The lawyer who lied to the FBI...his crimes must be REALLY bad...

[Honeycombe8]

Can you imagine just what this lawyer Van der Zwaan did, that he then went and deleted emails, encrypted documents, tried to hide other electronic evidence? He had to know the FBI can catch this sort of stuff....easy as chewing gum for them. So that must mean that his crimes were bad enough to be worth getting caught obstructing justice, adding to his crimes.

Saw on the news that he was caught pretty quickly, too. Just 3 months after the guy tried to remove the evidence, he was indicted.

One interesting footnote, though: HE HAD RECORDED ONE OR MORE CONVERSATIONS! Now THAT'S interesting. I wonder who and what he recorded. And why.

You can't make this stuff up. It gets weirder and weirder.

UPDATE: just read that Van der Zwaan was indicted re communications w/Gates....including Gates' and Manafort's efforts re foreign lobbying...AND Van der Zwaan's wife, Eva Kahn, is the daughter of Russian billionaire German Khan. HIS WIFE IS THE DAUGHTER OF A RUSSIAN OLIGARCH.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/20/politics/robert-mueller-rick-gates/index.html

[pnwmom]

1. And think of what he might know, with a father in law who founded Alfa bank. n/t

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[Honeycombe8]

12. I'll have to read up on Alfa Bank. nt

[pnwmom]

15. The first FISA warrant was on communications between Alfa bank and the Trump tower. n/

[Honeycombe8]

17. Well, damn. I clearly haven't kept up with all the information. Thanks. nt

[pnwmom]

22. Here's something to get you started.

http://www.businessinsider.com/fbi-alfa-bank-trump-organization-servers-2017-3

[Sanity Claws]

2. He was in London

I wonder whether that made him feel safe from FBI.

[Honeycombe8]

4. That's the thing about electronics....and how the Russians could hack as much as they did.

You can do it across the ocean.

[dhol82]

3. Wow!

[Honeycombe8]

13. You said a mouthful! nt

[Calista241]

5. Mueller wants Manafort in jail, and this lawyer helped him in an illegal business scheme back 2012.

[Honeycombe8]

8. Get this: Van der Zwaan's wife is the DAUGHTER of a Russian oligarch.

His wife, Eva Kahn, the daughter of Russian billionaire German Khan, is due in August.

Van der Zwaan was indicted re communications w/Gates...., including Gates and Manafort and their foreign lobbying efforts.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

6. Not necessarily.

More likely he's a guy who knows stuff, and Mueller is squeezing him.

[Honeycombe8]

14. Hmmm. Guess we'll find out. I'm sure Mueller is squeezing everyone. nt

[Takket]

7. manafort had his chance

everyone else is coming to the realization that mueller has them dead to rights, and that sleaze bag in the white house is NOT worth going to prison for. Manafort, for reasons beyond my ability to comprehend, actually thinks he can fight this and it is worth taking on mueller to defend drumpf LOL Fine. Mueller doesn't need him, let him spend the rest of his life in prison if he doesn't want to play nice.

[marylandblue]

9. Manafort is probably reconsidering right now

Since two of his accomplices flipped in the last week.

[Honeycombe8]

16. "Dead to rights."

I've never heard that expression. Good expression. Maybe Mueller is still thinking he's such a big man that nothing will happen. After all, men like him are pretty arrogant. He's been laundering money and doing who knows what else for years, with no accountability.

I hope he gets it stuck to him, like Bernie Madoff. But so many of these types seem to get slaps on the wrist.

[Wellstone ruled]

10. Watch for another Trumper to bit the dust.

Rudy Giuliani is tied to ALFA Bank and this same Lawyer.

[Honeycombe8]

11. Really? Interesting. The lawyer has Russian ties. The Russians are everywhere! nt

[oasis]

18. Mueller's putting the squeeze on the guy. According to Rachel Maddow's

reporting, he faces a max of 5 years. More than likely would be 6 months or less, but wife is pregnant and he wants to return home for the birth.

[Honeycombe8]

19. Yes, I saw that. Now she's comparing what happened in Ukraine to what's happening here.

Scary stuff.

[oasis]

20. Ain't scary as long as Special Council is laying the hammer down.

FBI is casting a wide net for all these cockroaches. I expect there will be a significant amount of evidence produced from all the singing done by those charged.

Btw, I've been having trouble remaining logged in DU for the last 3 hours. Don't know the reason but I ve seen no posts by other members having problems. My post that you responded to was my first since having the difficulty. Hopefully it 's cleared up.

[Honeycombe8]

21. You know...my login kept being lost....

During the last couple of days, I'd go into the site, and my login had logged out. I had to log in again. I had the "remember my login" box checked. But then it stopped doing that.

As for the Ukraine story, it seems to me that the Trump team really did plan on trying to imprison Clinton, like the Russian puppet in Ukraine did to the woman who ran against him. Even after he "won," Trump talked about "lock her up."

And the poisoning of that opponent. Horrific. There is no doubt that Putin did that. That could happen here. Looks like the Russians are involved in our government to an extent that is unbelievable. The Russians are everywhere! Connected with everyone on the right, and some on the left. WTH????

[oasis]

23. There is a surprising number of newly minted traitors.

But, believe me, they don't hardly have enough numbers or influence to turn our nation into an authoritarian state.