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procon

(15,805 posts)
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:31 PM Feb 2018

Senator Bill Nelson (D-Fl) was interviewed earlier about the latest school massacre,

and his robotic response was cold and unfeeling, and he showed no sympathy to the victims. The only thing he could think to sayf was to recite a list about how the shooter might have legally purchased a gun so it's OK. He implied that as long as the shooter had legally obtained his murder weapon of choice, then guns are fine. Move along, we don't need to change any gun laws. Oh, and so sorry about all those dead people.

Chuck Todd just had him on, and Nelson acted befuddled and asked why he was being interviewed again? Then he doubled down and repeated his spiel about legal guns, nothing to see here, and says he is waiting for voters to demand action before he looks at the gun issue. Is he really that clueless? He went on to bemoan the fact that he has to be concerned about his own safety these days. Boo-hoo, dude!

I'm not from Florida, but this guy is supposed to be a Democrat, but what an embarrassment!

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Senator Bill Nelson (D-Fl) was interviewed earlier about the latest school massacre, (Original Post) procon Feb 2018 OP
Repubs Stick To The Same Script SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #1
His voting record isn't that bad janterry Feb 2018 #4
Yeah, That Panhandle SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #6
Yep, he is my senator, sounds like him. dewsgirl Feb 2018 #2
He neither said nor acted like that obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #41
Thank you! I saw the entire interview, NO he didn't say what the OP claims or acted like that..... George II Feb 2018 #64
Thanks George. I have no idea why some feel empowered to distort things still_one Feb 2018 #68
If Senator Nelson is really bad (from what I am reading William769 Feb 2018 #77
Wow!!! Bill. Good to see you. Also, great point still_one Feb 2018 #80
Good to see you too my friend. William769 Feb 2018 #82
An excellent question mcar Feb 2018 #92
It seems that some want to help Rick Scott defeat Senator Nelson Gothmog Feb 2018 #124
Yep, seems that way. George II Feb 2018 #125
He's sort of a middle of the road democrat janterry Feb 2018 #3
Lots of formerly New Yorkers live in Florida. Sophia4 Feb 2018 #56
I just saw him on CNN and I totally disagree mcar Feb 2018 #5
Well, Nelson Looks Like JFK Next To Rubio SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #7
Thank you nt Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #9
Yeah, so why are people on this board slamming Nelson? mcar Feb 2018 #12
Speaking For Myself SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #18
16 children are dead mcar Feb 2018 #20
16 Dead Children Won't Have An Impact SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #24
So why slam Dems now? mcar Feb 2018 #25
I'm Not Slamming Democrats SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #28
Senator Nelson is not hurting us, Senator Rubio is mcar Feb 2018 #30
Dead Children Just The Price Of FREEDOM & 2nd Amendment SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #31
What's your plan to improve on conservative Dems. like Nelson in FL? appalachiablue Feb 2018 #87
Seriously? Maybe because if no one ever tries nothing ever changes, and procon Feb 2018 #29
He didn;t act or say what you are claiming obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #51
Attacking any and all Democrats no matter why is an agenda that Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #57
Nelson was just on Hardball, too obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #60
I will work to GOTV for Nelson mcar Feb 2018 #67
You are totally misrepresenting what Nelson said. You already said he's not your Senator, but yet.. George II Feb 2018 #71
Except Nelson didn't say or act that way obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #43
