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stopbush

(24,396 posts)
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:14 PM Feb 2018

I believe that Mueller has known the sordid details of tRumps collusion for months

tRumpCo is nothing if not incompetent, so it’s not exactly a leap to believe Mueller had 95% of the crimes figured out within the first two months. My guess is he’s slow-walking the indictments and processes to build air-tight cases, while giving the public the illusion of a slow-and-steady investigation, rather than a rush to judgement.

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Quixote1818

(28,979 posts)
2. Comparatively this investigation is going extremely fast.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:17 PM
Feb 2018

Most likely because there is a lot to work with compared to actual witch hunts like Hillary's emails, Benghazi etc.

unblock

(52,332 posts)
5. yeah, and remind me how many indictments came out of the numerous benghazi and email investigations?
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:22 PM
Feb 2018

NewJeffCT

(56,829 posts)
8. just think, though
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:40 PM
Feb 2018

of all the Republican fundraisers that were based on benghazi and/or her emails.

unblock

(52,332 posts)
3. you might be exaggerating just a smidge, but yeh, these are not clever people who cover their tracks
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:19 PM
Feb 2018

i think mueller is slowed down by the sheer volume of crimes and the mountain of evidence.

but i agree, i don't think very fancy digging is going on, with the possible exception of some of the financial records.
even there, though, i suspect they're pretty sloppy. the way he routinely uses non-profits for personal use shows a complete lack of discipline, but i expect his lawyers to be more careful.

or at least, as careful as donnie will let them....

alterfurz

(2,475 posts)
14. as Deep Throat phrased it during Watergate...
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 05:52 PM
Feb 2018

"The truth is these are not very bright guys and things got out of hand."

CincyDem

(6,390 posts)
4. What he knows and what he can prove are usually different.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:21 PM
Feb 2018


Probably took a couple weeks to frame the case and now we're in the pick and shovel work of making the case. I hate the time it's taking but this is where that old phrase comes into play - if you're going to try to kill the king...make sure you really kill the king. (or something like that).
 

Horizens

(637 posts)
13. kKnowledge/Proof
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 04:00 PM
Feb 2018

It's apparent that every i will be dotted and every t crossed in any indictments brought by Mueller. His case(s) will be ironclad and irrefutable.

R B Garr

(16,991 posts)
6. Agreed! He is setting the table.
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:27 PM
Feb 2018

This is a strategic roll-out. I would bet he knows it all, probably Comey knows, too. They probably have mountains of evidence.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
7. After having read Fire & Fury last week, I walked away with the impression
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:37 PM
Feb 2018

After having read Fire & Fury last week, I walked away with the impression that the one thing the Trump family is truly afraid of (not merely concerned, but afraid) is a thorough examination and investigation of their financials.

They (the Trump family, the senior staff, etc.) seemed complacent to the point of ignorance in regards to state secrets, collusion, etc. But when financials came up in conversation, Trump, Bannon (when he was "in&quot , Ivanka and Jared were creating a war-room to combat anyone or any entity from opening up their bank records to the extent that is now happening (or so I presume).

pnwmom

(108,997 posts)
9. I doubt it. The crimes go back for years, and extend all over the world. It will take years
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:48 PM
Feb 2018

to untangle this, and Mueller will still probably never reach the end. But he just has to find enough to get Trump, and those in his administration and in Congress that helped him.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
12. I worked for an attorney who did administrative law
Tue Feb 20, 2018, 03:57 PM
Feb 2018

He'd conduct hearings on various matters, usually for the Board of Nursing. One case involved an allegation that one of the nurses in this assisted-care facility was sampling from the prescription drug locker. The facility managers set up a sting, and showed that the drug locker had been pilfered and the nurse in question had a key to the locker. Upon questioning, however, the judge brought out that there were at least two other people in the facility that day who also had a key, and there were a couple of other keys in circulation, though their holders were not at the facility on the day in question.

Conclusion: It's one thing to know it in your heart, it's another thing to prove it in a court of law. Mueller's experienced enough to know the difference very, very well. He has one and only one bite at this apple, and he's not likely to flub it.

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