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NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:34 PM Feb 2018

Politico Top Story: Conservative calls grow for Trump to pardon anyone and everyone Mueller targets

MoveOn needs to plan mass protests for this as well:

'I think he should be pardoning anybody who’s been indicted and make it clear that anybody else who gets indicted would be pardoned immediately,”

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/19/trump-russia-pardons-mueller-flynn-417094

Speechless!

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Politico Top Story: Conservative calls grow for Trump to pardon anyone and everyone Mueller targets (Original Post) NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 OP
There are no shortcuts to justice. Pardoning them is an explicit admission that they are guilty. Siwsan Feb 2018 #1
No it's not NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 #2
He can tell them what he likes. That doesn't alter reality. Siwsan Feb 2018 #8
The right won't see it that way they'll see it as finally that scam is over Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #4
Then it is up to those of us who live a reality based life to shout the truth Siwsan Feb 2018 #9
Just like we're doing now huh? Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #11
I can only speak for myself and hope others will push the truth Siwsan Feb 2018 #12
+1,000 malaise Feb 2018 #18
What exactly does the right's inaccurate perception have to do with justice? LanternWaste Feb 2018 #17
Once again POLITICO lives up to it's moniker: "Tiger Beat on the Potomac"... Raster Feb 2018 #3
Do you think the reporting is untrue? hedda_foil Feb 2018 #16
At times, I do think POLITICO favors Republicans... Raster Feb 2018 #20
Thank you for clarifying. I'm in near complete agreement with you. hedda_foil Feb 2018 #23
Is it more fun to live up to a consistent irrelevance or alleged monikers? LanternWaste Feb 2018 #19
good question Raster Feb 2018 #21
That's where this was always headed as soon as it gets to Trump he'll just start pardoning everybody Fullduplexxx Feb 2018 #5
We need to make an issue of that for November. Blue_true Feb 2018 #6
Agreeing to a pardon is accepting guilt, is it not? Ilsa Feb 2018 #7
Exactly! n/t Greybnk48 Feb 2018 #22
They aren't being targeted. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #10
Sometimes, I feel like a Debby Downer NewsCenter28 Feb 2018 #13
If worse comes to worse there is always the NY state AG. Whatever charges he might bring re Vinca Feb 2018 #14
You and I are in a different place. NCTraveler Feb 2018 #15

Siwsan

(26,272 posts)
1. There are no shortcuts to justice. Pardoning them is an explicit admission that they are guilty.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:43 PM
Feb 2018

If they weren't, it would be better for them to let the system play out.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
2. No it's not
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:46 PM
Feb 2018

He will just tell the base, who will eagerly lap it up, that Mueller is a big ole mean deep state bully and he is just standing up for America and apple pie!

Siwsan

(26,272 posts)
9. Then it is up to those of us who live a reality based life to shout the truth
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:07 PM
Feb 2018

Shout it loud, and continuously.

Siwsan

(26,272 posts)
12. I can only speak for myself and hope others will push the truth
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:12 PM
Feb 2018

Hopefully more will speak up than will shrug their shoulders and stay silent.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
17. What exactly does the right's inaccurate perception have to do with justice?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:48 PM
Feb 2018

What exactly does the right's inaccurate perception have to do with justice and the justice system, "huh"?

Raster

(20,998 posts)
3. Once again POLITICO lives up to it's moniker: "Tiger Beat on the Potomac"...
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 03:48 PM
Feb 2018

...Thank you, Charles Pierce!

hedda_foil

(16,375 posts)
16. Do you think the reporting is untrue?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:45 PM
Feb 2018

Or maybe that it favors Republicans?

Or are you just dismissing the report as nonsense?

Raster

(20,998 posts)
20. At times, I do think POLITICO favors Republicans...
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:55 PM
Feb 2018

...I also believe that, like it's "namesake," POLITICO prefers to seeks to elevate the trivial and accentuate the hyperbolic in order to sell add space.

As for this issue, I think the "reporting" is probably good... no small leap to imagine that friends and supporters of the Orange Anus* would urge him to use any trick up his sleeve to alleviate the prosecutorial damage.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
19. Is it more fun to live up to a consistent irrelevance or alleged monikers?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:50 PM
Feb 2018

Is it more fun to live up to a consistent irrelevance or alleged monikers?

Thank you!

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
6. We need to make an issue of that for November.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:03 PM
Feb 2018

If they think that people can committ treason and not be held to account, then we have no country.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
7. Agreeing to a pardon is accepting guilt, is it not?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:03 PM
Feb 2018

Wouldn't the accused prefer their day in court before agreeing to accept guilt and a pardon?

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
10. They aren't being targeted.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:08 PM
Feb 2018

An investigation is turning over rocks and some of them seem to be under those rocks.

NewsCenter28

(1,835 posts)
13. Sometimes, I feel like a Debby Downer
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:34 PM
Feb 2018

It's just every time, like Friday, that I finally feel some hope about Trump, something like this story pops up and makes me feel hopeless. My thought process is like this: Trump will just pardon everyone, including himself; the media will be outraged for a day until he gives a speech that makes them like him again (same situation as Charlottesville followed by Harvey, say); the base will love him standing up to Mueller; Dems and Independents stay energized to vote in November but Putin just flips their votes over to the Trump/Ryan Cabal anyway and voter suppression is also in full force.

If I knew for a fact that November would be a free and fair election, I wouldn't be so disturbed by the pardons and would tell Trump to bring it on really, as it would be his downfall.

I am close to someone who feels that Trump's downfall can only be accomplished through the legal system; that the political system is too compromised. I hope they are wrong, especially in light of today's Politico story.

Vinca

(50,279 posts)
14. If worse comes to worse there is always the NY state AG. Whatever charges he might bring re
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:36 PM
Feb 2018

money laundering, etc., cannot be pardoned by the POTUS. I doubt Schneiderman would sit idly by if Trump started pardoning everyone charged by Mueller.

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