No, there havent been 18 school shootings in 2018. That number is flat wrong.

[kwassa]

from the Washington Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/no-there-havent-been-18-school-shooting-in-2018-that-number-is-flat-wrong/2018/02/15/65b6cf72-1264-11e8-8ea1-c1d91fcec3fe_story.html?tid=pm_local_pop

The figure originated with Everytown for Gun Safety, a nonprofit group, co-founded by Michael Bloomberg, that works to prevent gun violence and is most famous for its running tally of school shootings.

“This,” the organization tweeted at 4:22 p.m. Wednesday, “is the 18th school shooting in the U.S. in 2018.”
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Everytown has long inflated its total by including incidents of gunfire that are not really school shootings. Take, for example, what it counted as the year’s first: On the afternoon of Jan. 3, a 31-year-old man who had parked outside a Michigan elementary school called police to say he was armed and suicidal. Several hours later, he killed himself. The school, however, had been closed for seven months. There were no teachers. There were no students.

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Just five of Everytown’s 18 school shootings listed for 2018 happened during school hours and resulted in any physical injury. Three others appeared to be intentional shootings but did not hurt anyone. Two more involved guns — one carried by a school police officer and the other by a licensed peace officer who ran a college club — that were unintentionally fired and, again, led to no injuries. At least seven of Everytown’s 18 shootings took place outside normal school hours.

[Gabi Hayes]

1. Five is GOOD!

Great, in fact!

Right?

Far right

Thanks for putting it in perspective for those people that are still DEAD

[kwassa]

7. The anti-gun forces can't be inflating figures and be credible.

[brewens]

2. Whew! It's not 18 yet so we're good then. How many school shootings do there have to be before we

start to worry about it?

[Iggo]

11. How many?

I don't know.

Ballpark?

Oh, way less than a ballpark.

Whew!

[John Fante]

3. That's how low we've sank.

When school shootings that don't result in injury are seen as a positive.

[OU65802]

4. I think the point is if we inflate the numbers

They will deflate their numbers. Somehow we need the truth.

[kwassa]

5. I agree. We need to be factually correct to be effective in getting gun control.

[alarimer]

6. Arguing over semantic bullshit is all this is.

No, it is not "inflating" statistics. THAT is right-wing spin. Calling only very specific things "school shootings" is ALSO manipulating statistics. And who the fuck cares? A gunshot is a gunshot is a gunshot, whether it is an accident, an attempt at suicide or murder, or something else.

Fuck the Washington Post for posting this irrelevant bullshit.

People are fucking dead. Do you think the family of the guy who killed himself in front of the school CARES what you call or which column in your spreadsheet you put it in? No, they do not.

The GOP has BANNED the CDC from even studying the problem because they KNOW what the results will be and it won't be pretty. So all wingnuts and gun nuts have now is arguing over semantics.

This article is PURE spin, nothing more.

[uponit7771]

8. IKR !! Gumpers are keen at that !!

[kwassa]

9. Yes, it is about inflating statistics, which will kill the anti-gun argument.

Not a speck of spin in the article. Read it yourself.

[alarimer]

10. I read it; it's nonsense.

There is no "inflating statistics". That is right-wing spin. By what logic, should "school shootings" only be restricted to things that occur during the school day, for instance? Or only be restricted to intentional actions? Now, the media might conflate all those things, but I assure you statisticians do not.

In any case, I want gun shitheads to tell me how many deaths/injuries are acceptable? How much blood has to be spilled for it to be enough? How many bodies are enough? How many dead children and survivors with lifelong injuries are enough to say "Oh, well, now I guess we need to ban AR-15s now." These monsters are not motivated by statistics, whatever they are. In any case, the GOP has done a good (by good I mean effective) job at whitewashing the truth. First by denying the CDC the ability to study it and secondly, by lying about any results of any study by anyone else.

This is just more gun apologetics. And I for one am fucking sick of gun nuts, gun apologists and second amendment absolutists. They can all kiss my ass.

[kwassa]

13. there is zero spin.

By what logic, should "school shootings" only be restricted to things that occur during the school day, for instance? Or only be restricted to intentional actions?

By the logic of what constitutes a school shooting, which everyone thinks of as a school full of students. At night, no students. Accidental shootings can happen anywhere, and do, and hold no greater significance.

[OU65802]

16. A man committed suicide in the parking lot of school closed for 7 months is

Not a Symantec. It’s an outright lie to include that in school shooting statistics

[Retrotech]

12. What, they don't count because YOU don't want them to?

[panader0]

14. One of the shootings was a suicide right down the road from me.

Coronado School-1st through 8th grade. My kids all attended years ago.
An 8th grader shot himself in the bathroom.

[pnwmom]

15. As a parent, I don't want to hear about guns going off in school,

whether they are accidental shootings or on purpose; or whether they succeeded in hurting anybody or not.

[Stinky The Clown]

17. I have a slightly off point question

Can you give me the differences between a Bushmaster xm15-e2s and a Bushmaster AR15?

I'll bet you can.

Ammiright?

[Nevernose]

18. WaPo doesnt know what flat out wrong means

Here’s a summary of the entire article:

Based on Everytown’s definition, Everytown is correct. However, based on my definition, Everytown is wrong.

And it’s not like Everytown’s definition is needlessly complex or takes a social scientist to explain. Did a gun go off — or “shoot” if you will? Did it go off at a school? Then we’ll call that a school shooting.