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Among the trailers for coming attractions when we saw The Post (excellent) there was one for Chappaquiddick. And we speculated of whether it is produced by the Koch brothers or by other RW entity. Why bring this story now, more than 45 years later?
dchill
(38,505 posts)Wwcd
(6,288 posts)Its how the RW wins anything.
Slander & sensationalism.
"Salacious" is their go to campaign strategy.
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)At country clubs are good at, that and fucking over anyone they come in contact with.
Sophia4
(3,515 posts)They're really, really mean, the Republicans.
Tatiana
(14,167 posts)Already?
What sleazebags these Republicans are.
And we need to start following their money. Is is Koch $$$ or Russian?
Moostache
(9,895 posts)This is RMNJ funded propaganda designed to lay the ground work for smearing the Kennedy name to a generation of dumbasses that have no regard for history and no perspective on anything outside of what they are told to think on the TV or Internet machines...
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)Chappaquidick-- 1969
Joe Kennedy was born in 1980
question everything
(47,487 posts)And, yes, I too wondered about it.
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)Tatiana
(14,167 posts)It can be read as none other than a preemptive strike against Joseph Patrick Kennedy III.
They are afraid of him and that bodes well for us, I think. It shows he has real strength in areas like Appalachia. If he has that kind of appeal, states like West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Kentucky become possibilities for us.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Like any reasonable, thinking person is going to blame Joe Kennedy for something his uncle did back in 1969. Cheap shot.
struggle4progress
(118,295 posts)CTyankee
(63,912 posts)My daughter and her husband have a house on Chappy. It is nice and a great house to get away to be in August. I am not so always great that it's the greatest get away to be. I think I'd rather be in Europe but that is me. I think the beach thing is overrated...
DFW
(54,408 posts)I do live in Europe. We prefer to spend part of July/August on Cape Cod. Here in Europe, the expensive, overcrowded, über-expensive tourist season is something we prefer to escape, not run toward. Spain-France-Switzerland-Germany-Holland may sound like a nice summer getaway to some, but to me, that's a typical work week. After 11 months of that, I'm ready for some beach, and NOT one with wall-to-wall people, pay-for beach baskets as thick as caviar eggs, and cigarette butts and beer cans carpeting the sand. North America still does have some redeeming features.
TuxedoKat
(3,818 posts)My favorite time to go to Europe is May, June or September. Weather is great but no big crowds.
fierywoman
(7,686 posts)NewJeffCT
(56,828 posts)just because he has a (D) after this name, he's subject to smears and innuendo from Republicans for at least another 50 years. Republicans still use the fact that Robert Byrd was in the KKK in the 1940s against Democrats, even though Byrd later won praise on civil rights from the NAACP.
greyl
(22,990 posts)No reason to be defensive before seeing the thing.
question everything
(47,487 posts)Why raise this topic now? What lessons can we learn from it now? If indeed, it is going after a new Kennedy then this really is a cheap shot and the Republicans would love to grab. Will be a nice diversion from, say, a president getting a tabloid hiding his affair with a playboy girl while he is screaming fake news.
Journeyman
(15,036 posts)and three years ago sued AT&T and Comcast for bias against minority run entertainment companies. The actors seem possibly liberal: Ed Helms (formerly of The Daily Show), comedian Jim Gaffigan, Bruce Dern (whose parents were friends with Frank & Eleanor Roosevelt, for what it matters), and Kate Mara, who comes from sports wealth but is friends with Sen. Cory Booker.
Don't know what the reason is for releasing this now, can't suss what the politics of the flick will be, but it doesn't seem to be something produced by the Koch Brothers or any other RW entity.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)I thought about a road (well, maybe bridge) movie with Trump as Teddy, and Kim Jim Un as a preop TG Mary Jo.
Hows that sound?
Yupster
(14,308 posts)another Superhero thriller.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)What kills me is lots of em get good reviews
They ALL suck big fat trumpass
Unrelenting assault on the senses and all mental processes
Unwatchable, meretricious dreck
That goes for all zombie fare (xept the original NOTLD) and GOT
how do people watch that garbage?
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)And the many that find them inspirational.
You know, people like Obama, for instance, with his love of Superman.
Or the actors who take these superhero characters they play and visit hospitals with sick kids and give them some hope.
Or the millions of people who are seeing Black Panther and seeing themselves on the big screen in a new way.
Yeah, you have the hiding in the well smiley because you know it's an unpopular opinion, but you're more than welcome to it.
But why spend the time trashing and tearing down instead of building up? Or acknowledging the good that most of those works actually do and the positive message built into superhero and comic works in general?
