Republican blames kids not getting beaten and not watching Andy Griffith for school shootings...

[Archae]

Yup.

GOPer claims answer to school shootings is watching Andy Griffith and beating ‘all the students’ with a paddle

Former South Carolina Lt. Gov. Andrew Bauer (R) on Sunday suggested that more students are committing mass shootings because they no longer receive paddlings from teachers or watch The Andy Griffith Show.

During a panel segment on CNN, Bauer explained that he did not expect Republicans to take action against guns after the shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

“We have a culture thing here that we’re not discussing,” Bauer insisted, shifting the topic away from gun control and the National Rifle Association (NRA). “When I grew up it was Andy Griffith. You never had school shootings and we still had prayer in school and we drove to school with guns in the car.”

https://www.rawstory.com/2018/02/goper-claims-answer-school-shootings-watching-andy-griffith-beating-students-paddle/

[guillaumeb]

1. Do the beatings take place as they are watching Andy Griffith?

[PatrickforO]

52. Yes they do!

No better way to spend an afternoon than being beaten while watching Andy Griffith!

[sprinkleeninow]

55. Guillaume....

Nothing, just 😇.

I am doing my level best attempting to behave.

[guillaumeb]

58. NO problem observed with your behavior.

Except when you stray into other areas. Some areas are filled with traps and snares.

[sprinkleeninow]

59. I 'hear' ya mon ami, mon frere.

Je t'adore.

You keep on keepin' on. 🤗

(Accents à grave et â gui won't show up in the title box.)

Call: "One-Eight-Hundred-How's-My-Franglais". 😉

[guillaumeb]

62. No, accents and diacritical marks are not allowed.

It does make the words look funny, so I try to choose my word s rather carefully in the titles.

[JI7]

2. Andy Griffith would tell him to fuck off

[GoCubsGo]

24. The fool probably has no clue that Andy was a good Democrat.

[nmgaucho]

34. This is what Andy would say

[PatrickforO]

53. Not sure he'd drop the F bomb. Griffith was old school.

He'd sure tell him where to get off, though.

I mean, this statement the guy made is just mind boggling in its idiocy and its tone-deafness.

[jpak]

3. That was beyond disgusting

[CatMor]

4. You can't get any more ignorant than that idiot.

[sprinkleeninow]

56. Weeel, whattabout the doofus in our oval office. Wins 1st Place Tattered Ribbon.

[lapfog_1]

5. I don't remember a single "bad guy" in Mayberry

having an assault rifle with 30+ round magazines.

In fact, other than Barney accidentally shooting his revolver, I don't remember that many times a gun was even fired (maybe by somebody hunting with a single shot rifle or shotgun)

[Yupster]

21. That is an interesting point

Back in Mayberry days, pretty much every family had a gun or three. In fact kids would walk around the streets with guns and no one thought anything of it.

Yet there were no shootings at schools.

I had a knife in my pocket all through school as did every other boy, yet there were no stabbings at school that I knew of.

So what's gone wrong. Obviously something is very different than it was when I was growing up. Back then everyone had guns, usually displayed in a glass case in the living room. And yet there weren't any school shootings.

I'm an old guy. What do young people think has changed?

[mercuryblues]

29. yes there were school shootings

google List of school shootings in US.

[Yupster]

30. I googled - only saw one in Mesa Arizona

which I don't know anything about.

There were a few college shootings like the UT Texas Tower shooting.

Weirdly they listed the Kent State Massacre as a school shooting.

So, assuming Wikipedia is correct, in the 30 years I was growing up there was a total of one school shooting (if that's what the Mesa Arizona thing was).

So what's going on today where there are multiple ones every year?

On edit, just looked up the Mesa Arizona shooting. Turns out it was at a beauty college.

So there were zero mass shootings at a K-12 school the 30 years I was in school and growing up.

What the heck is going on today.

Guns are less available that they've ever been and we have all these mass shootings.

