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Seth Abramson: NBC reported Trump told friends he'd be in trouble if Manafort 'flipped' (Original Post) triron Feb 2018 OP
Who is surprised by this? Gothmog Feb 2018 #1
I'm only surprised that Trump recognizes it. Bleacher Creature Feb 2018 #3
It's because Manafort would have nowhere to run from Putin poli3 Feb 2018 #9
Maybe that's why Trump ran. Bleacher Creature Feb 2018 #13
It's probably why he eats McDonalds, for fear of consuming a Russian Polonium-210 Cocktail. TheBlackAdder Feb 2018 #22
Secret Service protection is now for only 10 years after leaving office. rsdsharp Feb 2018 #37
Thanks. I didn't realize that changed. Bleacher Creature Feb 2018 #38
Oops! Collusion and Conspiracy malaise Feb 2018 #2
That's the big question bearsfootball516 Feb 2018 #4
That might be a question of life or death for Manafort poli3 Feb 2018 #10
I asked earlier today why Manafort hasn't flipped yet bearsfootball516 Feb 2018 #12
Can't the moron pardon him? BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #15
Yes, but leftynyc Feb 2018 #36
Four score, and Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #28
FLIP! FLIP! FLIP! world wide wally Feb 2018 #5
How much of that is Der Twitler and his usual flippant talk? Roland99 Feb 2018 #6
Impeached is fun, but Lulu KC Feb 2018 #7
Easy to believe... Wounded Bear Feb 2018 #8
Manafort must be the one drumpf offically ordered to be the go between between drumpf and the Takket Feb 2018 #11
So glad he's aware that he's fucked and that he's not going to get away with it NightWatcher Feb 2018 #14
The dude colluded with a foreign power to deprive me of the president I voted for. Volaris Feb 2018 #16
Not only voted for but gave hundreds of dollars to campaign. triron Feb 2018 #24
This message was self-deleted by its author RestoreAmerica2020 Feb 2018 #25
Goes to show that conservatives will do anything and I mean anything, to hold onto power ffr Feb 2018 #17
yes, fascists will even kill to stay in power elmac Feb 2018 #19
+10000000 bronxiteforever Feb 2018 #21
Manafort is TwistOneUp Feb 2018 #18
I haven't read anything to indicate that Manafort has flipped. But it's not over. Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #20
He is looking at multiple life terms in total..... getagrip_already Feb 2018 #23
Can Trump pardon him ? CentralMass Feb 2018 #26
There's doubt about that, ie pardoning someone to save yourself from OnDoutside Feb 2018 #30
If Trumpy pardons Manafort, then Manafort can no longer plead the Fifth, Eyeball_Kid Feb 2018 #31
Thank you . CentralMass Feb 2018 #33
Great points, though I'm happy for this to drag into next year and a Dem Congress hopefully. OnDoutside Feb 2018 #34
I think he should be afraid of Putin, if he's not already...after I saw Maddow's show Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #35
trump sure has lot people around him who tell tales Cha Feb 2018 #27
Cmon...absurd: Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #29
HALLELUJAH & PRAISE THE LORD. Impeach Trump's butt now !! trueblue2007 Feb 2018 #32

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
3. I'm only surprised that Trump recognizes it.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 08:35 PM
Feb 2018

Manafort has long been the key (Mike Pence please, anyone!), but Trump is so delusional and such a pathological liar that I wouldn't have been surprised if he's convinced himself that he doesn't have to worry about Mueller's investigation.

poli3

(174 posts)
9. It's because Manafort would have nowhere to run from Putin
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 08:55 PM
Feb 2018

His body would end up floating in the potomac.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
13. Maybe that's why Trump ran.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 09:36 PM
Feb 2018

Secret service protection for life is a good gig if you're wound up too tightly with the Russian crowd.

rsdsharp

(9,186 posts)
37. Secret Service protection is now for only 10 years after leaving office.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:17 PM
Feb 2018

Clinton was the last President to have lifetime protection.

Bleacher Creature

(11,257 posts)
38. Thanks. I didn't realize that changed.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 12:23 PM
Feb 2018

Knowing that, the crap the Republicans pulled in trying to demonize Obama for their base makes me even more livid.

malaise

(269,054 posts)
2. Oops! Collusion and Conspiracy
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 08:28 PM
Feb 2018

Manafort will have a hard time evading prison.

Lock them all up!






offto the greatest page.

poli3

(174 posts)
10. That might be a question of life or death for Manafort
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 08:57 PM
Feb 2018

Mueller wouldn't apply the death penalty, Putin would.

bearsfootball516

(6,377 posts)
12. I asked earlier today why Manafort hasn't flipped yet
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 09:00 PM
Feb 2018

The general consensus is that he'd rather spend the rest of his life in jail than be murdered by Putin.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
36. Yes, but
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 08:46 AM
Feb 2018

then Manafort would still be forced to testify (if he didn't flee to moscow). He'd still have a russian target on his back.