We know why. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #21
I just can't with this today, Eliot mcar Feb 2018 #22
Of course the response by some is to attack Democrats, we see that all the time. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #32
I was also wondering about this Gothmog Feb 2018 #35
Mine too, thank you nt Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #10
Exactly -- Nelson said the opposite of what the OP claimes obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #40
That is terrifying, obamanaut mcar Feb 2018 #49
"Rubio is posting bible verses on Twitter in response. How about we say bad things about him?" George II Feb 2018 #66
Any day is a good day to slam Democrats, for some mcar Feb 2018 #69
+1,000 n/t malaise Feb 2018 #75
I'm watching Sen. Nelson's interview with Chris Matthers now csziggy Feb 2018 #104
Thanks for the links mcar Feb 2018 #119
I am in Florida Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #8
+ 100 janterry Feb 2018 #13
I worked with a young African-American woman Phoenix61 Feb 2018 #14
I have friends in Tally janterry Feb 2018 #16
Exactly. George II Feb 2018 #72
Let me see if I have this right: PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #11
Going Off To School Entails An Unknown & Small Risk Of Being Murdered SoCalMusicLover Feb 2018 #19
But there should be almost zero risk of being murdered at a school. PoindexterOglethorpe Feb 2018 #44
Is this really the time to slam our Democratic Senator? mcar Feb 2018 #15
Mahalo, mcar.. I agree. Cha Feb 2018 #17
Thank you, Cha mcar Feb 2018 #23
NO, Now is Not the time to Slam, Democratic Senator, Cha Feb 2018 #27
Yeah, that's soooo NOT Democratic of you. procon Feb 2018 #26
seems like you went of half cocked in the OP and are now doubling down BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #34
I said that Nelson was more interested in defending guns than sympathizing procon Feb 2018 #48
And that is 100% incorrect. Maybe you should look up his record instead of taking shots.... George II Feb 2018 #73
Yet that IS precisely the topic I posted. procon Feb 2018 #83
None of those "other Dem politicians" were Floridians, they weren't as closely affected.... George II Feb 2018 #85
I'm pretty sure Debbie Wasserman Schultz is from Florida, procon Feb 2018 #90
Oh, pleeze... human compassion does not end at the state line. procon Feb 2018 #91
Phil Mudd broke down and cried on CNN this afternoon, they had to switch over... George II Feb 2018 #95
What connection are you trying to make with this one? procon Feb 2018 #96
Phil Mudd isn't a "reporter". Perhaps you should look into his background. Didn't take much time. George II Feb 2018 #97
That was an irrelevant dodge, are you too tired to reposte? nt procon Feb 2018 #99
Nope. But I see you've decided to resort to insulting. Very telling. Thanks! George II Feb 2018 #100
Being tired is an insult? Who knew? procon Feb 2018 #102
I saw Nelson on CNN mcar Feb 2018 #93
And? procon Feb 2018 #98
you seriously expect this board to believe an entire lifes work is reflected in your bias? BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #128
I'm trying to silence you? mcar Feb 2018 #42
I did, and it referred me back to your post to delete my thread. nt procon Feb 2018 #53
How cute mcar Feb 2018 #76
These attacks only help the GOP Gothmog Feb 2018 #36
Marco Rubio, who has an A+ rating from the NRA, mcar Feb 2018 #37
I noticed that also Gothmog Feb 2018 #65
Perhaps that's the objective? George II Feb 2018 #74
Why would a member of this board want to help that asshole Rick Scott? Gothmog Feb 2018 #117
Scott would be a nightmare senator mcar Feb 2018 #120
I live and work close to Parkland obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #47
My husband is a public school teacher here in Central FL mcar Feb 2018 #61
oh no... that really brings it home renate Feb 2018 #63
The Reason Dems Have A Hard Time Winning Me. Feb 2018 #55
