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herding cats

(19,568 posts)
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:13 PM Feb 2018

In these indictments it says the Russians worked to get people to vote Jill Stein instead of Clinton

It’s in there now for all to see. It’s not alledged that Russia was directing US voters away from Hillary toward Stein by using propaganda, it’s now an indisputable fact.


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In these indictments it says the Russians worked to get people to vote Jill Stein instead of Clinton (Original Post) herding cats Feb 2018 OP
Jill Stein may well end up in prison malaise Feb 2018 #1
Thats fine by me. herding cats Feb 2018 #3
++++++++++++++++++++ sheshe2 Feb 2018 #4
She's a criminal. An absolute fraud. Sickening. nt R B Garr Feb 2018 #26
LOCK THEM UP!! Afromania Feb 2018 #27
The person who went to Russia and sat by VPoot at a dinner and was ... uponit7771 Feb 2018 #33
Hehehehehehehe malaise Feb 2018 #35
If only our elections were officiated like an NFL game lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #2
+1, you make a good point ... there's tighter regulations in the NFL than in US elections uponit7771 Feb 2018 #34
and remedies! lapfog_1 Feb 2018 #38
You're opening up a real Pandora's box there as Stein's name wasn't the only one mentioned besides.. brush Feb 2018 #5
+1 dalton99a Feb 2018 #8
I think the bigger story here is Cruz and Rubio... cbdo2007 Feb 2018 #14
If the facts lead to them being victims, and its clear now they do, then their supporters... herding cats Feb 2018 #23
So Bernie would have lost by an ever bigger margin to Clinton BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #40
I didnt author the indictment. herding cats Feb 2018 #10
I know you didn't author it, and I'm not surprised either. What I meant by Pandora's box is... brush Feb 2018 #15
I get what you were saying herding cats Feb 2018 #20
Kick dalton99a Feb 2018 #6
And Bernie oberliner Feb 2018 #7
That would be your over the top Bernie Bros Generic Brad Feb 2018 #22
It got really ugly around here oberliner Feb 2018 #37
Not surprised by this... Docreed2003 Feb 2018 #9
Hug your wife for me. herding cats Feb 2018 #11
That is the truth... Docreed2003 Feb 2018 #13
Yep, we all saw the vicious attacks on Hillary here, and I don't have to mention they weren't only.. brush Feb 2018 #12
It wasnt just here. herding cats Feb 2018 #16
Oh I know Docreed2003 Feb 2018 #17
You want to know a true confession? Squinch Feb 2018 #24
Thanks... Docreed2003 Feb 2018 #30
Trump needs to step the fuck down. NOW. I am so pissed. octoberlib Feb 2018 #18
Hate to say I told you so... Blue_Tires Feb 2018 #19
Who's surprised. Happy at the indictments, yes, but surprised? No. Squinch Feb 2018 #21
Technically they're still allegations zipplewrath Feb 2018 #25
we saw the messaging here in DU in the lead up to the election beachbum bob Feb 2018 #28
Which begs the question: where have all the DU trolls gone, and who is still left? nt Hekate Feb 2018 #32
Yet more PROOF from our own intelligence agencies, now in the R B Garr Feb 2018 #29
I hope this wipes that smug smile off her face Hekate Feb 2018 #31
I hope it comes out she colluded with the Russians. herding cats Feb 2018 #36
and a whole new web site created to forward that effort BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #39
Yes. There was just in the last few weeks a swarm of the same old same old JPR Squinch Feb 2018 #41

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
3. Thats fine by me.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:17 PM
Feb 2018

Every person who had a hand in this needs to be punished to the full extent of the law. If it turns out she was knowingly involved, lock her up!

uponit7771

(90,367 posts)
33. The person who went to Russia and sat by VPoot at a dinner and was ...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:16 PM
Feb 2018

... helped by the Russians has NOTHING to do with Mueller's investigation / reported by FAUX news

lapfog_1

(29,228 posts)
2. If only our elections were officiated like an NFL game
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:17 PM
Feb 2018

instant replay...

Upon further review... all of Jill Steins votes are awarded to Hillary Clinton.

Trump assessed 5 million votes and the election is replayed... "loss of down and yardage!"

lapfog_1

(29,228 posts)
38. and remedies!
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:49 PM
Feb 2018

Elections have virtually no remedies.

