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spanone

(135,844 posts)
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:34 PM Feb 2018

Why Thomas Friedman issued a 'code red' warning to America

Thomas Friedman doesn't scare easily.

The New York Times op-ed columnist is best known for his sober columns about foreign policy and technology.

That's why his Monday column stood out. "Our democracy is in serious danger," he wrote in the opening line. "President Trump is either totally compromised by the Russians or is a towering fool, or both, but either way he has shown himself unwilling or unable to defend America against a Russian campaign to divide and undermine our democracy."

There was something about his last paragraph, in particular, that struck a chord. "This is code red," he wrote. "The biggest threat to the integrity of our democracy today is in the Oval Office."

Friedman's column lit up on social media when it was posted on NYTimes.com on Sunday night. Thirty six hours later, it is still No. 1 on the site's "most emailed articles" list. It is also No. 1 on the site's "most shared articles on Facebook" list. There have been more than 2,700 comments so far.


http://money.cnn.com/2018/02/20/media/thomas-friedman-new-york-times-column/index.html
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Why Thomas Friedman issued a 'code red' warning to America (Original Post) spanone Feb 2018 OP
Th control of all parts of the Government edhopper Feb 2018 #1
Hope you brought a lawn chair, to sit in and grouse while the rest of us rescue the country. (n/t) FreepFryer Feb 2018 #2
".. a lawn chair.." Right.. we need all Cha Feb 2018 #39
You misunderstand edhopper Feb 2018 #47
I dont misunderstand. I disagree. Much - but not yet enough - is being done. Reject Fatalism. (n/t) FreepFryer Feb 2018 #50
Then we do disagree edhopper Feb 2018 #55
200,000,000 registered voters, edhopper, maybe 16,000 Hortensis Feb 2018 #46
Read my post #47 edhopper Feb 2018 #48
Oh, the country will last. What's dismantled can be rebuilt, Hortensis Feb 2018 #56
+1. Getting Citizens United/Corp citizenship repealed is crucial to prevent more of the same. (n/t) FreepFryer Feb 2018 #61
ASAP. CU is a SCOTUS decision, of course, and Hortensis Feb 2018 #62
he is a bit late to the fucking party, isn't he? Skittles Feb 2018 #3
+1 dalton99a Feb 2018 #6
bedazzled Hermit-The-Prog Feb 2018 #12
What! You mean the Mustache of Understanding didn't notice until now?!?! scarletwoman Feb 2018 #16
The prayer wheel! Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #34
Remember? Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #35
Hi Gabi! The Prayer Wheel has always been there. scarletwoman Feb 2018 #65
'the Mustache of Understanding' bigtree Feb 2018 #49
Do you remember the "Get Your War On" comics from during the bush* maladministration? scarletwoman Feb 2018 #64
We've been saying it. bdamomma Feb 2018 #21
I'll accept anyone, anytime who comes back to reality. Pobeka Feb 2018 #31
What to do about Fox News? Sophia4 Feb 2018 #4
maybe a few folks will go to jail. mopinko Feb 2018 #7
There is an historical precedent. ChazInAz Feb 2018 #9
As for Tokyo Rose, she got off lightly, considering. Wednesdays Feb 2018 #43
Happy Wednesday! True Dough Feb 2018 #51
There should be a law that requires reasonable neutrality in order... Lucky Luciano Feb 2018 #11
There was. It was called the Fairness Doctrine. Mr.Bill Feb 2018 #14
Yup orangecrush Feb 2018 #25
Indeed GeoWilliam750 Feb 2018 #22
"The biggest threat to the integrity of our democracy today is in the Oval Office." dalton99a Feb 2018 #5
boy, nothing gets past that Tom Friedman ProfessorPlum Feb 2018 #8
Sharp as a beach ball, that Friedman. JHB Feb 2018 #38
He's coming up on Lawrence malaise Feb 2018 #10
I just saw him...very good! BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #13
Agree malaise Feb 2018 #23
For any youngsters out there, google: friedman unit hibbing Feb 2018 #15
Also - google "The Mustache of Understanding" scarletwoman Feb 2018 #18
Or "Suck On This" wellst0nev0ter Feb 2018 #19
Never forgive this Blecht Feb 2018 #33
Still hate that f*cker. Thanks for the refresher. Crunchy Frog Feb 2018 #36
Who does he mean when says "WE should go over there...," did he take part in combat operations??? FreeStateDemocrat Feb 2018 #52
Holy shit! As someone who mocked him, along with his Mighty Mustache of Guy Whitey Corngood Feb 2018 #24
Taibbi, IIRC Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #32
What is the Republican party doing. erlewyne Feb 2018 #17
Thomas Friedman bdamomma Feb 2018 #20
Read the article SCantiGOP Feb 2018 #26
yes it will. spanone Feb 2018 #27
Just heard him on LOD Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #28
This is why I think Mueller will indict Trump. To send a message as to how serious this is. nt Quixote1818 Feb 2018 #29
"Thomas Friedman, Iraq war booster" moondust Feb 2018 #30
Would you rather he be cheerleading the other side? Wednesdays Feb 2018 #44
I'd rather moondust Feb 2018 #54
Did he mention the word "Republican" at all ? OnDoutside Feb 2018 #37
Yeah, Thomas Freidman.. but he still got Cha Feb 2018 #40
Mahalo Cha! spanone Feb 2018 #41
Better Late Than Never colsohlibgal Feb 2018 #42
About 3 Friedman Units too late The Polack MSgt Feb 2018 #45
Nice Proud Liberal Dem Feb 2018 #53
The "Moustache of Understanding" gets it. madinmaryland Feb 2018 #57
people still pay attention to Thomas Friedman? cab67 Feb 2018 #58
I like the posts on this thread. PatrickforO Feb 2018 #59
Trump's presdency was meant to divide and conquer us. nocalflea Feb 2018 #60
Friedman should be telling us to wait six months and see... Orsino Feb 2018 #63

