

Last night I was reading through some of their sites. It started on Facebook and I delved into what is usually weirdo land but not this unhinged.

It culminated this morning when I read a post from someone with whom I served in the Army.
This is about one of the Parkland kids who has become THE main target in bizarro land.

He is NOT a student! He is 26 years old and is a paid crisis actor. News organizations hire him to be a scripted witness or survivor. He has been at multiple shootings as a 'survivor'. He is also a meth user recently arrested in South Carolina.

[vercetti2021]

1. Desperation

They'll stoop to any low they can. These people are freaking insane...not like the fun conspiracies back in the 90's with Area 51, Bigfoot, Art Bell...nothing like that now.

They've become so unplugged from reality that everything is questioned. Thanks Alex Jones and the fuckshits of the right for that.

But they are super desperate and they are scared of these kids and what they are capable of. Nothing is stopping this, not this time. The bar has been reached.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Only the RepubliCONNED believe meth addicts make the best actors. . . . . nt

[vercetti2021]

17. Makes me wonder if they have ever seen a meth head

Like go on Google Images and search for meth users and then tell me again if this kid looks like a meth user. But then again these stupid shits believe there's a sex ring in a pizza parlor

[longship]

40. ...in the basement of a building without one.

[vercetti2021]

44. Maybe it has a revolving bookcase

They didn't move the candle...

[longship]

49. Love it!!

Thanks.

[vercetti2021]

60. You're welcome lol

Have a good day love!

[salin]

21. true and hilarious response!

[Cary]

2. That's my experience too

Gone and I don't see them ever coming back.

[JNelson6563]

3. Anyone provide evidence?

Of course lunatics aren't known for "standards".

[Bernardo de La Paz]

12. There is, however, lots of evidence for one paid protester

That would be Mike Pence who used about $250,000 of public funds, when all accounted for, to go to a football game and leave after the National Anthem as a protest against a protest by players.

It was planned so that he had just enough time to do that on his way out to a fundraiser in Nevada. His people told the press to stay in the van or bus because he wouldn't be at the game long.

[Dave Starsky]

26. Indeed.

And they need to be reminded of this every time they bring this B.S. up.

[underpants]

25. No

It's pieces here and there slowly released so they will flood the medium of choice with it.

[ehrnst]

4. They're doing what they did with Obama

They can't justify being knee jerk angry at these kids, so they have to convince themselves that these kids are not what they seem to be.

[JawJaw]

15. You're right.

A very astute observation.

[Botany]

5. And how many are Russian bots?

n/t

[ehrnst]

20. I'm sure there are quite a few, but they are being shared all over FB

by actual people, just like during the General election.

Those believing the bots are just as culpable.

[Hortensis]

6. They were gone a long time ago. I suspect we're

underestimating their ability to change what they believe. though. If they had better leaders who told them to think differently, they would. (Not too much too fast, or they'd reject the leaders.)

What I can't imagine being so changeable is the enmity that's been crafted in minds vulnerable to it against Democrats/liberals through massive villification and demonizing. Their fears and hates tend to dominate conservative reactions.

However, Russians were once the big enemy who must be defeated. They only shifted to looking inward for a new existential threat with the end of the cold war. So, if the right eventually refocuses their fears on an external threat, perhaps we may see some stand down of hostilities internally.

Of course their handlers know this. They're working hard to maintain the division they created so we can't unite to get control of our nation. My question is how long the more sensible conservatives will take to reject Putin and the massive corruption Russia is exporting here.

[underpants]

24. You are right

What I posted in the OP was this guy's summary of all the crap he was posting throughout the night. They have a mugshot that looks as much like the Parkland kid (David Hogg) as much as I look like Robert Redford. They bought it though. Literally pouring alcohol down their own throats now and their sources slowly release more every hour or so.

[Hortensis]

30. Awful. Quinipiac says 97% of gun OWNERS support universal

background checks, though, same as 97% of all American polled. When do we get 97% agreement on any issue?! This is amazing.

And it means that nearly as many of those hearing about attacks on the students by the likes of this guy, Donald Junior and Dinesh D'Souza are not with them on the guns issue, even if they believe evil conspiracies. (Speaking of, the Russians reportedly are pouring major pro-gun anti-student alcohol on this fire.)

Will this open more eyes?

[PatrickforO]

38. We'll get 97% agreement on this issue when the 97% supporting it show up at the polls

and vote the NRA shills out of office.

Not until, I fear.