Another school massacre...quick, blame Dems and ignore the NRA, Trump and the other Reps BoneyardDem Feb 2018 #33
This! mcar Feb 2018 #38
This is absolutely not true 00 why are you saying this??? obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #39
with a name like "procon" he couldn't possibly be trolling CreekDog Feb 2018 #139
Could the OP be confused maybe? dewsgirl Feb 2018 #45
No, and he just repeated that he was waiting for the public to speak up and procon Feb 2018 #58
Did you hear Rick Scott last night? Gothmog Feb 2018 #118
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #46
JUst stop -- he neother said nor acted like teh OP is claiming obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #50
Nelson is on TV right now, and Chris Matthews asked him procon Feb 2018 #70
Waiting for the voters? guillaumeb Feb 2018 #52
That isn't what Nelson really said. George II Feb 2018 #84
What did he say? guillaumeb Feb 2018 #86
You'll have to watch a video of it and HOW he said it. George II Feb 2018 #88
You have every right to criticize this person. mainstreetonce Feb 2018 #54
Except Nelson didn't do any of this obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #62
Sure, if the critic gets the facts correct mcar Feb 2018 #94
Not here zipplewrath Feb 2018 #126
You think he may have been stunned and hadn't gathered his thoughts yet? George II Feb 2018 #59
Thank you for your interpretation. procon Feb 2018 #78
I just watched a snippet of him being interviewed on TV. Scurrilous Feb 2018 #79
Anybody using this tragedy to get Republicans elected has a rotten soul. yardwork Feb 2018 #81
Every Florida tragedy turns into a public speaking contest between Nelson and Scott Awsi Dooger Feb 2018 #89
he has been a good senator & I hope he wins again, his opponent will probably be Motley13 Feb 2018 #101
OFFS, you really are going to attack the one statewide elected Democrat we have here? Tommy_Carcetti Feb 2018 #103
Mahalo, TC! Cha Feb 2018 #105
This! mcar Feb 2018 #122
Are you sure you are not just pissed... GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #106
Criticizing the man for not mentioning the victims of today's massacre procon Feb 2018 #108
I am not the cause of any war. GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #110
I guess you missed this interview William769 Feb 2018 #112
Gulfcoast66's words: "Medicare for all scheme"...I think someone slipped a little CreekDog Feb 2018 #135
Ya think? William769 Feb 2018 #136
! CreekDog Feb 2018 #138
Sen. Nelson: Let's just not talk about it, let's do something about it Gothmog Feb 2018 #133
hmm, looks like you may have figured out what this is about JI7 Feb 2018 #109
Predicted it last year. GulfCoast66 Feb 2018 #111
I know, right? sprinkleeninow Feb 2018 #115
you said "scheme" CreekDog Feb 2018 #137
Compared to our other choice for Nelson's seat this year radical noodle Feb 2018 #107
Translation: Someone didn't say EXACTLY what I wanted to hear..... brooklynite Feb 2018 #113
The correct translation is that he forgot to mention the victims. procon Feb 2018 #114
You Wouldn't Have Been Happy. . . ProfessorGAC Feb 2018 #121
Really? Gothmog Feb 2018 #132
Senator Nelson was on Morning Joe this morning Gothmog Feb 2018 #116
This is why we can't have nice things mcar Feb 2018 #123
Only votes matter not words. I dont care what he says AlexSFCA Feb 2018 #127
He has an F rating from the NRA obamanut2012 Feb 2018 #140
Why are we slamming Democrats again? murielm99 Feb 2018 #129
It seems that some want to help Rick Scott defeat Senator Nelson Gothmog Feb 2018 #131
Senator Nelson's comments on the Senate-Lets get these assault weapons off our streets Gothmog Feb 2018 #130
Great remarks! mcar Feb 2018 #134
Ive had my issues with Nelson tavernier Feb 2018 #141
thought we were not supposed to attack fellow dems...... dembotoz Feb 2018 #142
 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
1. Repubs Stick To The Same Script
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:33 PM
Feb 2018