The one remedy that the Presidential election has (the electoral college) failed as it has lost track of its mission.

brush

(53,924 posts)
5. You're opening up a real Pandora's box there as Stein's name wasn't the only one mentioned besides..
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:18 PM
Feb 2018

trump.

cbdo2007

(9,213 posts)
14. I think the bigger story here is Cruz and Rubio...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:32 PM
Feb 2018

This shows they are the victims also so it looks like Mueller is trying to turn the Repubes against Trump. Will be interesting to start hearing from them and how they feel about this, but I doubt they'll keep sticking up for Trump now that's it's been proven the Russians were working against them too.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
23. If the facts lead to them being victims, and its clear now they do, then their supporters...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:47 PM
Feb 2018

Have every right to be outraged, as do both of them! Maybe they’ll even get on board with protecting us from further Russian meddling after this.

I’m not sure Mueller is doing anything here other than following the trail where it took him and issuing these indictments. The rest is just ugly facts that we needed to hear.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
40. So Bernie would have lost by an ever bigger margin to Clinton
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:54 PM
Feb 2018

..had it not been for the Bots? Well, most of us already figured that out, I thank Mueller for the confirmation.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
10. I didnt author the indictment.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:27 PM
Feb 2018

We all witnessed what took place up close and in person and we’re bound to talk about this now that it’s out there. Yes, Russia worked to support Bernie in an attempt to prevent Hillary from winning.

Ok, it’s out there. We’ve suspected as much from things we saw being spread across the internet so let’s not act surprised.

brush

(53,924 posts)
15. I know you didn't author it, and I'm not surprised either. What I meant by Pandora's box is...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:34 PM
Feb 2018

that Sanders' name is mentioned and there is a danger of starting the Bernie v Hillary war again here.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
20. I get what you were saying
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:41 PM
Feb 2018

I’m just hoping we can be adults about this and accept the facts as they now stand.

People were played here in the US by Russian operatives. It influenced our election and had a decided impact on our conversations. I don’t want to see us go down that rabbit hole again.

Docreed2003

(16,883 posts)
9. Not surprised by this...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:22 PM
Feb 2018

I, and many of us as well, witnessed this crap first hand. Shit, I nearly got caught up in it myself with the onslaught of constant online propaganda. Had it not been for my wife metaphorically knocking me over the head, I could have been one of those people...and I consider myself reasonably intelligent and a lifelong Democrat! We must be diligent and we must question every single meme and attack on Dems, whether from the right or sadly even from the left. We cannot allow 2016 to happen again.

brush

(53,924 posts)
12. Yep, we all saw the vicious attacks on Hillary here, and I don't have to mention they weren't only..
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:30 PM
Feb 2018

from trump.

herding cats

(19,568 posts)
16. It wasnt just here.
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:34 PM
Feb 2018

I saw this everyplace I went to talk about the election online. Every single place I went the influence of the propaganda was there for all to see. That’s how prevalent it was.

Docreed2003

(16,883 posts)
17. Oh I know
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:35 PM
Feb 2018

I’m frankly embarrassed about some of the posts I made here during the 2016 primary....I’m embarrassed that I allowed myself to get swept up in the sea of disinformation purely because I thought and hoped and wanted a leftist candidate/President. I ultimately worked, alongside my wife, to canvass for Hillary...but I could have done it sooner, I could have fought against the propaganda, and I could have been a stronger voice and that is the truly embarrassing and sad part.

Squinch

(51,053 posts)
24. You want to know a true confession?
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 02:48 PM
Feb 2018

First, let me preface it: I was really young! I was really stupid!

But...

... I voted for...

... Perot.

I, too, apologize. I too am embarrassed. We all make mistakes. Somehow I think you'll never make that one again.

We live, we learn.

Docreed2003

(16,883 posts)
30. Thanks...
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:12 PM
Feb 2018

I’d like to think I’m old enough to know better, but it is what it is. All we can do is keep up the current resistance!

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
25. Technically they're still allegations
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:04 PM
Feb 2018

It is for the jury to decide if they are facts.
And the defense may dispute them.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
28. we saw the messaging here in DU in the lead up to the election
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:07 PM
Feb 2018

no small wonder why Stein was at Putin's table..

R B Garr

(16,995 posts)
29. Yet more PROOF from our own intelligence agencies, now in the
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:08 PM
Feb 2018

from of criminal indictments about the third party FRAUD which influenced people away from Hillary Clinton.

Anyone who supported this in any way by contributing to this outcome and spreading lies about her needs to be held accountable.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
39. and a whole new web site created to forward that effort
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 03:52 PM
Feb 2018

and those same JPR members coming to DU to spread the same malcontent, fake message.

I'm positive I'm not the only one that saw this same process being geared up for the mid terms....hammering on any and all up and coming Dem bright stars.

Squinch

(51,053 posts)
41. Yes. There was just in the last few weeks a swarm of the same old same old JPR
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 04:25 PM
Feb 2018

(and now we know Russian bot) messages under some new names, and some old ones.

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