Anyone bringing up Chicago's high gun violence rate show them this

[Quixote1818]

Snip:

For instance, an NPR fact check of the White House talking point noted that Chicago is close to the borders of two states — Wisconsin and Indiana — that have weak gun laws. A 2014 report from the city of Chicago noted that 60 percent of guns used to commit crimes in Chicago from 2009 to 2013 originated outside of Illinois, and Indiana and Wisconsin were two of the biggest sources of recovered guns.5 And Illinois is not alone.



https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/gun-laws-stop-at-state-lines-but-guns-dont/

[hack89]

1. Time to beef up the ATF. nt

[mopinko]

2. and the shops that pander to the straw purchasers are an open secret.

that is against FEDERAL law, yet they remain open for business.
things that make you go hmmm.

[friendly_iconoclast]

3. Irrelevent; Massachusetts is similarly situated (to NH and VT), but has a low gun crime rate

I've pointed out elsewhere that New Hampshire's gun friendly laws are only an hour or so drive away
(depending on traffic), yet the large cities here have *far* lower rates of violent crime

[LanternWaste]

4. Data which does not validate your own narrative is not "irrelevant."

Data which does not validate your own narrative is not "irrelevant."

[friendly_iconoclast]

8. Please inform us, if you would: What do *you* believe causes the disparity in violent crime rates?

Why do strong gun laws seem to work in Massachusetts, where all large urban areas are a day trip at most from
states that have even laxer gun laws than Indiana?

[Quixote1818]

5. East Chicago, Indiana is basically part of Chicago.

We are not talking about an hour drive but a 20 minute drive or subway ride and the stats absolutely show the bulk of Chicago guns came from Indiana. Illinois in general also has very low gun violence as you can see here: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/10/02/gun_control_by_state_tougher_laws_mean_fewer_deaths.html


Here is East Chicago on a map: https://www.google.com/maps/place/East+Chicago,+IN/@41.6543372,-87.7254662,10z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x8811db8bb42bbb5d:0x86476f5049bde4a8!8m2!3d41.6392024!4d-87.4547635

[friendly_iconoclast]

7. I don't dispute that: I ask why the same claimed cause doesn't seem to happen here

There are unfortunately plenty of low-income areas in Boston and New Hampshire is 45 minutes away
when traffic is light.

Why, then, the disparity? I can't imagine that my criminally-minded fellow Massholes are especially lazy
compared to their counterparts in Chicago...

[Quixote1818]

9. For one thing Chicago has a higher poverty rate and lower incomes in general

http://www.bestplaces.net/compare-cities/boston_ma/chicago_il/economy

[forthemiddle]

14. The criminals are not buying guns legally in Indiana!

So regardless of more lenient laws, they are still breaking those laws!

We just recently moved to Indiana from Wisconsin, and until we became legal residents, we could not buy a gun here.

We now can not go back to the gun dealer my husband has used for years in Wisconsin, because we are no longer residents.

The people committing crimes in Chicago are not doing it because they live so close to the border.

[Blue_true]

6. Mississippi has the highest rate of gun violence in the country.

It also has the most lax gun laws.

[nolabels]

10. Mississippi Schools Ranked Second-to-Last in National Rating

Mississippi Schools Ranked Second-to-Last in National Rating
By The Associated Press Friday, January 8, 2016 6 a.m. CST

JACKSON, Miss. (AP) — An evaluation of school performance finds that Mississippi's academic achievement gains have outstripped gains nationwide from 2003 to 2015, but gives the state's public schools a D overall, ranking them second-to-last.

#The evaluation by Education Week's Quality Counts report moved Mississippi up a notch from last year, when it ranked 51st among the states and Washington, D.C. This year, Nevada ranked at the bottom, a little below Mississippi. The state's overall grade remained the same, below the national average of a C.
http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2016/jan/08/mississippi-schools-ranked-second-last-national-ra/

See any correlation?

[Blue_true]

13. Isn't there an old joke that people in Alabama thank god for Mississippi?

Look like Nevada has some work to do.

[nolabels]

15. Going to open air concerts in Nevada doesn't sound like a good idea either

[Blue_true]

16. Actually, going to any large gathering today can be risky.

There was some event in part of my city on Saturday, wall to wall people. I feel ashamed to admit it, but when I saw all the people around, my first thought was there was no way that I would have been among them, I even got an insecure feeling passing near in my car - I think that I am sane - but I had such a moment of almost craven insecurity.

[Tatiana]

11. Anyone who has lived in Chicago knows the guns come from Indiana.

This is a fact... they are almost always traced there when used to commit a crime in the city. Wisconsin too, but they are more easily available in Indiana.

What's sickening is that Indiana (or its Chamber of C) has no shame. They openly advertise their shops in Illinois media. All they care about is their profit, not the murders being committed with these weapons.

[friendly_iconoclast]

12. It's the Feds that have to prosecute straw sales, so that ain't happening until 2021 at the earliest