[Hortensis]

50. But we DO HAVE @97% agreement on this one issue,

Patrick. We can't vote by clicking our choice on each issue, or we'd see what you're calling for. Unfortunately, we can only make blanket votes for a goulash of issues of various importance to us by voting for representatives, with control shifted to those representatives and party.

But this massive electoral coming together on an issue at any other time would force immediate change supported by both parties. Before the Republican Party was taken over by its donor classes.

[PatrickforO]

56. Right.....but the politicians like the ones in FL who did a knee-jerk 'no' vote

on even discussing background checks keep getting elected...

Hence my point.

Over 50% of us want single payer healthcare, too. We don't have that either because of corporate capitalist corruption.

[Hortensis]

63. We don't have it, Patrick, because too few voted

knowledgeably and responsibly. Corruption is real, but big only because WE've been failing to control it. We are 225,000,000 eligible voters, and we have something like 500-600 billionaires and 15-16,000 centimillionaires, only a minority of those anti-government/anti-regulation/anti-democracy to an evil, dangerous degree.

Virtually all political power comes from the electorate. Why else would those "corrupt corporatist" hot shots bother to even give us a "drop dead" in passing? Our politicians must have our support to get elected, so how the hell can they serve anyone but us if we don't let them?

The 40% of the electorate who didn't vote at all in 2016 don't realize that not voting just means their citizen power is not directed by them. Our power as members of the electorate is a real, living thing that, directly or indirectly, always ends up in the hands of various elected officials. The vote allows us to try to direct it to those representatives who most share our goals and values.

And then there are all those, left and right, who voted very badly; different people for various reasons, but all making horrible mistakes that put dangerous, destructive people in power.

For anyone on the left who made an effort to honestly educate (both key words) himself, the choice was as clear as it ever could be, literally coming down to a choice between A or B, between good or evil, between will of a majority of Americans or the will of the wealthy, yet too many were not up to it.

Not incidentally, "corporate," "capitalist," and "corruption" mean real things, of course, but for some they have also become emotional words that activate gut-level reactions, bypassing intellectual analysis. They were all intensively used by Russia and "corporatist" powers in 2016 as agitprop tools to steer opinion, pretty much like rings in the noses of cows, but attached at the navel instead.

Doubt it? Choose any name at random, "Harry Clancy," and the put those words in front of it and see what you think of poor imaginary Harry.

[yardwork]

7. The NRA responds this way to every mass shooting.

They did the same to Sandy Hook parents.

People who repeat these lies need to be shamed. Shame is our best weapon.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

13. Yes, jack them up and make them look even more ridiculous. Can change the wobbly middle.

The more extreme and ridiculous the Trumpanzees and gunbots look, the more the wobbly middle leans and shifts to progressive positions.

[UpInArms]

8. Oh dear gawd

I am so sorry for your loss .. your friend is gone ...

Let us worry only about the children now ..

[Wednesdays]

73. Um, what?

Please elaborate.

[UpInArms]

74. If that was ever your friend,

He has definitely gone to the dark side

Thus, my condolences

[moondust]

9. Lost souls.

CNN interviewed a somewhat haggard older woman who had posted a lot of stuff on Facebook during the election campaign that has since been discovered to have come from a Russian troll farm. She refused to believe the CNN reporter who told her what it was, calling it bullshit and calling him fake news to his face.

I have a cousin who pushed the NRA's line on Facebook by likening a mass shooting to a car wreck, noting the problem is the driver and not the car. Another cousin chimed in that traffic laws didn't stop the car wreck from happening so...(presumably gun laws won't stop mass shootings either).

It's getting weird out there.

[underpants]

22. Yes she is now a new hero. Harangued by that even CNN reporter

Not that I care much for him but still they have turned her into a hero

Link to twitter in post 30 here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=10264740

[BSdetect]

10. Lunacy is contagious.

[Locrian]

11. the insanity is not the bug it's the feature

Yes - some are batshit crazy. And all are disgusting

But the hyperbole and fantasy etc is their new "culture".
It's the culture of being a "dispurtor" and gaining troll power over it.

They're nihilists. They live in a world where they embrace "nothing" and seek to destroy and ridicule anyone who is human.
Ironically - it's the only way they can "feel".

They're the zombie / walking dead / equivalent of human beings.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

16. Not that any of this is funny

But for entertainment purposes you might want to pose the question why they're willing to believe politicians who have taken millions of dollars from the NRA are the honest ones and a bunch of kids who just went through a horrific experience are the dishonest ones on the take.