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
1. Th control of all parts of the Government
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:40 PM
Feb 2018

is with the GOP. Nothing will be done.
We can only hope we last until something can be done.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
47. You misunderstand
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:15 PM
Feb 2018

or rather I worded poorly. Nothing will be done while the GOP controls everything. Something will only happen after the Dems can take back the Government.
I was saying I hope the country last the next few years until something can be done.

edhopper

(33,587 posts)
55. Then we do disagree
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 02:33 PM
Feb 2018

I think it foolish to expect anyone in the GOP to go after Trump.
It will take a Dem Congress, and hopefully a new Dem President in 2020.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
46. 200,000,000 registered voters, edhopper, maybe 16,000
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:53 PM
Feb 2018

centimillionaires and billionaires. That's 14,000 of us to each 1 of them.

COUNTDOWN TO MOPPING THE FLOOR WITH THEIR CONGRESSIONAL STOOGES: 257 days.

On that day, we will provide far better data for the 2020 census and a Democratic-controlled congress will take over until 2020. Step by massive step.





Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
56. Oh, the country will last. What's dismantled can be rebuilt,
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 06:18 PM
Feb 2018

and better for some major shaking up. A big part of what's happening is attempts to institutionalize corruption, restructure our government to serve a few. The worst damage will be done to our ethical norms. But whatever we inherit, we will live with while we fix it and move ahead. Right now many are busily fighting to limit damage to institutions and injury to people.

Part of facing this bravely is not flapping our hands but understanding that we do have power too. You wouldn't be posting this OP if you read the many things people are doing to combat this attempt at takeover.

The huge thing, of course, is that the law is on our side. It really would be all over if the law was on the side of the Vichy and Banana Republicans. But it's not. It's a major barrier to them, the more so as they fear prison. SCOTUS is a worry of course, as serious losses there would take much longer to fix, but most of the judiciary is on our side.

But many people in public and private institutions are on our side. Many foreign governments are on our side.

And we also have over 200 years of deeply engrained democratic traditions that are what America means to its people. They've been careless about it because it's so much us we never really thought we could lose it. But we had a majority of the electorate even before the 2016 wakeup call. We lost in in 2016 only because of new types of machinations to keep people from voting for us, but our majority'll be larger this time. And chances are excellent Republican turnout will drop. Even if only a couple of percentages, that's also huge.

If you want to worry about something, you're welcome to share mine. That even if we sweep in 2018 and 2020 this won't be over. As long perhaps 16,000 people in our new ultrawealthy classes can buy whole legislative majorities without even missing the money, democracy is in serious trouble.



Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
62. ASAP. CU is a SCOTUS decision, of course, and
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 09:51 AM
Feb 2018

experts seem to believe unlikely to be reversed in the foreseeable future, even with its horrible effects.

I've read that most of the current efforts at campaign finance are being focused on the state and local levels, changing state constitutions, trying to institute public financing of elections, requiring donor disclosure, etc. We're in the pre- catching fire stage on this, of course.

Often the big donors fail to control election results, though, and hopefully more people may be be understanding that there really is a class war being waged against them through Republicans in government and, as Warren Buffett pointed out, they're losing.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,349 posts)
12. bedazzled
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:32 PM
Feb 2018

I think some of the MSM were still waiting for a pivot right up until Mueller's pile of indictments shocked them awake.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
34. The prayer wheel!
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 02:28 AM
Feb 2018

Did you bring it back, or has it always been there? Or , you been gone? Lots and lots are not around, sadly. DU has gone from spot number 1or 2 on google to PAGE five or six

I used to have that wheel for awhile....you gave me the idea

Serenity now!

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
65. Hi Gabi! The Prayer Wheel has always been there.
Fri Feb 23, 2018, 12:03 AM
Feb 2018

Yes, there aren't many of us old-timers left on DU. I first registered in late summer of 2001 - which was the year DU came into being. I can only think of maybe two or three DUers still around from that time. Quite a few of them have died over the years - it's painful to think about how many have passed. And so many others who just faded away over the years, or were booted off DU for petty (to my mind) transgressions.

What especially saddens me are the old friends I lost during the 2016 presidential campaign. Oh well.

I feel like something of a dinosaur now, with almost 17 years of memory of this place. I grew old hanging out on DU. I was just 51 when DU started, I'm 68 now - it kind of freaks me out!

And over all these years I've logged in nearly every single day. I stopped posting regularly several years ago, but I've never stopped coming here to read. I can't imagine daily life without my DU fix.

Even though I post very rarely (although I've been posting a bit more lately), the Prayer Wheel has never been gone.

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
64. Do you remember the "Get Your War On" comics from during the bush* maladministration?
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 11:37 PM
Feb 2018

That's where it came from:

bdamomma

(63,875 posts)
21. We've been saying it.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:56 PM
Feb 2018

but our freaking Congress is saying shit, just covering up this POS fake pResident.

Pobeka

(4,999 posts)
31. I'll accept anyone, anytime who comes back to reality.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:24 AM
Feb 2018

We desperately need them all -- every single voice demanding change, every single vote.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
4. What to do about Fox News?
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:53 PM
Feb 2018

I don't understand how they can ignore the evidence that so strongly compels the conclusion that the Russians meddled in our election and may even (we will probably never know) have decided it by convincing naive Americans with their propaganda that Trump would be a good president. And now, Fox News does everything they can to pretend that Trump and his crew are doing a decent job in government.

I strongly believe in the First Amendment right to free speech, but what to do?

ChazInAz

(2,569 posts)
9. There is an historical precedent.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:18 PM
Feb 2018

Whatever became of Tokyo Rose?
When this nightmare is over, we'll need to deal with Fox news the way we would with anyone propagating propaganda for an enemy of the country and supporting treason.

Wednesdays

(17,380 posts)
43. As for Tokyo Rose, she got off lightly, considering.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 11:52 AM
Feb 2018

She lived to the ripe old age of ninety, with full U.S. citizenship. She served only six years in jail.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Toguri_D%27Aquino

Lucky Luciano

(11,257 posts)
11. There should be a law that requires reasonable neutrality in order...
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:32 PM
Feb 2018

...to be considered news. They can have their free speech, but shouldn’t be able to call it news.

GeoWilliam750

(2,522 posts)
22. Indeed
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:00 AM
Feb 2018

Why is Fox News in lock step with the Russians?

Is there any reason why Wendi Deng (Rupert Murdoch's ex wife), who introduced Jared and Ivanka vacations with and is very close to some of the oligarchs, and who is rumored to be sleeping with Putin (hard to actually believe). Ivanka was one of the trustees managing the money for Wendi's two daughters.

JHB

(37,161 posts)
38. Sharp as a beach ball, that Friedman.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 04:56 AM
Feb 2018

And just because he isn't a shouty drunk does not make him "sober".

scarletwoman

(31,893 posts)
18. Also - google "The Mustache of Understanding"
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:47 PM
Feb 2018

Especially in regard to the "Get Your War On" cartoons.

