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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsBernie, 2013: "If we passed the strongest gun legislation tomorrow, I don't think it will
have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen."
Probably the worst bill Bernie voted for was after the Sandy Hook disaster, when he voted for a bill that protected gun manufacturers and even sellers from liability lawsuits (that manufacturers of other dangerous products are subject to.) Does he regret that vote in light of all the deaths since then?
Young voters in 2016 were apparently willing to overlook Bernie's gun record (which he said were based on states rights views). Would they be willing to overlook this again?
MARCH 2013
https://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/bernie-one-note-in-second-term-sanders-stays-relentlessly-on-message/Content?oid=2243075
That could be because Sanders who first won election to the U.S. House when the National Rifle Association targeted his Republican opponent has largely opposed federal firearm laws, calling gun control an issue for states to decide. His position seemed to shift in January, when he intimated in a written statement that hed support federal bans on assault weapons and high-capacity clips proposed by Obama.
But in last weeks interview, he seemed to back away again from such measures, saying, If you passed the strongest gun control legislation tomorrow, I dont think it will have a profound effect on the tragedies we have seen.
Asked whether hed vote for an assault-weapons ban if it reached the Senate floor, he said, Well see. Well see what other things it is part of.
SNIP
Asked why he was on the fence about the assault-weapons ban, which he backed in 1994, Sanders interrupted midsentence, saying, This is not one of my major issues. Its an issue out there. Ive told you how I feel about it.
MAY 2015
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/05/bernie_sanders_on_guns_vermont_independent_voted_against_gun_control_for.html
None of these views are particularly shocking for a Vermont representative: Sanders deep-blue state has both high gun ownership and incredibly lax gun laws, and its perfectly logical for the senator to support his constituents firearms enthusiasm. And a close friend of Sanders once said that the senator thinks theres an elitism in the anti-gun movement.
But Sanders vote for a different kind of pro-gun bill is more puzzlingand profoundly disturbing. In 2005, a Republican-dominated Congress passed the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA). This law doesnt protect gun owners; it protects gun manufacturers, distributors, dealers, and importers. The PLCAA was the No. 1 legislative priority of the National Rifle Association for years, because it shields gun makers and dealers from most liability when their firearms are used criminally. It is one of the most noxious pieces of pro-gun legislation ever passed. And Bernie Sanders voted for it. (Sanders campaign has not replied to a request for comment.)
Because the PLCAA deals with tort lawnot a topic of great interest for most Americansit didnt stir much outrage when first passed. But the acts primary purpose is as simple as it is cold-blooded. Every state imposes liability on manufacturers who are negligent in their production and sale of products. If I crash my Prius because its accelerator malfunctions, I can sue Toyota for negligently manufacturing a faulty pedal. If my child dismembers himself with a blender at Sears, I can sue Sears for negligently leaving that blender within a childs reach. If I get stabbed by a teenager with a switchblade, I might be able to sue the pawn shop owner who illegally sold a knife to a minor.
Before the PLCAA, most states imposed some form of tort liability on gun makers and sellers. If a gun manufacturer made an assault rifle that could slaughter dozens of people in a few seconds, for instance, one of its victims might sue the company for negligently making a gun that could foreseeably be used for mass murder. If a gun seller sold a gun to a customer without performing any kind of background checkand then the buyer opened fire on the subwayhis victims might sue that seller for negligently providing a gun to a mentally unstable person. The standards in each state differed, but the bottom line remained the same: Victims of gun violence and their families could recover financially from the people and companies who negligently enabled gun violence.
R B Garr
(16,954 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)Especially here on DU. It was met with indifference by his supporters. Sandy Hook was old news. Bernie was the future. Many of them knew about his stance on guns and didn't consider it a deal breaker, because Hillary Wall Street, or Hillary War Hawk, or Hillary Vagina.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He now has larger political aspirations and is working his way into the party of the left.
What do they call a Senator who spends more time at events outside of his state than in it? A Presidential candidate.
pnwmom
(108,980 posts)kcr
(15,317 posts)Given his attacks on Dems for that very thing. He's managed to convince a lot of people that he's an alternative to the status quo necessary for sweeping change when he's nothing of the sort.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)And suffering from "economic anxiety". They don't care about his taxes. Think he is the only one to not take PAC money. They talk about him in religious terms. Etc. It's not dumb. He knows his base.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)I'm not seeing evidence of that where one would normally see it.
https://www.opensecrets.org/orgs/recips.php?id=D000000082&cycle=2016&state=&party=&chamber=&sort=N&page=3
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Cha
(297,323 posts)Thanks for this, pnwmom.
samir.g
(835 posts)mcar
(42,334 posts)Thanks for this, pnwmom. It is important that we hold all our politicians accountable.
aikoaiko
(34,172 posts)Am I reading this sentence correctly that you think PLCAA came after Sandy Hook?
"Probably the worst bill Bernie voted for was after the Sandy Hook disaster, when he voted for a bill that protected gun manufacturers and even sellers from liability lawsuits (that manufacturers of other dangerous products are subject to.) Does he regret that vote in light of all the deaths since then?"