Roland99

(53,342 posts)
6. How much of that is Der Twitler and his usual flippant talk?
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 08:43 PM
Feb 2018

He loves being important and seen as important and wanting loyalty and protection.

Wounded Bear

(58,668 posts)
8. Easy to believe...
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 08:52 PM
Feb 2018

Manafort had more close ties with the pro-Putin Ukrainians. He spent some time over there, took their money, etc.

He's a pretty obvious choice as the strongest link to Putin.

Takket

(21,577 posts)
11. Manafort must be the one drumpf offically ordered to be the go between between drumpf and the
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 08:59 PM
Feb 2018

Kremlin. The infamous proof of collusion that we all know exists, we just don't know who was the linchpin for the drumpf crime syndication.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
14. So glad he's aware that he's fucked and that he's not going to get away with it
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 09:40 PM
Feb 2018

He needs to resign now and throw himself on the mercy of a Nation.

Response to NightWatcher (Reply #14)

ffr

(22,670 posts)
17. Goes to show that conservatives will do anything and I mean anything, to hold onto power
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:46 PM
Feb 2018

This revelation alone should spark congressional hearings.

What we have here is a complete lack of constitutional government. Conservatives are the dam that is holding back countless charges of corruption and scandals, the likes of which we can only imagine.

TwistOneUp

(1,020 posts)
18. Manafort is
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:49 PM
Feb 2018

Manafort is the bag man. He knows where the bodies are buried.

Threaten him with a BIG boyfriend in a small cage for ten years, and Cheetolini is toast.

And I like toast, preferably with butter and jam. 8^)

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
20. I haven't read anything to indicate that Manafort has flipped. But it's not over.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 10:59 PM
Feb 2018

Maybe if he ends up facing years in prison (a very real chance of that), he might flip. Changing in the expensive hand made silk suits for orange jumpsuits, losing freedom to shower when you want and eat what you want and be driven around in expensive cars and flaunt your connections.. losing the freedom to go to your different houses to lounge around and make phone calls to important people 'cause you're a big man...maybe then he'll flip, for the chance to be able to do that again. Or maybe he'll off himself, like mobsters do.

getagrip_already

(14,764 posts)
23. He is looking at multiple life terms in total.....
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 11:19 PM
Feb 2018

Someone was saying that just the charges he already has could add up to a 100 years.

If he hasn't flipped yet, he isn't likely to.

Of course, he may have, and it is being kept quiet to not tip trump off.

But my bet is he is more afraid of putin than he is of muehler.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
30. There's doubt about that, ie pardoning someone to save yourself from
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 02:32 AM
Feb 2018

a criminal indictment. There's also the possibility of a state conviction in New York, which Trump can't pardon.

Eyeball_Kid

(7,432 posts)
31. If Trumpy pardons Manafort, then Manafort can no longer plead the Fifth,
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 03:08 AM
Feb 2018

and he MUST testify. If he doesn't, he goes to jail for contempt, and will stay in jail until he testifies.

If Manafort and Trumpy are indicted as two or more of a conspiracy, Trumpy can't pardon (co-defendant) Manafort because he can't pardon himself.

If Manafort is pardoned under other circumstances, you're right that state crimes are not amenable to pardon.

I'm ready to see the end game. This has dragged on long enough.

OnDoutside

(19,962 posts)
34. Great points, though I'm happy for this to drag into next year and a Dem Congress hopefully.
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 04:35 AM
Feb 2018

Every month is an extra nail in the GOP coffin.

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
35. I think he should be afraid of Putin, if he's not already...after I saw Maddow's show
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 07:57 AM
Feb 2018

She showed what happened to the Putin Puppet Ukrainian candidate's opposition candidate. In a few short weeks he went from being a handsome man to unrecognizable, his face all pockmarked and swollen. He had been poisoned.

Then the Putin Puppet's candidate had another opposition candidate. She was thrown in prison.

Manafort, Maddow said, was working for that Putin Puppet candidate. I think it's no accident that the chant for Hillary was "Lock Her Up." Trump has ordered a continuing investigation of her. Straight out of Putin's handbook.

Maybe that's why Trump is afraid he'll be poisoned.

Cha

(297,311 posts)
27. trump sure has lot people around him who tell tales
Wed Feb 21, 2018, 02:09 AM
Feb 2018

outta school..

I bet this particular one infuriates him more than the average.

Thanks for Seth, triron

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