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babylonsister

(171,072 posts)
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:19 AM Feb 2018

Whatever Trump is Hiding Is Hurting All of Us Now

https://politicalwire.com/2018/02/18/whatever-trump-hiding-hurting-us-now/

Whatever Trump is Hiding Is Hurting All of Us Now
February 18, 2018 at 9:03 pm EST
By Taegan Goddard


Thomas Friedman: “President Trump is either totally compromised by the Russians or is a towering fool, or both, but either way he has shown himself unwilling or unable to defend America against a Russian campaign to divide and undermine our democracy.”

“That is, either Trump’s real estate empire has taken large amounts of money from shady oligarchs linked to the Kremlin — so much that they literally own him; or rumors are true that he engaged in sexual misbehavior while he was in Moscow running the Miss Universe contest, which Russian intelligence has on tape and he doesn’t want released; or Trump actually believes Russian President Vladimir Putin when he says he is innocent of intervening in our elections — over the explicit findings of Trump’s own C.I.A., N.S.A. and F.B.I. chiefs.”

“In sum, Trump is either hiding something so threatening to himself, or he’s criminally incompetent to be commander in chief.”
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Whatever Trump is Hiding Is Hurting All of Us Now (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2018 OP
I'll take both answers for $500, Alex... Raster Feb 2018 #1
And add money-laundering, please RandomAccess Feb 2018 #33
Oh yes, I can support that! Raster Feb 2018 #34
YES! Cha Feb 2018 #36
Maybe all three or maybe more and or something worse nolabels Feb 2018 #2
The tapes are not "pee-pee" ... they are Trump bedding down with minors. Moostache Feb 2018 #25
he's finally right about something. that said, piss on freidman anyway. KG Feb 2018 #3
I think Vlad owns him and you can imagine what he does to people who don't pay their bills. Vinca Feb 2018 #4
I agree...something isn't right here when he keeps harping on it again and again and again and ... SWBTATTReg Feb 2018 #5
"Sounds like"? WTF? mobeau69 Feb 2018 #24
Excellent op-ed MBS Feb 2018 #6
He won't defend our country against enemies foreign and domestic Martin Eden Feb 2018 #7
Of course it's a breach PJMcK Feb 2018 #13
Not unless Dems regain the House and Senate Martin Eden Feb 2018 #14
Pence will probably get caught up in the Mueller investigation PJMcK Feb 2018 #16
Thanks for laying that out for us Farmer-Rick Feb 2018 #29
If it takes that long to impeach Trump, then Pence's complicity is irrelevant. Martin Eden Feb 2018 #30
It's all of the above. ananda Feb 2018 #8
I think almost everyone has to know that something is definitely wrong with this president. lkinwi Feb 2018 #9
Strong article. joshcryer Feb 2018 #10
Or Red Don is a True Believer in Russia and is out right helping Vlad subvert US influence globally uponit7771 Feb 2018 #11
It is all about the ruble! imanamerican63 Feb 2018 #12
Here's the link to the full NYT op-ed. MBS Feb 2018 #15
I choose option C lark Feb 2018 #17
Well both jimlup Feb 2018 #18
K&R... spanone Feb 2018 #19
Amen. kentuck Feb 2018 #20
Exposed outright, admitting it's about the money NoMoreRepugs Feb 2018 #21
All of the above, and then some. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #22
Ditto. nt mobeau69 Feb 2018 #27
Sunlight is the best disinfectant. (nt) ehrnst Feb 2018 #23
#fakepresident is a bad man with no redeeming qualities Cary Feb 2018 #26
It has to be really bad, like a tape of him having sex with a 14 year old who resembles Ivanka njhoneybadger Feb 2018 #28
How much more bdamomma Feb 2018 #31
Recommended. H2O Man Feb 2018 #32
Trump is hiding something AND he is criminally incompetent. dalton99a Feb 2018 #35

Raster

(20,998 posts)
1. I'll take both answers for $500, Alex...
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:55 AM
Feb 2018
...“In sum, Trump is either hiding something so threatening to himself, or he’s criminally incompetent to be commander in chief.”
 

RandomAccess

(5,210 posts)
33. And add money-laundering, please
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:07 PM
Feb 2018

He was already fined for that back in his Casino days and there's PLENTY of circumstantial evidence for it.

I think that's more important to him than the tapes because he can lose his money and property if convicted of that, and he CAN be convicted of that (with no opportunity to pardon himself) because it would be prosecuted in state courts.

He doesn't have enough shame, frankly, to be worried about the tapes.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
2. Maybe all three or maybe more and or something worse
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:04 AM
Feb 2018

The motives for someone that steps off of the path and wanders are as wide as the sky. Since the public only gets to see small parts of important issues of a special prosecutors investigations the rest of peoples thinking can only be with educated speculations.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
25. The tapes are not "pee-pee" ... they are Trump bedding down with minors.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:09 AM
Feb 2018

It is the only thing that makes sense outside of financial entanglements that leave him open to blackmail...but even those would be a blip, being a pedophile and having the goods on tape are game overs for Trump.

SWBTATTReg

(22,143 posts)
5. I agree...something isn't right here when he keeps harping on it again and again and again and ...
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:37 AM
Feb 2018

again to the point, enough already! Obviously from the way he's acting (like he really is guilty of something, you know)? Anyone else would have just let them do their thing (the FBI, Mueller, etc.) and calmly awaited the conclusion(s) and report(s) of their investigations. But here and the way he is acting?