Cause it's easier to go with tearing down.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)It's escapism to be sure, but it also helps to get others off the hook for some of the bad crap they have helped to transpire and or it might take the focus of what we need to accomplish as a society
You might even ask yourself this question: If I really don't feel that that badly about the transgressions or something that is happening will I have the personal empowerment or impetus to do something about it?
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)But if five or six superhero movies a year is stopping people from what they need to do in their lives then those people have far bigger issues.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Yea, I like most of them too. Though I have found that real life motivates better. As children, we are often reinforced with this idea that something else outside our reign of influence will come and rescue us from our perils. Enhancing or reinforcing that belief, in general, makes for pie in the sky. Easy to digest infotainment or just bread and circus to keep the masses occupied is one of those string pulling billionaire's goals. The more we dream about it being someones else's job the more we find hesitation on what we might want to do ourselves.
When I need to unwind after a long day I sometimes find me an astronomy documentary on netflicks or somewhere. It helps me reason and understand how minuscule we and our problems really are
Yupster
(14,308 posts)they don't have enough car crashes or explosions, and that's how I measure how good a movie is. I realize I musty be about the only one avoiding them since they do well. I'm going to formally change my avoidance to a formal one man boycott though I admit I did see Underdog.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)I quite enjoyed that one with my kids when they were young.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Perhaps you'd like to share your favorite pastimes so others can tell you how much they suck.
KatyMan
(4,198 posts)For example, I think comic books are silly and even did as a kid, but I have a daughter and several friends who love them and I think it's great. They probably think I spend WAY too much time on Beatles or guitar related stuff. To each his own. Plus, it's possible to like to unwind with an astronomy documentary on Netflix on Wednesday evening and then unwind watching an Avengers movie on Thursday. People actually can multi-task entertainment-wise.
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)because there's a large swath of kids books.
Is John Lewis silly for putting the story of March to comic form?
Or the Hugo award-winning material from Sandman? Well, that did threaten literary types because they looked down on the medium and made sure it wasn't eligible again because it shamed them.
Is it silly to have the brighter "four color" books of decades be inspirational to people? Many kids read these and grow up to be better people, like that Obama guy.
Superhero comics - which is a segment of a larger realm of books that covers a fascinating range of things (especially once you look at comics elsewhere in the world where it wasn't stunted for decades because of the Comics Code Authority), are essentially the mythology of the modern day. but they also provide an immense kind of representation for many people from all walks of life being made BY people from those same walks of life that aren't getting viewed elsewhere.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Where do I claim to be stating a fact?
My favorite pastime of all is getting under the skin of humorless folks who take my OPINIONS seriously
I already presented some of mine, and will tell you some more after you tell me some of yours
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Cheerio, and good luck to you
https://m.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=3&v=8tmJRQ6IKkk
mythology
(9,527 posts)I don't like superhero movies because of I think X, Y, Z. You may have noticed you didn't do that. Instead you said they are drek and stupid.
You didn't get under my skin, that would require you in some way matter to me. Random people who are proud to claim the mantle of internet troll aren't anything special or unique (4Chan is full of them for example). So feel free to keep acting like a sullen teenager and thinking it makes you edgy. I too had my "the world can bite me" phase. I much prefer myself as a grown up who doesn't feel the need to constantly belittle and insult others. Your mileage may vary.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Look up the word projection
Then watch some decent movies
Try reading something beside a comic book
Then.....
And seek help for your anger issues
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)what does an ignorant troll know about anything:
https://www.criterion.com/films/295-the-rules-of-the-game
lunamagica
(9,967 posts)I hate, HATE those movies! And I feel like I'm the only one who does!
crazycatlady
(4,492 posts)And that is okay. You don't have to watch it.
And maybe the same person watches both Downton Abbey and Jersey Shore. When my brain is fried, I want to watch/read trash.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,011 posts)He went on to do better things, but he's very lucky he didn't suffer more consequences than he did and IMO deserved to. I get not wanting to bring it up now, but to treat it as a joke is shocking. To repeat - a woman lost her life, parents lost their daughter, it was a tragedy, not comedy material.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)See my other posts about the Kennedys here
Then take a chill pill
Jesus
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Feel better
question everything
(47,487 posts)how tasteless and cruel.
Both of us carry tools in our cars to break windows and cut seat belts ever since we got cars where you cannot override locked windows. In the 80s we had a Volvo and a Ford Mustang that did.
And we carry them because of the sad story of Jessica Savitch who and her dog, were in a car that sank in a canal. One of the story described her hugging her dog..