But for Democrats like Nelson, we're supposed to just be glad that they identify as Democrats.

Take what we can get.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
4. His voting record isn't that bad
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:37 PM
Feb 2018

He was my Senator for a long time. It's true, I would have voted for someone more liberal. But Florida is a weird state. So many very conservative pockets (I mean deep south conservative). There are parts of FLorida that would vote for a real left wing liberal.

But then there is the Panhandle. Oh, and that silly little town that outlawed Satan.

Given the makeup of FL. - Nelson is sort of expected. I voted for him every time (and if I still lived there, would vote for him again).

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
6. Yeah, That Panhandle
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:44 PM
Feb 2018

It took a pedophile to get a Democrat BARELY elected in Alabama. Too bad the Democrats aren't like the repub cult, voting party above all else.

George II

(67,782 posts)
64. Thank you! I saw the entire interview, NO he didn't say what the OP claims or acted like that.....
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:30 PM
Feb 2018

....he was still in a state of shock, and his questions were rhetorical, essentially "why do I have to be interviewed again" as if we should do something about things like this instead of conducting interviews after they happen.

That OP is a terrible (and very inaccurate) spin on the interview. Of course in a "New York minute" someone had to attack him.

William769

(55,147 posts)
77. If Senator Nelson is really bad (from what I am reading
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:49 PM
Feb 2018

Why are republicans targeting his seat?

I swear, I don't understand people sometimes.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
3. He's sort of a middle of the road democrat
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:35 PM
Feb 2018

votes pretty middle of the road.

His race is VERY important - and he could lose. Every year he runs - it feels close - and if he runs against a big name (even unfeeling Scott - he gives a really terrible interview, btw)

it's going to be close.

 

Sophia4

(3,515 posts)
56. Lots of formerly New Yorkers live in Florida.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:20 PM
Feb 2018

Many of them voted Democratic for years. So there must be a strong block of real Democrats there. It's a matter of exciting them and getting them out to vote, isn't it?

mcar

(42,334 posts)
5. I just saw him on CNN and I totally disagree
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:42 PM
Feb 2018

Yes, Nelson is stiff as a speaker but he really gave it to Republicans for doing nothing when Democrats try to pass gun control legislation.

He is a good senator for FL, he's my senator and he has my full support. He's up against a tough reelection campaign if Gov Voldemort runs against him. This is not the time to criticize FL Democrats.

BTW, Rubio is posting bible verses on Twitter in response. How about we say bad things about him?

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
18. Speaking For Myself
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:06 PM
Feb 2018

The fact is that Democrats occasionally are moderate, or exhibit conservative views, while there is no such animal in the repub party. They stick with their conservative right wing base whenever it matters.

When the repubs have a 51-49 majority, it's a solid block. Right down to the so-called moderates like Susan "Dumbshit" Collins.

When the Democrats hold a 51-49 majority, it might as well be a repub majority, since there are several Democrats who will cross over when they feel like it. Repubs NEVER do such a thing.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
24. 16 Dead Children Won't Have An Impact
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:17 PM
Feb 2018

Try 60 Dead in Las Vegas. Did that matter?

Try 20+ Kids Under Age 10 Dead. Did that matter?

The Democrats won't even get an inch on this subject, not to mention they raise it for a day or two, then it goes away.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
28. I'm Not Slamming Democrats
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:24 PM
Feb 2018

I'm just pointing out that these Conservative Democrats are ending up hurting us, while there is no such thing in the repub party.

Morally that might be a good thing, but politically it's hurting us since the repubs ALWAYS stick together, while we don't.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
30. Senator Nelson is not hurting us, Senator Rubio is
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:34 PM
Feb 2018

You are slamming the Democratic senator. Children are dead.

This is just unseemly.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
31. Dead Children Just The Price Of FREEDOM & 2nd Amendment
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:35 PM
Feb 2018

Nothing will change that. It has nothing to do with Nelson specifically.

procon

(15,805 posts)
29. Seriously? Maybe because if no one ever tries nothing ever changes, and
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:33 PM
Feb 2018

stuff like this keeps happening over and again. There's a lot of apologetic excuses given for Nelson' record, but not a word addressing his apparent indifference to the victims -- 17 now! -- of today's massacre. He gets a pass and that level of callous apathy is rare coming from most Democrats.

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
60. Nelson was just on Hardball, too
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:27 PM
Feb 2018

He is being so compassionate and resolute.

He went over LEO's head during the FTL Airposrt shooting and released info (not anything to compromise anything), because he said locals had a right to know what was happening, so they could protect themselves.