Sounds like he's guilty of something and has definitely something to hide, doesn't he?

MBS

(9,688 posts)
6. Excellent op-ed
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:38 AM
Feb 2018

He nicely illuminates both the core of the problem, and its urgency.
One of the best from Friedman in a long time.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
13. Of course it's a breach
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:15 AM
Feb 2018

The problem is that impeachment is the only real solution and that's not going to happen.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
16. Pence will probably get caught up in the Mueller investigation
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:28 AM
Feb 2018

After all, Pence was in the campaign and he was the head of the transition team. He's going to be dirty, too.

My skepticism about impeachment stems from the inherent difficulty of removing a president. Even if we Democrats win the House this fall, the new Democratic majority won't be seated until January 2019-- ten long months from now. Even if the new Speaker makes impeachment a priority, it will take months to hold hearings, draft articles of impeachment, and debate and vote on them. Assuming they pass, then the fun starts.

A trial in the Senate will take more months of preparation. Then the trial and vote whether to remove the president. Even if we Democrats flip a few Senate seats, it will be a far cry from the 67 votes that would be needed to convict and remove the president. Would the evidence against Trump be powerful and persuasive enough to convince enough partisan Republicans to vote against their party's leader? With this batch of bozos, I find that really hard to believe.

If all of that transpires, it would probably take at least another year and then we'd be in 2020. I cannot believe that our country has come to this point!

(By the way, I know you already know all of this. I just needed to vent. Thanks for reading!)

Farmer-Rick

(10,185 posts)
29. Thanks for laying that out for us
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:12 AM
Feb 2018

But congress has been known to act quicker, with enough pressure and heat. But I'm not sure the temperature is hot enough yet.

Martin Eden

(12,870 posts)
30. If it takes that long to impeach Trump, then Pence's complicity is irrelevant.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:22 AM
Feb 2018

Unless he's out of office by then, the next president would be in office by the time he's impeached.

The decision whether or not to pursue impeachment is a political calculation but it also needs to be a matter of right and wrong, of fulfilling a responsibility, and of justice.

I believe GW Bush and Dick Cheney are war criminals who abused the national tragedy of 9/11 and deliberately lied us into the catastrophic war in Iraq.

Nancy Pelosi immediately took impeachment "off the table" when she became House Speaker. In my view, she took justice off the table.

lkinwi

(1,477 posts)
9. I think almost everyone has to know that something is definitely wrong with this president.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:03 AM
Feb 2018

But their fears are buried underneath a bunch of wedge issues and/or bigotry that tRump continues to exploit. It’s exhausting.

imanamerican63

(13,802 posts)
12. It is all about the ruble!
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:09 AM
Feb 2018

He is either in debt to the Russians? He has launder money for them? He has been taking a bribes from them? Take your pick? But, then again! It could be that he wants to be like Putin, in control of everything?

MBS

(9,688 posts)
15. Here's the link to the full NYT op-ed.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:26 AM
Feb 2018

Really important article.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/opinion/trump-russia-putin.html
A few more excerpts:

Up to now, Trump has been flouting the norms of the presidency. Now Trump’s behavior amounts to a refusal to carry out his oath of office — to protect and defend the Constitution. Here’s an imperfect but close analogy: It’s as if George W. Bush had said after 9/11: “No big deal. I am going golfing over the weekend in Florida and blogging about how it’s all the Democrats’ fault — no need to hold a National Security Council meeting.”

At a time when the special prosecutor Robert Mueller — leveraging several years of intelligence gathering by the F.B.I., C.I.A. and N.S.A. — has brought indictments against 13 Russian nationals and three Russian groups — all linked in some way to the Kremlin — for interfering with the 2016 U.S. elections, America needs a president who will lead our nation’s defense against this attack on the integrity of our electoral democracy.

What would that look like? He would educate the public on the scale of the problem; he would bring together all the stakeholders — state and local election authorities, the federal government, both parties and all the owners of social networks that the Russians used to carry out their interference — to mount an effective defense; and he would bring together our intelligence and military experts to mount an effective offense against Putin — the best defense of all.

. ..

After pointing how much Trump is NOT doing what needs to be done, Friedman concludes:

My guess is what Trump is hiding has to do with money. It’s something about his financial ties to business elites tied to the Kremlin. They may own a big stake in him. Who can forget that quote from his son Donald Trump Jr. from back in 2008: “Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets.” They may own our president. But whatever it is, Trump is either trying so hard to hide it or is so naïve about Russia that he is ready to not only resist mounting a proper defense of our democracy, he’s actually ready to undermine some of our most important institutions, the F.B.I. and Justice Department, to keep his compromised status hidden.
That must not be tolerated. This is code red. The biggest threat to the integrity of our democracy today is in the Oval Office.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,435 posts)
21. Exposed outright, admitting it's about the money
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:58 AM
Feb 2018

and the pee tape and massive collusion...everything....I'm
still not positive the "base" will abandon him.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
26. #fakepresident is a bad man with no redeeming qualities
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:09 AM
Feb 2018

The whys and wherefores are irrelevant.

Resist! And, of course, VOTE DEMOCRATIC!

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