Exotica
(1,461 posts)For those with long memories, VW's complaint (and threats of legal action) may call to mind one of the Holy Grails of print comedy: National Lampoon's 1973 ad parody that shows a VW Bug floating in water with the slogan If Teddy Kennedy drove a Volkswagen, He'd be President Today. We'd link to a scan of this ad, but, well, it's been redacted from the face of the earth.
As Nat Lamp savant Mark Simonson recounts it in the Answers section of his "Very Large National Lampoon Site," the ad:
[W]as in the National Lampoon Encyclopedia of Humor (1973). It's listed in the contents page (under D) as "Doyle Dane Bernbach" and was written by Anne Beatts. If you buy a copy of this issue, you may find the ad is missing. As a result of a lawsuit by VW over the ad for unauthorized use of their trademark, NatLamp was forced to remove the page (with razor blades!) from any copies they still had in inventory (which, from what I gather, was about half the first printing of 250,000 copies) and all subsequent reprints. For what its worth, Ted Kennedy didn't sue.
50 Shades Of Blue
(10,011 posts)One. You think you're funny, I don't.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Try doing something that will make you feel less upset
underpants
(182,829 posts)I've read a few reviews of it and it appears to be not so much a hit job but a look into the life of those in lofty positions.
Rotten Tomatoes gives it 64%
Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)The facts of the case speak for themselves. It pains me to discuss it because John and Robert Kennedy are heroes to me. I firmly believe none of us should be judged by our worst moment or moments but Chappaquiddick was a doozy.
Two scenes from the trailer.
- Ted Kennedy tells his stroke ridden father who is confined to a wheel chair about the incident and says he wants to be a great man but doesn't know how and his father slaps him.
- Ted Kennedy explains his actions to one of his cousins , Joe Gargan, who is his lawyer and says " Peter had his flaws. Moses had a temper." Gargan replies Moses didn't leave a woman at the bottom of the Red Sea.
I'm not going to slam the movie but I'm definitely not seeing it. If I want to feel bad I can turn on the tv.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Im guessing the latter
If so, clearly a nasty, ad hominem waste of time
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)Oh, his father, Joe Kennedy, who could barely speak mouths the word "Alibi".
I try to put myself in his shoes. I'm Ted Kennedy, brother of the martyred and loved John and Robert Kennedy and future presidential candidate, I'm a married man, and I drive off a bridge, after leaving a party with a woman who is not my wife, and I escape the car, and she doesn't.
No words...
I won't be seeing the movie. The trailer was disturbing enough.
BTW, I campaigned him for him in 80, and my mom, god bless her memory, was a delegate for him at a Florida straw poll.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)they didnt know she was there
So........
Ill see if I can find it
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)He addresses it in his autobiography. In essence he said his actions were inexplicable and wrong and he can understand how people saw them in the worst light.
He's dead. When you die all the bad things you did die with you. The good things live on.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Could explain why he never wanted the real story to come out
And never forget this:
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/upshot/when-jfk-secretly-reached-out-to-castro.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=1743E0EA71991BAB46CAEE42A49D53C1&gwt=pay
https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB103/index.htm
The possibility of a meeting in Havana evolved from a shift in the President's thinking on the possibility of what declassified White House records called "an accommodation with Castro" in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Proposals from Bundy's office in the spring of 1963 called for pursuing "the sweet approach enticing Castro over to us," as a potentially more successful policy than CIA covert efforts to overthrow his regime. Top Secret White House memos record Kennedy's position that "we should start thinking along more flexible lines" and that "the president, himself, is very interested in [the prospect for negotiations]." Castro, too, appeared interested. In a May 1963 ABC News special on Cuba, Castro told correspondent Lisa Howard that he considered a rapprochement with Washington "possible if the United States government wishes it. In that case," he said, "we would be agreed to seek and find a basis" for improved relations.
The untold story of the Kennedy-Castro effort to seek an accommodation is the subject of a new documentary film, KENNEDY AND CASTRO: THE SECRET HISTORY, broadcast on the Discovery/Times cable channel on November 25 at 8pm. The documentary film, which focuses on Ms. Howard's role as a secret intermediary in the effort toward dialogue, was based on an article -- "JFK and Castro: The Secret Quest for Accommodation" -- written by Archive Senior Analyst Peter Kornbluh in the magazine, Cigar Aficionado. Kornbluh served as consulting producer and provided key declassified documents that are highlighted in the film. "The documents show that JFK clearly wanted to change the framework of hostile U.S. relations with Cuba," according to Kornbluh. "His assassination, at the very moment this initiative was coming to fruition, leaves a major 'what if' in the ensuing history of the U.S. conflict with Cuba."
