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question everything

(47,487 posts)
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:25 AM Feb 2018

Chappaquiddick?

Among the trailers for coming attractions when we saw The Post (excellent) there was one for Chappaquiddick. And we speculated of whether it is produced by the Koch brothers or by other RW entity. Why bring this story now, more than 45 years later?

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Chappaquiddick? (Original Post) question everything Feb 2018 OP
Because whatabout. dchill Feb 2018 #1
Because running smear campaigns is all they know Wwcd Feb 2018 #2
This is the usual "gotcha" wise ass stuff golfer guys The_Casual_Observer Feb 2018 #3
Because they think that a member of the Kennedy family could run for a national office. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #4
Scared of Joe Kennedy, are they? Tatiana Feb 2018 #5
Exactly my first thought... Moostache Feb 2018 #32
Exactly. H2O Man Feb 2018 #43
Except Chappaquidick didn't happen in Joe Kennedy's lifetime crazycatlady Feb 2018 #49
Facts have never been an issue with them question everything Feb 2018 #61
I'd laugh in someone's face if I were blamed for a family event 11 years before I was born crazycatlady Feb 2018 #63
The purpose is to poison the well and tarnish the Kennedy name to a new generation. Tatiana Feb 2018 #73
Exactly what I think. smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #58
When ya ain't got nuthin, ya got nuthin t'lose struggle4progress Feb 2018 #6
Chappy? Why? CTyankee Feb 2018 #7
Then again.... DFW Feb 2018 #25
You're right TuxedoKat Feb 2018 #34
Hello --- he's DEAD! fierywoman Feb 2018 #8
doesn't matter to them NewJeffCT Feb 2018 #18
Depends on the angle and scope of view. One of the writers writes for The Simpsons. greyl Feb 2018 #9
Not defensive, just curious question everything Feb 2018 #62
It was produced by Entertainment Studios, which released the recent "Birth of a Nation". . . Journeyman Feb 2018 #10
Maybe its a wacky comedy! Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #11
I jut hope it's not Yupster Feb 2018 #12
Made me snort! Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #13
Unwatchable, except to the millions and millions who do watch them Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #14
I am in somewhat of a conflict with superhero stuff. nolabels Feb 2018 #15
I'll be honest, I have no idea what you're saying Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #19
Yea, a bunch of hyperbolic on my part nolabels Feb 2018 #20
I avoid superhero movies because Yupster Feb 2018 #74
Yeah, but that makes sense, Underdog was hilarious! Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #76
It's amusing that people mistake their opinions for facts mythology Feb 2018 #27
Totally agree. KatyMan Feb 2018 #29
That's like saying literature is silly Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #30
Too funny. You realize youre doing the very thing you accuse me of. Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #36
Much better than I can express it, perhaps this will leaven your tender sensibilities: Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #38
No, you clearly weren't stating an opinion. For reference, here's how that would look mythology Feb 2018 #39
You did it again! Quite the vehement, personal response (put words in my mouth much?) Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #40
Heres one, just for you. Clearly not up to your superhero/comic book standards, but, hey, Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #41
I thought I was the only one. lunamagica Feb 2018 #64
Not everyone shares your taste in TV/movies crazycatlady Feb 2018 #71
Wow... a woman died horribly, tragically, and it was Ted Kennedy's fault. 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #55
I feel your poutrage Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #56
Just for you Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #57
Is this (was) real? question everything Feb 2018 #65
Not real, its a 1973 National Lampoon parody advert Exotica Feb 2018 #70
"Poutrage" - so original. I saw your other posts. I was responding to this particular 50 Shades Of Blue Feb 2018 #59
I feel sorry for you Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #60
I'm surprised by the cast underpants Feb 2018 #17
Entertainment studios is just the distributor; Apex Productions did the film Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #35
The trailer makes Ted Kennedy look awful. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #37
Are those purported to be accurate quotes, scenes, or just made up BS? Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #42
I suspect the quotes are apocryphal. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #44
Ive read that he actually left with another woman. Mary Jo was passed out in back, and Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #46
That would contradict his account where he says he dove into the water to try and save her. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #47
Agreed. Did you see the link I just put up? Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #50
My dad used to say "the more you stir it, the more it stinks." DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #51
Here Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #48
We will never know whether his running against a sitting president from his own party question everything Feb 2018 #66
Inflation and the hostages did more to harm Carter than Ted Kennedy. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2018 #67
it was produced melm00se Feb 2018 #54
Why is it OK to make a movie about Nixon-related scandals but not Kennedy-related ones? oberliner Feb 2018 #16
Nixon was a president and influenced our political and public life question everything Feb 2018 #68
Ted Kennedy was "the lion of the Senate" oberliner Feb 2018 #72
Joe Kennedy III is impressive. They are afraid of him. Demsrule86 Feb 2018 #21
Yup, exactly what I was thinking. a kennedy Feb 2018 #22
Broad smear of democratic politicians, Kennedys in particular. nt Ilsa Feb 2018 #23
This film started development back in 2015 if not 2014 Blue_Adept Feb 2018 #24
Then let's make a movie about when Laura Bush hit her ex bf's car and killed him. NightWatcher Feb 2018 #26
Got a story to tell exboyfil Feb 2018 #28
Right wingers... Catherine Vincent Feb 2018 #31
Chappawhatwhat? vercetti2021 Feb 2018 #33
Money blogslut Feb 2018 #45
My RW cousin brings this up about once a week CanonRay Feb 2018 #52
All Hillary "baggage" was built this way. Do it long enough and people don't remember why rainin Feb 2018 #53
Yes, I was thinking of a movie about Hillary - cannot remember the name, do not care question everything Feb 2018 #69
They weren't going to make it while he was still alive and in the Senate madville Feb 2018 #75
 