[mercuryblues]

31. here is a list

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shootings_in_the_United_States

http://k12academics.com/school-shootings/history-school-shootings-united-states#.Woo7erpFzIU

1940s
    May 6, 1940 South Pasadena, California. After being removed as principal of South Pasadena Junior High School, Verlin Spencer shot six school officials, killing five, before attempting to commit suicide by shooting himself in the stomach.
    May 23, 1940: New York City, New York Infuriated by a grievance, Matthew Gillespie, 62-year-old janitor at the junior school of the Dwight School for Girls, shot and critically wounded Mrs. Marshall Coxe, secretary of the junior school.
    July 4, 1940: Valhalla, New York Angered by the refusal of his daughter, Melba, 15 years old, to leave a boarding school and return to his home, Joseph Moshell, 47, visited the school and shot and killed the girl.
    September 12, 1940 Uniontown, Pennsylvania, 29-year-old teacher Carolyn Dellamea is shot to death inside her third grade classroom by 35-year-old William Kuhns. Kuhns then shot himself in the chest in a failed suicide attempt. Kuhns had reportedly been courting Dellamea for over a year but the relationship was ended when Dellamea discovered that Kuhns was already married.
    October 2, 1942: New York City, New York “Erwin Goodman, 36-year-old mathematics teacher of William J. Gaynor Junior High School, was shot and killed in the school corridor by a youth...
    February 23, 1943: Port Chester, NY Harry Wyman, 13-year-old, shot himself dead at the Harvey School, a boys’ preparatory school.
    June 26, 1946: Brooklyn, New York A 15-year-old schoolboy who balked at turning over his pocket money to a gang of seven Negro youths was shot in the chest at 11:30 A.M. yesterday in the basement of the Public School 147 annex of the Brooklyn High School for Automotive Trades.
    November 24, 1946: New York City A 13-year-old student at St. Benedict’s Parochial School, shot and fatally wounded himself while sitting in an audience watching a school play.
    December 24, 1948: New York City A 14-year-old boy was wounded fatally by an accidental shot from the .22-caliber rifle of a fellow-student … the youth was shot in the head when he chanced into range where Robert Ross, 17, of Brooklyn, was shooting at a target near a lake on the school property.
    March 11, 1949: New York City A 16-year-old student at Stuyvesant High School was accidentally shot in the arm by a fellow student who was ‘showing off’ with a pistol in a classroom.
    November 13, 1949 Columbus, Ohio, Ohio State University freshman James Heer grabbed a .45 caliber handgun from the room of a Delta Tau Delta fraternity brother and shot and killed his fraternity brother Jack McKeown, 21, an Ohio State senior.
1950s
    July 22, 1950 New York City, New York A 16-year-old boy was shot in the wrist and abdomen at the Public School 141 dance… during an argument with a former classmate.
    November 27, 1951 New York City, New York David Brooks, a 15-year-old student, was fatally shot as fellow-pupils looked on in a grade school.
    April 9, 1952 New York City, New York A 15-year-old boarding-school student shot a dean rather than relinquish pin-up pictures of girls in bathing suits.
    July 14, 1952 New York City, New York Bayard Peakes walked in to the offices of the American Physical Society at Columbia University and shot and killed secretary Eileen Fahey with a .22 caliber pistol. Peakes was reportedly upset that the APS had rejected a pamphlet he had written.
    September 3, 1952 in Lawrenceville, Illinois After 25-year-old Georgine Lyon ended her engagement with Charles Petrach, Petrach shot and killed Lyon in a classroom at Lawrenceville High School where she worked as a librarian.
    November 20, 1952 New York City, New York “Rear Admiral E. E. Herrmann, 56 years old, superintendent of the Naval Post-Graduate School, was found dead in his office with a bullet in his head. A service revolver was found by his side.
    October 2, 1953 Chicago, Illinois 14-year-old Patrick Colletta was shot to death by 14-year-old Bernice Turner in a classroom of Kelly High School in Chicago. It was reported that after Turner refused to date Colletta he handed her the gun and dared her to pull the trigger, telling her that the gun was “only a toy.” A coroner’s jury later ruled that the shooting was an accident.
    October 8, 1953: New York City, New York Larry Licitra, 17-year-old student at the Machine and Metal Trades High School, was shot and slightly wounded in the right shoulder in the lobby of the school while inspecting a handmade pistol owned by one of several students.
    May 15, 1954 Chapel Hill, North Carolina, Putnam Davis Jr. was shot and killed during a fraternity house carnival at the Phi Delta Theta house at the University of North Carolina. William Joyner and Allen Long were shot and wounded during the exchange of gunfire in their fraternity bedroom. The incident took place after an all-night beer party. Mr. Long reported to the police that, while the three were drinking beer at 7 a.m., Davis pulled out a gun and started shooting with a gun he had obtained from the car of a former roommate.
    January 11, 1955 Swarthmore, Pennsylvania After some of his dorm mates urinated on his mattress Bob Bechtel, a 20-year-old student at Swarthmore College, returned to his dorm with a shotgun and used it to shoot and kill fellow student Holmes Strozier.
   

