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Donald Trump IS Our Henry VIII. (Original Post) TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 OP
I tend to think of him as Nero or Caligula. roamer65 Feb 2018 #1
That's an insult to Henry... First Speaker Feb 2018 #2
He also beheaded two of his six wives... CatMor Feb 2018 #4
He turned into a 'monster' MFM008 Feb 2018 #9
Henry VIII was obese and disease riddled in his later life... CatMor Feb 2018 #3
No, he's not. TygrBright Feb 2018 #5
What say you to this? Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #13
Old Henry was a monster, but young Henry was far from that DavidDvorkin Feb 2018 #6
Maybe a 21st-century version of Commodus dalton99a Feb 2018 #7
Exactly! smirkymonkey Feb 2018 #17
I see him as more a post-Law of 22 Prairial Robespierre jmowreader Feb 2018 #8
For All Of Henry's Accomplishments His Brutality He Negated Much Of It. TheMastersNemesis Feb 2018 #10
He's our Baby Herman JHB Feb 2018 #11
He keeps saying to Count De Money, BigmanPigman Feb 2018 #12
Made me think of this, for some reason Gabi Hayes Feb 2018 #14
Charles IV of Spain and Trump IluvPitties Feb 2018 #15
Trump plays golf while America burns. Initech Feb 2018 #16
I prefer to think of him as Benito Mussolini circa April 1945 aka-chmeee Feb 2018 #18
More like Charles I if we want to get technical about it. BannonsLiver Feb 2018 #19

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
1. I tend to think of him as Nero or Caligula.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:15 AM
Feb 2018

Probably a mix of both. Nero for the cowardice, Caligula for the sex addiction.

Many parallels between the Roman and American empires, nowadays.

First Speaker

(4,858 posts)
2. That's an insult to Henry...
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:17 AM
Feb 2018

...he was a monster, yes...but he was also smart, an efficient executive, saw further than his advisors, and was personally brave--he personally led two English invasions of France, and saw combat. He wrote books on theology and composed music. Trump couldn't hold his codpiece...

CatMor

(6,212 posts)
4. He also beheaded two of his six wives...
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:23 AM
Feb 2018

He surely was a monster. The one really great thing he did was father Elizabeth I.

MFM008

(19,818 posts)
9. He turned into a 'monster'
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:47 AM
Feb 2018

He started out with great momentum.
Something happened to him.
Was it the fall
At a joust that caused him to be
unconscious for hours?
Was it a progressive physical disease.
Was he mental?
With the reformation Henry changed the world..
Maggot couldn't hold a candle to him..

TygrBright

(20,762 posts)
5. No, he's not.
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:26 AM
Feb 2018

For all his personal ugliness, matrimonial homicides, and institutionalized religious persecution, Henry VIII was actually a pretty competent head of state. He accomplished a lot as far as improving the middle class and merchant class influence in national policy and economic development, built up the country's naval defenses, chose a lot of highly competent (if nasty) advisors and ministers of State, improved the national finance and accounting system, and much more.

He actually left the *government* of England in very good shape. And with the exception of the religious persecutions and eliminations made "necessary" in the wake of his various matrimonial adventures (which had their root less in his personal concupiscience than in his obsessive drive to secure the dynastic line that began with his father's usurpation of the Plantagenet throne) he showed great restraint in using the vicious tools his father had created to crush the opposition that faced him after the invasion.

Let me be clear, I'm not an apologist for Henry VIII and certainly the last 15 years of his reign were as bad a shitshow as any Masterpiece Theater soap opera, between the tertiary syphilis symptoms and the increasing internal and external security threats.

But he was by NO means the childish incompetent surrounded by peurile, bumbling kleptocrats we are suffering under today.

historically,
Bright

DavidDvorkin

(19,479 posts)
6. Old Henry was a monster, but young Henry was far from that
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:28 AM
Feb 2018

Trump has always been a monster.

Moreover, Henry's monstrousness in later life may have been due to accumulated brain injuries. Trump has no such excuse.

jmowreader

(50,560 posts)
8. I see him as more a post-Law of 22 Prairial Robespierre
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 12:46 AM
Feb 2018

The Law of 22 Prairial was the enabling act for the Terror. It is the law that turned Robespierre into an absolute tyrant...which is exactly what Trump wants to be.

aka-chmeee

(1,132 posts)
18. I prefer to think of him as Benito Mussolini circa April 1945
Mon Feb 19, 2018, 01:02 PM
Feb 2018

Especially since he seems to really like Mussolini and tries to emulate him.

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