Wwcd

(6,288 posts)
2. Because running smear campaigns is all they know
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:07 AM
Feb 2018

Its how the RW wins anything.

Slander & sensationalism.
"Salacious" is their go to campaign strategy.

 

The_Casual_Observer

(27,742 posts)
3. This is the usual "gotcha" wise ass stuff golfer guys
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:11 AM
Feb 2018

At country clubs are good at, that and fucking over anyone they come in contact with.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
4. Because they think that a member of the Kennedy family could run for a national office.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:11 AM
Feb 2018

They're really, really mean, the Republicans.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
5. Scared of Joe Kennedy, are they?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:13 AM
Feb 2018

Already?

What sleazebags these Republicans are.

And we need to start following their money. Is is Koch $$$ or Russian?

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
32. Exactly my first thought...
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:21 AM
Feb 2018

This is RMNJ funded propaganda designed to lay the ground work for smearing the Kennedy name to a generation of dumbasses that have no regard for history and no perspective on anything outside of what they are told to think on the TV or Internet machines...

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
49. Except Chappaquidick didn't happen in Joe Kennedy's lifetime
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:02 PM
Feb 2018

Chappaquidick-- 1969
Joe Kennedy was born in 1980

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
73. The purpose is to poison the well and tarnish the Kennedy name to a new generation.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:33 PM
Feb 2018

It can be read as none other than a preemptive strike against Joseph Patrick Kennedy III.

They are afraid of him and that bodes well for us, I think. It shows he has real strength in areas like Appalachia. If he has that kind of appeal, states like West Virginia, Pennsylvania and Kentucky become possibilities for us.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
58. Exactly what I think.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:45 PM
Feb 2018

Like any reasonable, thinking person is going to blame Joe Kennedy for something his uncle did back in 1969. Cheap shot.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
7. Chappy? Why?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:18 AM
Feb 2018

My daughter and her husband have a house on Chappy. It is nice and a great house to get away to be in August. I am not so always great that it's the greatest get away to be. I think I'd rather be in Europe but that is me. I think the beach thing is overrated...

DFW

(54,408 posts)
25. Then again....
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:40 AM
Feb 2018

I do live in Europe. We prefer to spend part of July/August on Cape Cod. Here in Europe, the expensive, overcrowded, über-expensive tourist season is something we prefer to escape, not run toward. Spain-France-Switzerland-Germany-Holland may sound like a nice summer getaway to some, but to me, that's a typical work week. After 11 months of that, I'm ready for some beach, and NOT one with wall-to-wall people, pay-for beach baskets as thick as caviar eggs, and cigarette butts and beer cans carpeting the sand. North America still does have some redeeming features.