[Yupster]

32. Yeah that's the list I was looking at

As far as I can tell not a single one was a mass shooting.

Many were accidents or suicides or breakups or frat parties.

So what's going on with today's generation where people go to schools and just start shooting random people? That wasn't ever happening when I was growing up.

Some of these cases even make the point. Accidents while students are looking at each other's guns at school and it went off. Guns were much more available back then Kids carried them all the time and showed their friends. Accidents happened. Hell, some schools even had gun clubs and gun ranges at the school. Yet no one ever went to a school and started shooting random people.

What's different today?

Young people? Any opinions?

[mercuryblues]

33. Moving the goalpposts

Back in Mayberry days, pretty much every family had a gun or three. In fact kids would walk around the streets with guns and no one thought anything of it.

Yet there were no shootings at schools

You said no shootings, now you are changing it to mass shootings of random people?

People were indeed going into schools and shooting, during the halcyon days of The Andy GS. Some random and some not.

What is different today, where mass shootings occur? Let's start with the fire power kids have access to. Other countries have mental health problems, yet the do not have the mass murder problems on the same scale, You know what else they have? Universal medical care. They also have stricter gun control laws.

[Yupster]

45. I don't think we have a national crisis of a principal

stealing money and then killing himself in his office, or even someone with mental problems shooting their ex at school. As sad as those things are they have always been with us and probably always will.

What's different is people coming into a school and just randomly shooting children.

When I was young the only thing I remember that was close was the University Bell Tower shooter. That horrified people because it was so random. Even that was young adults.

The idea of coming to school and randomly shooting 14-15 year olds sees completely new.

So where does this come from? What's new?

You mention universal healthcare, which is interesting although back when I was growing up, much fewer people had health insurance than today.

I think your mental health mention is thought provoking. When I was growing up, people with mental problems were not as visible as they are today. I'm really not sure where they were, but they weren't very often in schools or even jobs. I think many more were institutionalized and the general public never thought about them. I remember the huge scandal at Willowbrook in New York that made a star of Geraldo Rivera. Honestly, I think that was the first time many people cared for the mentally disabled when they saw the shocking conditions there. I think also a lot of mentally ill people were kept controlled by their families. That was easier back then as there were more people living with intact families and many more people lived with extended families where a troubled family member could be better watched over. I remember a friend who wouldn't let people come over her house because she had a brother upstairs that she didn't want people to see.

Anyway, I think you may be on to something on the different ways of treating the mentally ill from 50 years ago till today.

[Downtown Hound]

42. Have you ever considered that maybe no one had an AR-15 back then?

[Yupster]

44. Oh hell, back then every man was a WWII veteran

After the war, many got M1's either to hunt or to have in their homes since they were comfortable with them having been trained.

They generally only had eight bullet clips, but were expected to shoot at least 40 aimed shots in a minute.

The difference is not that people didn't have semi-automatic weapons back then. Millions of Americans were trained how to handle and use semi-automatics back then.

[Downtown Hound]

46. 8 bullet clips

You openly admit that very striking difference right there but go on to discount its significance. And we're talking about high school kids, not trained combat veterans.