 

FreeStateDemocrat

(2,654 posts)
52. Who does he mean when says "WE should go over there...," did he take part in combat operations???
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:59 PM
Feb 2018

Another millionaire chickenshit hawk and blather who married money and does not have a clue about the problems of real working class people. He's a fucking elitist who has been anointed as an expert by the M$M, what the fuck is a code red, the Urban Dictionary for one definition:

TOP DEFINITION
Code Red
A rule, code, convention or practice that is unwritten so it is plausibly deniable by those who order, use and/or enforce it. It is unwritten because it is illegal, unethical, amoral, unconstitutional, and/or violates social conventions, sworn oaths, the Rule of Law, Natural Law and/or the democratic Process

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Code%20Red

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,501 posts)
24. Holy shit! As someone who mocked him, along with his Mighty Mustache of
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:33 AM
Feb 2018

Justice, endlessly. I'd never heard of FUs. How could I have missed that?

erlewyne

(1,115 posts)
17. What is the Republican party doing.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:45 PM
Feb 2018

That is a question Friedman implied.

Q. Well, what does the G.O.P. ever do?

A. Collect donations from their constituents.

Russians are red and so is the G.O.P.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
28. Just heard him on LOD
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 01:16 AM
Feb 2018

Can’t stand the master of the obvious, but what he said really nailed it WRT what a REAL leader would do

If only Obama would axe for some airtime and say what Friedman said T should say, he’d be a real hero, and, perhaps, make up for his failure to bite the bullet and speak up when it would’ve been very difficult, if not impossible, to do on 16

But that’s what real heroes do

Gotta give TF the credit for casting this crisis in starker relief than any other major pundit has

Hoping others will follow suit

Follows the children!

moondust

(19,993 posts)
54. I'd rather
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 02:19 PM
Feb 2018

hear any such "code red" from someone who has a history of consistently good judgment and thus more credibility.

Cha

(297,314 posts)
40. Yeah, Thomas Freidman.. but he still got
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 05:49 AM
Feb 2018

a lot of people talking about the reality of this.. if the M$M isn't getting through to them.

Mahalo spanone

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
42. Better Late Than Never
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 10:40 AM
Feb 2018

Whatever inane stances are in his past this is code red, all hands on deck.

This idiot chief executive beyond being a jerk has survived actions, lies, etc that in normal times would have had serious serious consequences.

We have entered Bizarro World let’s hope we can move past this and survive.

The Polack MSgt

(13,190 posts)
45. About 3 Friedman Units too late
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:30 PM
Feb 2018

But a huge fraction of his peers in the babbling horde still don't get it...

So, yay?

PatrickforO

(14,577 posts)
59. I like the posts on this thread.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 08:53 PM
Feb 2018

This resist movement has been as effective as it can be under the circumstances, and now we have high school kids from all over the country rising up and saying 'no more!'

We've flipped a number of seats in state legislatures, many of them in heavily red districts.

It has been interesting to watch public opinion changing about some of these issues we've been talking about for years:
- health care
- Social Security expansion (as opposed to a series of un-COLAs)
- Reasonable gun controls
- Affordable college tuition

There is hope. Yes, big money is lined up against us, but as someone else said, for every one of them, there are 14,000 or more of us.

And we have awakened.

Took a bunch, but we have awakened.

My wife and I will proudly join the march in March. Well...she will. If my legs are up to it, I will too.

Because you know what? OUR CHILDREN'S AND GRANDCHILDREN'S BLOOD WILL NOT BE THE PRICE OF 'FREEDOM!'

It won't. Not anymore.

nocalflea

(1,387 posts)
60. Trump's presdency was meant to divide and conquer us.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 11:12 PM
Feb 2018

Instead it created the COP. The Country Over Party party aka Never- Trumpers that's finding common ground with dems and independents.

Not only are the COP voting dem, they're happily offering advice on how to defeat the going, going, gone GOP.

Orsino

(37,428 posts)
63. Friedman should be telling us to wait six months and see...
Thu Feb 22, 2018, 10:16 AM
Feb 2018

...like he did with the wars that killed, maimed, bereaved and displaced millions.

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