TuxedoKat

(3,818 posts)
34. You're right
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:55 AM
Feb 2018

My favorite time to go to Europe is May, June or September. Weather is great but no big crowds.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
18. doesn't matter to them
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:53 AM
Feb 2018

just because he has a (D) after this name, he's subject to smears and innuendo from Republicans for at least another 50 years. Republicans still use the fact that Robert Byrd was in the KKK in the 1940s against Democrats, even though Byrd later won praise on civil rights from the NAACP.

greyl

(22,990 posts)
9. Depends on the angle and scope of view. One of the writers writes for The Simpsons.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:29 AM
Feb 2018

No reason to be defensive before seeing the thing.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
62. Not defensive, just curious
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:05 PM
Feb 2018

Why raise this topic now? What lessons can we learn from it now? If indeed, it is going after a new Kennedy then this really is a cheap shot and the Republicans would love to grab. Will be a nice diversion from, say, a president getting a tabloid hiding his affair with a playboy girl while he is screaming fake news.

Journeyman

(15,036 posts)
10. It was produced by Entertainment Studios, which released the recent "Birth of a Nation". . .
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 04:43 AM
Feb 2018

and three years ago sued AT&T and Comcast for bias against minority run entertainment companies. The actors seem possibly liberal: Ed Helms (formerly of The Daily Show), comedian Jim Gaffigan, Bruce Dern (whose parents were friends with Frank & Eleanor Roosevelt, for what it matters), and Kate Mara, who comes from sports wealth but is friends with Sen. Cory Booker.

Don't know what the reason is for releasing this now, can't suss what the politics of the flick will be, but it doesn't seem to be something produced by the Koch Brothers or any other RW entity.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
11. Maybe its a wacky comedy!
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 05:08 AM
Feb 2018

I thought about a road (well, maybe bridge) movie with Trump as Teddy, and Kim Jim Un as a preop TG Mary Jo.

How’s that sound?

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
13. Made me snort!
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 06:09 AM
Feb 2018

What kills me is lots of em get good reviews

They ALL suck big fat trumpass

Unrelenting assault on the senses and all mental processes

Unwatchable, meretricious dreck

That goes for all zombie fare (xept the original NOTLD) and GOT

how do people watch that garbage?

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
14. Unwatchable, except to the millions and millions who do watch them
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:11 AM
Feb 2018

And the many that find them inspirational.

You know, people like Obama, for instance, with his love of Superman.

Or the actors who take these superhero characters they play and visit hospitals with sick kids and give them some hope.

Or the millions of people who are seeing Black Panther and seeing themselves on the big screen in a new way.

Yeah, you have the hiding in the well smiley because you know it's an unpopular opinion, but you're more than welcome to it.

But why spend the time trashing and tearing down instead of building up? Or acknowledging the good that most of those works actually do and the positive message built into superhero and comic works in general?

Cause it's easier to go with tearing down.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
15. I am in somewhat of a conflict with superhero stuff.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:41 AM
Feb 2018

It's escapism to be sure, but it also helps to get others off the hook for some of the bad crap they have helped to transpire and or it might take the focus of what we need to accomplish as a society

You might even ask yourself this question: If I really don't feel that that badly about the transgressions or something that is happening will I have the personal empowerment or impetus to do something about it?

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
19. I'll be honest, I have no idea what you're saying
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:54 AM
Feb 2018

But if five or six superhero movies a year is stopping people from what they need to do in their lives then those people have far bigger issues.

nolabels

(13,133 posts)
20. Yea, a bunch of hyperbolic on my part
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 08:34 AM
Feb 2018

Yea, I like most of them too. Though I have found that real life motivates better. As children, we are often reinforced with this idea that something else outside our reign of influence will come and rescue us from our perils. Enhancing or reinforcing that belief, in general, makes for pie in the sky. Easy to digest infotainment or just bread and circus to keep the masses occupied is one of those string pulling billionaire's goals. The more we dream about it being someones else's job the more we find hesitation on what we might want to do ourselves.

