So, if everyone pulls out their gun when shots are fired,

[MineralMan]

how do we know who the shooter actually is? Who do the police go after? Who do those armed people shoot at?

Somehow, I don't think this has been thought through very well...

[Wounded Bear]

1. Shoot them all, let God sort them out...

Yeah, but that seems to be the RW gun-hugger mindset.

[dalton99a]

31. +1

[oberliner]

2. The bad guys have the black hats

[rzemanfl]

5. No, red and they say MAGA. n/t

[oberliner]

6. True - good point

[rzemanfl]

3. Your scenario happened not too long ago in a WalMart.

Colorado, if I remember correctly.

[oberliner]

8. Shoppers pulled guns in response to Thornton Walmart shooting...

... but police say that slowed investigation

When a gunman opened fire inside a Walmart in Thornton Wednesday night, shoppers screamed and ran for cover — and others pulled out their own handguns.

But those who drew weapons during the shootings ultimately delayed the investigation as authorities pored over surveillance videotape trying to identify the assailant who killed three people, police said Thursday.

https://www.denverpost.com/2017/11/02/shoppers-pulled-weapons-walmart-shooting/

[pangaia]

4. Republicanism and thought do not belong in the same sentence.

[Heartstrings]

7. And where does "liability" come into play? nt

[Historic NY]

9. Its like the wild west all over again....

Fortunately Arnaud Amaury had a solution. Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus qui sunt eius

[MineralMan]

13. Well, I'll be over here, hiding under something while

God sorts them out.

[dmkinsey]

40. That's what I've thought for years

The NRA nuts are mainly super sad that they were born too late to live in the wild, wild west and now they just want to carry their guns all the time to make their shoot-out fantasies more real to themselves.
Of course the NRA as an organization exists to help the industry sell more and more guns.

[Wounded Bear]

41. They won't be happy until we're all living in Deadwood...

[Turbineguy]

10. They will not have died in vain.

They will have entertained us!

Do people know that spectators can get shot too?

Florida has an interesting law about that. If you are "acting in self defense" and you mow down a bunch of people who are not involved, the victims can't sue you?

[Thomas Hurt]

11. I have asked this question of the gunners myself online....they never have an answer...

if 6 good guys with guns...pull their weapons in a darken theater, or anywhere else for that matter, to shoot some "bad guy" how do they know that the other good guys are not in on it with the bad guy?

I think of this as black hat thinking. You almost always know who the bad guy is in the movie...doesn't it work that way in real life?

[MineralMan]

16. Well, maybe all the gun-carriers can wear MAGA hats,

so we'll know who the idiots are in advance. That way, we can avoid trouble.

[Aristus]

12. There you go again. Using logic. Honestly!

When has logic ever worked with the gun-fucks?

[MineralMan]

15. I'm sorry. I can't help myself.

That's how I was raised.

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

28. What were your parents thinking?

To raise you like that?

No wonder you're such a menace here on DU!

(The friendly wave is in lieu of an appropriate irony glyph.)

Although the above few posts could be the basis of a much more serious thread about logical thinking.

[Doodley]

14. Perfect for school bullies - bring your own weapons to school.

[LiberalArkie]

17. It doesn't make any difference they are all crazy for carrying the guns

Definitely too paranoid to be walking the streets

[awesomerwb1]

18. I always use that example when I talk to idiots

well,when I used to talk to idiots. And I also use a Walmart in my example.

Shots are being fired as you're walking into the store. You pull out your gun....And then out of one of the aisles comes a guy running towards the door with a gun.

Then what do you do mr hero?

[Orsino]

19. This is exactly where "good guy with a gun" falls apart.

These alleged good guys, who don't want to become cops and who don't want to be bothered with uniforms, and who aren't required to identify themselves or follow any other policing procedures designed to guard human life, want free rein to operate at an active crime scene without oversight, if they happen to show up before, during or immediately following a shooting. If they feel like it.

It's a recipe for fucking chaos and further unnecessary casualties among bystanders and actual, grown-up police, not to mention however much it would fuck up evidence.

It's a stupid idea that is only perpetuated because impotent white guys want to feel like action movie heroes. We don't need extra, half-assed wannabe cops at the site of an active shooter.

[Voltaire2]

20. Shoot them all and let god sort it out.

Isn’t that the general operating procedure for situations like this?

[MineralMan]

21. I guess. As I said above, I'm going to hide under

this desk until the shooting's over.

[Proud liberal 80]

22. Reminds me of this

https://m.