[Squinch]

19. Good question, but I doubt it will make it through their fog of lunacy.

[Iggo]

18. Anything to save the guns. To hell with the children.

[Generic Brad]

23. Where is the Paid Crisis Actor Agency located?

I will be out of work after Friday and am looking for some quick cash.

[underpants]

27. Funny comment I saw last night while reading through all this

The context for this joke (I think) is that David Hogg was on a news report from California last summer. Vacationing and cross country travel didn't resonate enough for these people to see they were being duped.


Yes they were THIS close if you don't think about it.

His lifetime of training to be the lead crisis actor in a staged event in an affluent liberal area of Florida complete with helicopters, first responders, video and audio (not posting that it's horrible) recordings from inside this staged event all went up in smoke because websites defined by their crazed, often racist, cockamamie conspiracy theories for their gullible followers happened to find the THE lead crisis actor who had allowed himself to appear on camera in the second largest city in the country while ostensibly being on vacation ....or something.

Damn, this close. Who would have ever thought a bunch of conmen posing as news operations would have uncovered this in the digital age we live in?

[Freddie]

53. And call George Soros

Ask where's your $$.

[DetlefK]

28. If he were a crisis-actor, his face would show up in all kinds of videos and news.

[underpants]

29. But it DID! He was seen in the TV in California. CALIFORNIA!!!

Video here. Vacationing and cross country travel didn't seem to register with these people.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017481086

A still pic from this was part of the first post I saw. It was all rabbit hole from there

[ProfessorGAC]

59. Vacation, Schmacation

Everyone knows you can't get from Florida to California without a visa and secret government clearance.

[underpants]

64. LOL

[sarah FAILIN]

31. They're eat up with it

There is an obviously edited pic of a group smiling and they're trying to make it out to be the kids after the shooting. That with the crises actor bs is too much.

[brooklynite]

32. I got that TWICE in a Twitter thread...

Link to tweet

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[underpants]

41. Yep.

The news report about the incident in California involving a boogie board on a trash can (that Hogg recorded) has morphed into a shooting.

The crystal meth mugshot is something else too.

[forgotmylogin]

33. My thoughts and prayers for the sanity they've all lost. (n/t)

[CozyMystery]

34. I don't trust duped people to own guns -- they are not mentally stable.

My neighbor has an arsenal of guns. He target shoots outside when it's warmish, and through his open windows when it is too cold.

He needs these guns to protect him from burglars (in 72 years, none have showed up), and to kill people who try to steal his food and supplies (especially his guns and ammo) when the liberals ruin the country and leave everyone starving.

His arsenal includes automatic weapons -- at least it sounds like a war zone out there when he and his friends target shoot.

He loves Trump. He worships at the altar of the NRA.

I'd like to know how anyone could think these conspiracy theorists could possibly be anything but delusional. These beliefs are not the products of a stable minds.

The only good thing is he has stopped sending me emails about these conspiracies -- which are designed to whip crazy gun owners (not all are crazy of course) into a frenzy. He stopped because he thinks I am the crazy one because I didn't drink the Kool-Aid.

[underpants]

39. Through an open window??? Sounds like this guy

Florida man arrested for allegedly turning his apartment into indoor shooting range

http://fox43.com/2018/02/19/florida-man-arrested-for-allegedly-turning-his-apartment-into-indoor-shooting-range/

CAPE CORAL, Fla. — A Florida man was arrested Sunday after allegedly trying to turn his Cape Coral apartment into an indoor shooting range, according to the Cape Coral Police Department.

Ivan Bakh, 61, was charged when his neighbors called police to report that they were awakened by a loud bang and found a large hole in the headboard of their beds, just over their heads.

A second hole was discovered in the dresser mirror at the foot of the victims’ bed, police say. Further investigation from the victims uncovered another hole in the adjacent living room (on the other side of the wall from the dresser mirror) and a fourth hole in the living room’s far wall.

[Grins]

45. Whut? He doesn't look like a Mooselim! N/M

[CozyMystery]

75. One difference -- we live in a rural area and...

apparently there are no rules here.

[weissmam]

35. This only happens when the wing nuts get

SCARED

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

36. Sounds like this "liberal actor plant" might be related to this guy

[FakeNoose]

47. LOL! It's so obviously fake and yet this photo fooled a lot of people

I remember a few days, less than a week, after 9/11 and my "old lady" friends were emailing me this picture. I had to point out all the reasons why the photo was fake. But that didn't stop the old ladies from forwarding it to all their friends.

Oh my God, I just realized these fake photos from 9/11 were probably the beginning of the "fake news" syndrome that's so rampant these days. Those old ladies started it all with their complete naivete.