When I need to unwind after a long day I sometimes find me an astronomy documentary on netflicks or somewhere. It helps me reason and understand how minuscule we and our problems really are

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
74. I avoid superhero movies because
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:37 PM
Feb 2018

they don't have enough car crashes or explosions, and that's how I measure how good a movie is. I realize I musty be about the only one avoiding them since they do well. I'm going to formally change my avoidance to a formal one man boycott though I admit I did see Underdog.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
76. Yeah, but that makes sense, Underdog was hilarious!
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:48 PM
Feb 2018

I quite enjoyed that one with my kids when they were young.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
27. It's amusing that people mistake their opinions for facts
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:48 AM
Feb 2018

Perhaps you'd like to share your favorite pastimes so others can tell you how much they suck.

KatyMan

(4,198 posts)
29. Totally agree.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:57 AM
Feb 2018

For example, I think comic books are silly and even did as a kid, but I have a daughter and several friends who love them and I think it's great. They probably think I spend WAY too much time on Beatles or guitar related stuff. To each his own. Plus, it's possible to like to unwind with an astronomy documentary on Netflix on Wednesday evening and then unwind watching an Avengers movie on Thursday. People actually can multi-task entertainment-wise.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
30. That's like saying literature is silly
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:08 AM
Feb 2018

because there's a large swath of kids books.

Is John Lewis silly for putting the story of March to comic form?

Or the Hugo award-winning material from Sandman? Well, that did threaten literary types because they looked down on the medium and made sure it wasn't eligible again because it shamed them.

Is it silly to have the brighter "four color" books of decades be inspirational to people? Many kids read these and grow up to be better people, like that Obama guy.

Superhero comics - which is a segment of a larger realm of books that covers a fascinating range of things (especially once you look at comics elsewhere in the world where it wasn't stunted for decades because of the Comics Code Authority), are essentially the mythology of the modern day. but they also provide an immense kind of representation for many people from all walks of life being made BY people from those same walks of life that aren't getting viewed elsewhere.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
36. Too funny. You realize youre doing the very thing you accuse me of.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:01 AM
Feb 2018

Where do I claim to be stating a fact?

My favorite pastime of all is getting under the skin of humorless folks who take my OPINIONS seriously

I already presented some of mine, and will tell you some more after you tell me some of yours

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
39. No, you clearly weren't stating an opinion. For reference, here's how that would look
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:20 AM
Feb 2018

I don't like superhero movies because of I think X, Y, Z. You may have noticed you didn't do that. Instead you said they are drek and stupid.

You didn't get under my skin, that would require you in some way matter to me. Random people who are proud to claim the mantle of internet troll aren't anything special or unique (4Chan is full of them for example). So feel free to keep acting like a sullen teenager and thinking it makes you edgy. I too had my "the world can bite me" phase. I much prefer myself as a grown up who doesn't feel the need to constantly belittle and insult others. Your mileage may vary.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
40. You did it again! Quite the vehement, personal response (put words in my mouth much?)
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:29 AM
Feb 2018

Look up the word projection

Then watch some decent movies

Try reading something beside a comic book

Then.....



And seek help for your anger issues

Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
41. Heres one, just for you. Clearly not up to your superhero/comic book standards, but, hey,
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:37 AM
Feb 2018

what does an ignorant troll know about anything:

https://www.criterion.com/films/295-the-rules-of-the-game

crazycatlady

(4,492 posts)
71. Not everyone shares your taste in TV/movies
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:29 PM
Feb 2018

And that is okay. You don't have to watch it.

And maybe the same person watches both Downton Abbey and Jersey Shore. When my brain is fried, I want to watch/read trash.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,011 posts)
55. Wow... a woman died horribly, tragically, and it was Ted Kennedy's fault.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:37 PM
Feb 2018

He went on to do better things, but he's very lucky he didn't suffer more consequences than he did and IMO deserved to. I get not wanting to bring it up now, but to treat it as a joke is shocking. To repeat - a woman lost her life, parents lost their daughter, it was a tragedy, not comedy material.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
65. Is this (was) real?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:14 PM
Feb 2018

how tasteless and cruel.

Both of us carry tools in our cars to break windows and cut seat belts ever since we got cars where you cannot override locked windows. In the 80s we had a Volvo and a Ford Mustang that did.