[Yupster]

48. I think the major differences between why boys are shooting up schools when they weren't before

is more likely to be the number of boys on psychiatric drugs than the availability of 30 bullet clips rather than eight bullet clips. I coached Little League a few years ago and was amazed at how many of the kids were on ritalin or some other drug. That can't be good.

I also think the lack of fathers in the home is also more important than the guns which have always been there.

Boys in America are really in trouble these days and our answer seems to be to medicate them. I think we're going in the wrong direction.

[Downtown Hound]

61. Any lame excuse to deflect from the guns

Uh huh. Got it.

[bluestarone]

6. he is perfect example of

DUMBER THAN DUMB

[blm]

7. When you grew up there was no availability of AR 15s for anyone who wanted one, moron.

Heck, a mentally ill person was prohibited from purchasing one till Trump rescinded that order in Feb 2017, you @sshole, coke-addict Bauer.

[moriah]

20. I still think if you've been involuntarily committed you fail a check.

But that's been the law for ages, and doesn't stop the majority of people.

However, I definitely want it to stay, for the same reasons I want waiting periods for non-CHL holders and requirements for background checks even for private party transfers. Because even if it won't stop mass shooters, the majority of which don't have a diagnosable mental disorder other than perhaps antisocial personality disorder, it does help with suicide prevention.

We were lucky a friend's check didn't immediately come back clean -- I truly believe if he'd been able to purchase the same day he wouldn't be here. He didn't discuss his suicidal intent until after his attempt to purchase and leaving the money with the pawn shop because if he didn't someone elee could buy it. When it still wasn't back the next day, it was late at night he confided his intentions, and refused voluntary admission. I think by then he'd had enough time to rethink and the survival instinct kick in to know subconsciously he'd lose the right to buy a gun again if he fought the admission.

He's since gotten treatment for his bipolar disorder, but the record of involuntary commitment remains.

I agree 1000% with your sentiments about this Republican, especially with him forgetting that they didn't have 100 round magazines for sale to the general public when he was growing up either. And I think it is a prudent life-saving policy to have psychiatrists sign off before a person receiving disability for a mental illness that can cause psychosis or suicidal ideation buys a firearm. But it will prevent more suicides than homicides. And that's probably why Trump overturned it -- he'd rather people die than receive public assistance of any type.

[RKP5637]

8. Clearly deranged. We have some really bizarre characters running around. n/t

[RandySF]

9. That closet case is a hypocrite

[CurtEastPoint]

11. I had nearly forgotten him. I wonder if he and Lindsey

...

[spanone]

10. Barney Fife would kick bauer's ass...

I went to high school in the 60's and knew NO ONE that drove to school with 'guns in the car'

sounds like bauer might have been a teenage criminal

[Archae]

22. I knew a few guys who had deer hunting rifles in their cars.

On racks of course.

This is a Wisconsin small town, BTW.

[Grammy23]

40. My daughter in law, who was born in 1974,

Mentioned to me that it was not unusual for the boys to drive to school in trucks with a gun (hunting rifle) hanging from a rack in the back window. This was in South Alabama in the 1980s.

[Stargleamer]

12. i think Andy Griffith supported Barack Obama

heck, I think one of the Stanley Brothers did too

[GWC58]

15. Andy Griffiths character,

Andy Taylor, didn’t even holster a fucking sidearm. Oh yeah, this dope is a real moron!

[Elwood P Dowd]

18. Andy Griffith did commercials supporting Obama and also the ACA.

Andy once played the role of Lonesome Rhodes, the 1950s movie version of Donald Fucking Trump. The movie was "A Face In The Crowd".

[Exotica]

49. A Face In The Crowd

GREAT MOVIE

[ProudLib72]

13. Let me see if I follow this

No Andy Griffith + no corporal punishment + no prayer = eating Tide pods and shooting

In a GOP addled mind that must make perfect sense.

[onenote]

14. He was born in 1969, years after the Supreme Court invalidated mandatory school prayer

And South Carolina has had a "minute of silence" law since 1995, but that didn't stop a South Carolinian from shooting up a church.