[DownriverDem]

37. Hateful Fools

Okay. How many of us (maybe even you) were student leaders in high school? I remember them well. They spoke in front of audiences all the time. These young folks are student leaders. I can't believe what the right is doing. May they all rot in hell, if there is a hell.

[Chemisse]

42. Right. And Sandy Hook was just a made up story too.

These people will believe anything.

[Grins]

43. Who knew meth users could be so producticve?

There's no link so I'm assuming they are taking shots at that 17-year old at Parkland? The boy whom the son of the orange-headed howler monkey slandered earlier?

[underpants]

54. Yep.

David Hogg.

[wiggs]

48. More GOP projection. Remember the pics and video of protestors outside the florida

recount office? Outraged 'citizens' trying to stop the recount? No. Turns out they were all paid operatives, mostly from Tom Delay's office.

Troublemakers at occupy events trying to foment violence? Paid infiltrators.

Tea Party early events? Fake grass roots momentum paid for by Americans for Prosperity

Now...fake anti-dem, social media comments are actually paid imposters

Fake forgeries, fake intelligence, fake chemical weapons cartoons, fake flyers regarding voting dates, fake stories about illegitimate black children, fake stories about war heroes, fake pedophile stories in pizza parlors.....etc etc etc

[underpants]

52. Paid actors at Trump's campaign launch

which of course was turned around by a satire sight into Dems hiring protesters

[Nitram]

51. "Paid crisis actor." The deluded leading the deluded.

[ProfessorGAC]

55. DU Lawyers, Please Opine

Isn't what UP quoted justification for a defamation suit? Maybe not, but it sure seems like it is to a layman.

I get that it's not libel, because one has to knowingly tell an untruth for that, but the standard for defamation is quite different, no?

[Renew Deal]

57. Ask him for evidence

[underpants]

65. Oh they've got evidence

Pictures from the internet

It just kept snowballing. What I posted was the culmination of what he'd seen all day. The crystal meth mugshot is actually laughable.

[beaglelover]

58. The mouthbreathers at our sister site certainly believe they were crisis actors.

These guys are total loons. Losers!

https://www.discussionist.com/10151635005

https://www.discussionist.com/10151635296

[demmiblue]

61. It is still hard to believe that the admins provide a platform for that kind of spew. n/t

[Kali]

71. even most of the wingers know that guy is a lonely boy who can't get a date

a true example of a mom's basement dwelling troll. frightened at pants-wetting levels of women, and posting silly MRA and racist claptrap all day.

[world wide wally]

62. I'm sure they saw Muslims dancing on New Jersey rooftops after the Twin Towers came down too.

All the way from Iowa!

[ChoppinBroccoli]

66. It's Gone Even Further Than That

On my Facebook feed, I saw someone post this same conspiracy nonsense, but it took it SO much further. Not only was this kid an FBI plant who is a paid crisis actor, but he's the son of a retired FBI agent (this part is true, and they only know this because the kid said as much in many interviews--he's not trying to hide it), and now for some reason, his retired FBI agent father is a BILLIONAIRE who's funding these kids (because how could teenage kids ever be smart enough to organize a protest?) Every day it gets more and more absurd.

[underpants]

70. Yeah, as I said above this was the culmination of stories he'd been posting

and replying to. One FB thread was the sweet spot of Facebook lunacy.

You probably saw the same crap:
The 5-6 pictures with the kid, smiling pic with reporter, smiling group pic,still from the California news story
Then it was an edited interview where he was "forgetting his lines" - that included an obvious voice overdub with the news crew supposedly coaching him on
Pics of him in a CNN tshirt
THEN the crystal meth mugshot
Etc.

[B2G]

67. Who are they referring to?? nt

[underpants]

68. .

David Hogg

[B2G]

69. I thought as much.

Their new poster boy for character assassination.

[Initech]

72. It's best we ignore these assholes.

They are not paid actors and I hope they let the whole world know it. Fuck Infowars.

[Beartracks]

76. They will believe anything. Except the truth. n/t

[krispos42]

77. And this is why I'm not on Facebook

Oh, I have an account. I post pictures there once, twice a year. Those other times, I forget I have it. Never check it, never go there.

Got really tired of incredibly stupid memes floating around of conservative origin (usually) that would make me have a prolonged counter-argument in my head long after the meme had scrolled off.

Hence the power of bumper-sticker politics: a picture and a half-dozen words is far, far more effective than the damn counter argument with facts.

2016 was a painful year.

[Alwaysna]

78. What? No video of him

Taking a dump on the flag?