And we carry them because of the sad story of Jessica Savitch who and her dog, were in a car that sank in a canal. One of the story described her hugging her dog..

 

Exotica

(1,461 posts)
70. Not real, its a 1973 National Lampoon parody advert
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:26 PM
Feb 2018
http://gawker.com/030663/volkswagen-still-doesnt-find-it-funny

For those with long memories, VW's complaint (and threats of legal action) may call to mind one of the Holy Grails of print comedy: National Lampoon's 1973 ad parody that shows a VW Bug floating in water with the slogan If Teddy Kennedy drove a Volkswagen, He'd be President Today. We'd link to a scan of this ad, but, well, it's been redacted from the face of the earth.

As Nat Lamp savant Mark Simonson recounts it in the Answers section of his "Very Large National Lampoon Site," the ad:

[W]as in the National Lampoon Encyclopedia of Humor (1973). It's listed in the contents page (under D) as "Doyle Dane Bernbach" and was written by Anne Beatts. If you buy a copy of this issue, you may find the ad is missing. As a result of a lawsuit by VW over the ad for unauthorized use of their trademark, NatLamp was forced to remove the page (with razor blades!) from any copies they still had in inventory (which, from what I gather, was about half the first printing of 250,000 copies) and all subsequent reprints. For what its worth, Ted Kennedy didn't sue.

50 Shades Of Blue

(10,011 posts)
59. "Poutrage" - so original. I saw your other posts. I was responding to this particular
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:45 PM
Feb 2018

One. You think you're funny, I don't.

underpants

(182,829 posts)
17. I'm surprised by the cast
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:53 AM
Feb 2018

I've read a few reviews of it and it appears to be not so much a hit job but a look into the life of those in lofty positions.

Rotten Tomatoes gives it 64%

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
37. The trailer makes Ted Kennedy look awful.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:10 AM
Feb 2018

The facts of the case speak for themselves. It pains me to discuss it because John and Robert Kennedy are heroes to me. I firmly believe none of us should be judged by our worst moment or moments but Chappaquiddick was a doozy.

Two scenes from the trailer.

- Ted Kennedy tells his stroke ridden father who is confined to a wheel chair about the incident and says he wants to be a great man but doesn't know how and his father slaps him.

- Ted Kennedy explains his actions to one of his cousins , Joe Gargan, who is his lawyer and says " Peter had his flaws. Moses had a temper." Gargan replies Moses didn't leave a woman at the bottom of the Red Sea.

I'm not going to slam the movie but I'm definitely not seeing it. If I want to feel bad I can turn on the tv.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
42. Are those purported to be accurate quotes, scenes, or just made up BS?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:41 AM
Feb 2018

I’m guessing the latter

If so, clearly a nasty, ad hominem waste of time

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
44. I suspect the quotes are apocryphal.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:50 AM
Feb 2018

Oh, his father, Joe Kennedy, who could barely speak mouths the word "Alibi".

I try to put myself in his shoes. I'm Ted Kennedy, brother of the martyred and loved John and Robert Kennedy and future presidential candidate, I'm a married man, and I drive off a bridge, after leaving a party with a woman who is not my wife, and I escape the car, and she doesn't.

No words...

I won't be seeing the movie. The trailer was disturbing enough.

BTW, I campaigned him for him in 80, and my mom, god bless her memory, was a delegate for him at a Florida straw poll.



 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
46. Ive read that he actually left with another woman. Mary Jo was passed out in back, and
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:54 AM
Feb 2018

they didn’t know she was there

So........

I’ll see if I can find it

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
47. That would contradict his account where he says he dove into the water to try and save her.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:57 AM
Feb 2018

He addresses it in his autobiography. In essence he said his actions were inexplicable and wrong and he can understand how people saw them in the worst light.