Oh yeah, the Andy Griffith show was cancelled in 1968. And while it was probably in syndication while this guy was growing up, it still is in syndication today.

Typical lying republican.

[MarcA]

16. It's just his way of still fighting for the Lost Cause n/t

[moriah]

17. There's not enough facepalm memes in existence for this. Nt

[struggle4progress]

19. I suppose the SC schools can try that protocol:

"If someone enters your classroom with a large magazine semiautomatic rifle, do not panic. Instead, our experts recommend that you ask the children to remain quietly in their seats as you turn on the Andy Griffith Show. Then calmly get out your paddle and regain control by spanking the intruder"

?1317355001

[GoCubsGo]

23. Andre, not Andrew, and this is not surprising.

This the same waste of oxygen who said this about kids on the free school lunch program:

""My grandmother was not a highly educated woman, but she told me as a small child to quit feeding stray animals. You know why? Because they breed. You're facilitating the problem if you give an animal or a person ample food supply. They will reproduce, especially ones that don't... think too much further than that. And so what you've got to do is you've got to curtail that type of behavior. They don't know any better."

Guess who participated in the free lunch program as a kid...

He's a corrupt sack of shit--just like everyone else in his ratfuck party.

[asiliveandbreathe]

28. You beat me to it..what a corrupt sack of shit---

I wonder is he still a CNN analyst....having appeared on the panel during the DNC convention "occupied Territory" as he called it..I don't watch CNN -

[Different Drummer]

25. So, I take it he has no love for "Father Knows Best"? n/t

[Elwood P Dowd]

26. Video proof of Andy Griffith military assault weapons....

[redstatebluegirl]

27. Lord they do want us back in 1950...

[smirkymonkey]

35. What a raging fucking idiot!

[ProfessorGAC]

36. Conflation

There was never a school prayer on the AG show. Yeah, we saw them in church, but Helen never led a school prayer. Pledge? Yep. Prayer no.

That said, what does the AG Show have to do with school paddlings? I don't recall anybody ever getting hit in school on the show, except for Ernest T Bass.

[bullwinkle428]

37. I've seen the "THEY TOOK GAWD OUTTA SCHOOL!!1!" excuse on FB as well.

[MrsCoffee]

38. My reply to my brother when he brought that up: Your God needs permission to protect children?

I am so over all the excuses.

He showed me some meme where God was replying to school kids saying he wasn’t allowed in their schools.

[Exotica]

50. WWRJD

[G_j]

39. NC state rep. calls for arming teachers: 'We have to get over this useless hysteria ..

https://www.google.com/amp/thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/374159-nc-state-rep-calls-for-teachers-to-be-armed-we-have-to-get-over%3famp


State Rep. Larry Pittman (R) told fellow lawmakers that he believed "many lives could have been saved" at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Fla., if school officials had guns.

"We have to get over this useless hysteria about guns and allow school personnel to have a chance to defend their lives and those of their students," Pittman said, according to The Charlotte News and Observer.

The newspaper also reports that in a comment on another user's Facebook post, Pittman blamed the Florida shooting on "communist Democrats."

..more..

[Initech]

41. Do these assholes not know that Andy Griffith was fictional?

As in not... Oh fuck it, who am I kidding? They elected a reality TV show host president! They're unable to separate fiction from reality!

[G_j]

43. SC GOP lawmaker claims women are inferior: a lesser cut of meat

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/progressivesecularhumanist/2015/02/gop-lawmaker-claims-women-are-inferior-a-lesser-cut-of-meat/

[maxsolomon]

47. Could angry 18 year olds buy MSSAs back in your day?

we're a culture saturated with military weapons.

[Cha]

51. The stupid burns red hot

with that one

[marlakay]

54. John Oliver showed a clip of his show

Andy talking about why he doesn’t carry a gun and that he wanted people to repect him not fear him.

And that was from the show he’s talking about, which by the way was over before ge was born! I saw it myself in the earlt 60’s.

[demosincebirth]

57. ...and cops should be like Barney Fife.

[TryingNot2Freak]

60. Never mind the research . . .

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2771618/