Among the key documents relevant to this history:
Oval Office audio tape, November 5, 1963. The tape records a conversation between the President and McGeorge Bundy regarding Castro's invitation to William Attwood, a deputy to UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson, to come to Cuba for secret talks. The President responds that Attwood should be taken off the U.S. payroll prior to such a meeting so that the White House can plausibly deny that any official talks have taken
Oswald? Har
Ask confessed perjurer Richard Helms how funny that one is.....I know, you cant
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)One moment can change your whole life and end someone else's.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)Her theory is that Mary Jo was just asleep in the back seat, and Senator Kennedy and Rosemary Keough were going to go skinny-dipping. They didnt know Mary Jo was in the back. Kennedy crashed the car, the 2 in front got out, and since they didnt know Mary Jo was in the car at all, they didnt try to save her. Her theory is that this is why Ted Kennedy delayed so long in reporting it because why just report a car that went into the drink? (Hey, theyre rich, remember?)
Its not clear when they found out Mary Jo was missing, or even suspected she was in the car. (Why suspect someone fell asleep in the back of a car anyway? Did people do that a lot back then? You can see the car is huge, but still Say, I wonder how tall she was. Im 58? and no way would I do that unless I had room.) And the reason Ted Kennedys story is so weak is that they made it up at the very last minute when they found she had died (although how they knew she was in the car hmm, un
It goes on to excerpt the story.....this the original link
http://opedcartoons.com/2009/08/26/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jos-purse/
question everything
(47,487 posts)caused us to lose the elections. I suspect that it did.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)It was a long time ago.
melm00se
(4,993 posts)by Apex Entertainment and distributed by Entertainment Studios Motion Pictures. The latter is led by CEO Byron Allen
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I don't understand your objection to the existence of such a film.
question everything
(47,487 posts)ever since.
Part of the movie "The Post" is about Nixon insecurity which, of course, reminds of the current occupant. Except that Nixon was a seasoned elected official and a great foreign affairs stateman.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Arguably the most influential senator of our time.
The Chappaquiddick incident was a major news story that impacted not only him, but the country - as it came up often during his various campaigns, not the least of which being his campaign for president.
A movie exploring that incident and its impact could be good. It certainly doesn't need to be off limits.
Demsrule86
(68,586 posts)a kennedy
(29,673 posts)Ilsa
(61,695 posts)Blue_Adept
(6,399 posts)"On December 14, 2015, it was announced that Sam Taylor-Johnson would direct the film, though she later dropped out.[8] On April 25, 2016, it was announced Jason Clarke would play Ted Kennedy, with John Curran directing.[4] On July 7, 2016, Kate Mara and Ed Helms joined the cast of the film to play Mary Jo Kopechne and Joe Gargan.[5] On July 20, 2016, Bruce Dern joined the cast of the film to play Joseph P. Kennedy Sr..[6] On August 31, 2016, Jim Gaffigan and Olivia Thirlby joined the cast of the film.[7] Principal photography began on September 7, 2016.[7]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_(film)
While there are quick hitjob films that Republicans do put out, notably based on terrible novels by people I don't even want to name, this one has been moving along the traditional path of filmmaking.
I wouldn't call out Apex as possibly a rightwing film producer either; they largely work on aspirational films like McFarland, USA, Million Dollar Arm, Secretariat and the like.
http://apexentertainment.com/
Basically, I wouldn't view this as a reaction to Kennedy at all - and it had a premiere in the film festival circuit last September.
NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)That's right folks. Laura Pickles Bush ran a stop sign in high school and hit the car with her ex boyfriend inside. He died and there were never charges, because she was from a prominent family. There were all kinds of rumors swirling around at the time.
exboyfil
(17,863 posts)Then go for it.
Catherine Vincent
(34,490 posts)Right wingers will be bringing up Chappaquiddick for the next 100 years... and I'd add Waco to the list.
vercetti2021
(10,156 posts)Oh that thing from that time...long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Spin Wars! We got nothing, so dig deep into the past.
blogslut
(38,002 posts)1) Ted Kennedy is no longer alive, so minimal chance of lawsuits
2) "Jackie" did good box office, especially for a prestige film.
3) Public interest in the Kennedy family has been virtually unwavering for almost 60 years
4) Oscar bait
CanonRay
(14,104 posts)it's still very much a thing with them. They'll be shouting Benghazi in 2118.
rainin
(3,011 posts)they distrust the candidate. They just DO.
question everything
(47,487 posts)that reached all the way to the Supreme Court. Was this Citizens United? And wondered whether it was made by the same.
madville
(7,412 posts)It's an interesting political scandal involving one of the most powerful political families in our country.
The fact he survived it politically was an amazing feat itself and shows how strong he was.
I think it also gives some insight into an era when women's lives were not viewed as valuable as that of men.