He's dead. When you die all the bad things you did die with you. The good things live on.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
50. Agreed. Did you see the link I just put up?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:08 PM
Feb 2018

Could explain why he never wanted the real story to come out

And never forget this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/18/upshot/when-jfk-secretly-reached-out-to-castro.html?mtrref=www.google.com&gwh=1743E0EA71991BAB46CAEE42A49D53C1&gwt=pay

https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB103/index.htm

On the 40th anniversary of the assassination of John F. Kennedy, and the eve of the broadcast of a new documentary film on Kennedy and Castro, the National Security Archive today posted an audio tape of the President and his national security advisor, McGeorge Bundy, discussing the possibility of a secret meeting in Havana with Castro. The tape, dated only seventeen days before Kennedy was shot in Dallas, records a briefing from Bundy on Castro's invitation to a U.S. official at the United Nations, William Attwood, to come to Havana for secret talks on improving relations with Washington. The tape captures President Kennedy's approval if official U.S. involvement could be plausibly denied.

The possibility of a meeting in Havana evolved from a shift in the President's thinking on the possibility of what declassified White House records called "an accommodation with Castro" in the aftermath of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Proposals from Bundy's office in the spring of 1963 called for pursuing "the sweet approach…enticing Castro over to us," as a potentially more successful policy than CIA covert efforts to overthrow his regime. Top Secret White House memos record Kennedy's position that "we should start thinking along more flexible lines" and that "the president, himself, is very interested in [the prospect for negotiations]." Castro, too, appeared interested. In a May 1963 ABC News special on Cuba, Castro told correspondent Lisa Howard that he considered a rapprochement with Washington "possible if the United States government wishes it. In that case," he said, "we would be agreed to seek and find a basis" for improved relations.

The untold story of the Kennedy-Castro effort to seek an accommodation is the subject of a new documentary film, KENNEDY AND CASTRO: THE SECRET HISTORY, broadcast on the Discovery/Times cable channel on November 25 at 8pm. The documentary film, which focuses on Ms. Howard's role as a secret intermediary in the effort toward dialogue, was based on an article -- "JFK and Castro: The Secret Quest for Accommodation" -- written by Archive Senior Analyst Peter Kornbluh in the magazine, Cigar Aficionado. Kornbluh served as consulting producer and provided key declassified documents that are highlighted in the film. "The documents show that JFK clearly wanted to change the framework of hostile U.S. relations with Cuba," according to Kornbluh. "His assassination, at the very moment this initiative was coming to fruition, leaves a major 'what if' in the ensuing history of the U.S. conflict with Cuba."

Among the key documents relevant to this history:

Oval Office audio tape, November 5, 1963. The tape records a conversation between the President and McGeorge Bundy regarding Castro's invitation to William Attwood, a deputy to UN Ambassador Adlai Stevenson, to come to Cuba for secret talks. The President responds that Attwood should be taken off the U.S. payroll prior to such a meeting so that the White House can plausibly deny that any official talks have taken


Oswald? Har

Ask confessed perjurer Richard Helms how funny that one is.....I know, you can’t


DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
51. My dad used to say "the more you stir it, the more it stinks."
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:14 PM
Feb 2018

One moment can change your whole life and end someone else's.


 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
48. Here
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:00 PM
Feb 2018
I found a great analysis and a very possible answer to the puzzle in a Cape Cod paper: Cape Cod Today. It’s titled something like the anniversary of Mary Jo Kopechne’s death. I really don’t know what the point is of making an anniversary of a death, but in any case, the author, Mary Wentworth, did a lot of great research. I got several of my newfound facts from her.

Her theory is that Mary Jo was just asleep in the back seat, and Senator Kennedy and Rosemary Keough were going to go skinny-dipping. They didn’t know Mary Jo was in the back. Kennedy crashed the car, the 2 in front got out, and since they didn’t know Mary Jo was in the car at all, they didn’t try to save her. Her theory is that this is why Ted Kennedy delayed so long in reporting it – because why just report a car that went into the drink? (Hey, they’re rich, remember?)

It’s not clear when they found out Mary Jo was missing, or even suspected she was in the car. (Why suspect someone fell asleep in the back of a car anyway? Did people do that a lot back then? You can see the car is huge, but still…Say, I wonder how tall she was. I’m 5’8? and no way would I do that unless I had room.) And the reason Ted Kennedy’s story is so weak is that they made it up at the very last minute when they found she had died (although how they knew she was in the car…hmm, un


It goes on to excerpt the story.....this the original link

http://opedcartoons.com/2009/08/26/ted-kennedy-and-mary-jos-purse/

question everything

(47,487 posts)
66. We will never know whether his running against a sitting president from his own party
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:18 PM
Feb 2018

caused us to lose the elections. I suspect that it did.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. Why is it OK to make a movie about Nixon-related scandals but not Kennedy-related ones?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 07:46 AM
Feb 2018

I don't understand your objection to the existence of such a film.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
68. Nixon was a president and influenced our political and public life
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:22 PM
Feb 2018

ever since.