[MineralMan]

23. Perfect!

[ismnotwasm]

24. Its stupid and a nightmare for cops

In active shooter training, we are told to stay down and keep our hands raised where police can see them if raised. Once the police and other first responders arrive, it would be a logistical nightmare

Link to tweet

[MineralMan]

25. Yes, of course it is. We can all see that clearly.

Apparently, the gun nuts can't, though. Not too bright, I guess. Maybe they shouldn't have guns, eh? Too stupid.

[ismnotwasm]

33. Thats the part that scares me

I look at the people I know with assault rifles, which is a quite number, (I know people from all over the place) and there is a certain instability in far too many of them. They tend to be Libertarian or Republican and use talking points/memes instead of logic. They are insecure and not wrapped too tight.

One of my SIL’s gave up his after his second daughter was born, the same way he gave up World of Warcraft gaming, he wasn’t a fanatic, he just liked to shoot. It wasn’t worth it to him to have around his daughters. Another SIL is ex-military, a never-Trump Republican and can MAKE assault rifles if he chooses, being a weapons expert. He hunts and fishes for his family and lives very simply. Even he is not enamoured of assault rifles. He’s my go-to guy if I want any information about guns. He usually has interesting insights, and is a firm believer in gun control and background checks, although he is NOT a believer in gun bans. My two SIL’s represent a far more stable point of view than what we have been hearing lately.

[Proud liberal 80]

30. I am sorry

In active shooter training, we are told to stay down and keep our hands raised where police can see them if raised.

Isn’t that what the kids at Columbine and Sandy Hook did.

I know I am going get backlash on this. And by no means am I a gun nut. I think we need stricter gun laws and I even think the second amendment is misinterpreted and was needed for the time when we were a new country and faced threats from world powers and Indian attacks (even if the latter was justified, I mean we did take their land). But the founding fathers weren’t talking about the type of weapons now.

I say all that to say that I find no problem with having a few properly trained and mentally evaluated teachers having guns. With quarterly training and evaluation. The police officers who respond to a scene would know who these teachers are. Laying down like a sitting duck is just going to get more kids and teachers killed.

Edit: heck, the church I go to has something like this.

[ismnotwasm]

36. Who is going to pay for it?

The same schools who can’t afford books are going to install metal detectors at every door, and spend the money training teachers to be law inforcement as well as teachers? Alabama already has a legislation suggesting that very thing so we willsee how it works out.

First responders weren’t the ones at Columbine and Sandy hook doing the killing—I’m talking about when the police show up, not when there is a murderer. They teach you to hide, mostly. Sorry if I wasn’t clear

[Eliot Rosewater]

26. Too bad nose holders and stein voters and non voters gave us Gorsuch

count on many many more dead in scenarios like the most recent one.

[MineralMan]

27. Indeed.

[smirkymonkey]

29. Of course not. Republicans came up with the idea. When have they ever thought anything through?

So sick of these idiots!

[matt819]

32. Won't matter

Those armed military drones will take out the entire school.

Sheesh! That should have been obvious.

[silverweb]

34. Case in point: THIS happened just last week.

Texas police mistakenly shoot man who took gun from suspect

http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article200314109.html

[MineralMan]

35. Yup. It's a recipe for a disaster casserole.

[silverweb]

37. It's insane.

[ProfessorGAC]

38. The Solution Is Clever Bullets

We invent clever bullets and then everyone just fires wildly and randomly, but these bullets will be so clever that they will only hit the bad guys that started it.

I'm pretty sure it will work.

(Did i really need to put that here?)

[MineralMan]

39. An excellent idea, indeed!

Let's get the ammo companies on that right away!

[Quixote1818]

42. The Daily Show had a great segment on this

[eppur_se_muova]

43. And you could get this kind of result ...

?t=60

Jump to 1:00

[FarCenter]

44. Not this one

[Adrahil]

45. Exactly...

So we arm all these teachers. There's an active shooter. problems:

1) Teachers shoot the wrong people. Inexperienced teachers whip out their Glocks... the adrenaline is pumping and they see a student come around the corner with something in their hand.... POP POP POP. Dead student. Remorseful teacher. But hey, the teach thought they were in genuine fear for their life, right?

2) SWAT comes in the building. They see a man with a gun in his hand. Maybe he's even shooting at someone. POP POP POP. Dead teacher. He was shooting at the shooter. Or maybe a student. Doesn;t matter.... the cops were in genuine fear of their lives.

The stupidity becomes obvious very quickly.