Part of the movie "The Post" is about Nixon insecurity which, of course, reminds of the current occupant. Except that Nixon was a seasoned elected official and a great foreign affairs stateman.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
72. Ted Kennedy was "the lion of the Senate"
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:30 PM
Feb 2018

Arguably the most influential senator of our time.

The Chappaquiddick incident was a major news story that impacted not only him, but the country - as it came up often during his various campaigns, not the least of which being his campaign for president.

A movie exploring that incident and its impact could be good. It certainly doesn't need to be off limits.

Blue_Adept

(6,399 posts)
24. This film started development back in 2015 if not 2014
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:40 AM
Feb 2018

"On December 14, 2015, it was announced that Sam Taylor-Johnson would direct the film, though she later dropped out.[8] On April 25, 2016, it was announced Jason Clarke would play Ted Kennedy, with John Curran directing.[4] On July 7, 2016, Kate Mara and Ed Helms joined the cast of the film to play Mary Jo Kopechne and Joe Gargan.[5] On July 20, 2016, Bruce Dern joined the cast of the film to play Joseph P. Kennedy Sr..[6] On August 31, 2016, Jim Gaffigan and Olivia Thirlby joined the cast of the film.[7] Principal photography began on September 7, 2016.[7]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_(film)

While there are quick hitjob films that Republicans do put out, notably based on terrible novels by people I don't even want to name, this one has been moving along the traditional path of filmmaking.

I wouldn't call out Apex as possibly a rightwing film producer either; they largely work on aspirational films like McFarland, USA, Million Dollar Arm, Secretariat and the like.

http://apexentertainment.com/

Basically, I wouldn't view this as a reaction to Kennedy at all - and it had a premiere in the film festival circuit last September.

NightWatcher

(39,343 posts)
26. Then let's make a movie about when Laura Bush hit her ex bf's car and killed him.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 09:42 AM
Feb 2018

That's right folks. Laura Pickles Bush ran a stop sign in high school and hit the car with her ex boyfriend inside. He died and there were never charges, because she was from a prominent family. There were all kinds of rumors swirling around at the time.

Catherine Vincent

(34,490 posts)
31. Right wingers...
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:09 AM
Feb 2018

Right wingers will be bringing up Chappaquiddick for the next 100 years... and I'd add Waco to the list.

vercetti2021

(10,156 posts)
33. Chappawhatwhat?
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 10:23 AM
Feb 2018

Oh that thing from that time...long time ago in a galaxy far far away. Spin Wars! We got nothing, so dig deep into the past.

blogslut

(38,002 posts)
45. Money
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 11:53 AM
Feb 2018

1) Ted Kennedy is no longer alive, so minimal chance of lawsuits
2) "Jackie" did good box office, especially for a prestige film.
3) Public interest in the Kennedy family has been virtually unwavering for almost 60 years
4) Oscar bait

CanonRay

(14,104 posts)
52. My RW cousin brings this up about once a week
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:16 PM
Feb 2018

it's still very much a thing with them. They'll be shouting Benghazi in 2118.

rainin

(3,011 posts)
53. All Hillary "baggage" was built this way. Do it long enough and people don't remember why
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:18 PM
Feb 2018

they distrust the candidate. They just DO.

question everything

(47,487 posts)
69. Yes, I was thinking of a movie about Hillary - cannot remember the name, do not care
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:25 PM
Feb 2018

that reached all the way to the Supreme Court. Was this Citizens United? And wondered whether it was made by the same.

madville

(7,412 posts)
75. They weren't going to make it while he was still alive and in the Senate
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 02:43 PM
Feb 2018

It's an interesting political scandal involving one of the most powerful political families in our country.

The fact he survived it politically was an amazing feat itself and shows how strong he was.

I think it also gives some insight into an era when women's lives were not viewed as valuable as that of men.

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