SCott has a huge amount of Koch money pouring in, and may well beat Nelson this year. He is my Senator. I live in the PBC/Broward area, and he is a good guy.

George II

(67,782 posts)
71. You are totally misrepresenting what Nelson said. You already said he's not your Senator, but yet..
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:37 PM
Feb 2018

....you're familiar with his record?

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
43. Except Nelson didn't say or act that way
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:11 PM
Feb 2018

I live here, where the shooting happened, I watched it all live on TV.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
22. I just can't with this today, Eliot
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:16 PM
Feb 2018

I'm a good ways away from that part of Florida, Eliot, but my SO is a public school teacher. This is yet another awful day in the United States of NRA.

But yes, let's slam Democrats.

Eliot Rosewater

(31,112 posts)
32. Of course the response by some is to attack Democrats, we see that all the time.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:54 PM
Feb 2018

It is an agenda, conscious by some, not by others, but it is an agenda.

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
40. Exactly -- Nelson said the opposite of what the OP claimes
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:10 PM
Feb 2018

He is also my Senator, and I live and work very near Parkland, and have coworkers who had their kids at that school today.

George II

(67,782 posts)
66. "Rubio is posting bible verses on Twitter in response. How about we say bad things about him?"
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:34 PM
Feb 2018

Because Rubio isn't a Democrat.

Like you I saw the CNN interview, he looked like he was stunned and still in a state of shock. Amazing how quickly some jump on the bandwagon and criticize.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
69. Any day is a good day to slam Democrats, for some
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:37 PM
Feb 2018

I just find this so ....gaah!

Sorry, I ran out of words.

csziggy

(34,136 posts)
104. I'm watching Sen. Nelson's interview with Chris Matthers now
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:56 PM
Feb 2018

It is NOTHING like the OP characterizes it.

Here is the link: http://www.msnbc.com/hardball/watch/sen-nelson-suspect-pulled-fire-alarm-so-he-could-start-shooting-1161865795829

Sen. Nelson comes on about half to two thirds of the way through.

Here is Chuck Todd's interview with Sen. Nelson:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/sen-nelson-on-school-shooting-south-florida-is-hurting-1161768003668

Again, the interview is NOTHING like the claims in the OP.

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
8. I am in Florida
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:46 PM
Feb 2018

Do you have any idea how red it is here? Look up Mark Gaetz. Bill is actually a good senator although he is short on charisma. Strong on the environment but Florida is staunchly pro-gun. Trayvon Martin ring any bells? Or how about our wonderful, but unconstitutional, stand your ground law. Twitler and the Koch brothers are backing our current governor, Rick Scott, in his run against Bill. Bill's statement that until the citizens of the state of Florida want a change in the gun laws, he's not going to pursue it. That is actually his job, to advocate for the wishes of his constituents. Our weather might be like Cali but our politics are more like the Carolinas. I wish it were otherwise but it's not.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
13. + 100
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:50 PM
Feb 2018

I was in Tally for about 16 years. ITA.

I think a lot of the time people think of FL as Orlando. (or vacation-land).

Phoenix61

(17,006 posts)
14. I worked with a young African-American woman
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:55 PM
Feb 2018

who was married to a white man. They rented a house in Mexico Beach which is in the panhandle of Florida. Locals call it LA, Lower Alabama. Anyway, I asked her what the hell was she thinking when she mentioned the across the street neighbor with the Confederate flag in his window. She said she thought Florida was like South Beach Miami. Anyway, her and her sweet husband moved back up north.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
16. I have friends in Tally
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:00 PM
Feb 2018

he's black and she's white. He won't drive with her outside of Tally (they've lived there for about 20 years).

He just doesn't think it is safe. I agree with him........

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,861 posts)
11. Let me see if I have this right:
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:49 PM
Feb 2018

If you obtain a gun legally, it's up to you how you use it or how many people you kill. If you obtain it illegally, then shame on you.

Didn't the Las Vegas guy get all his guns legally? Come to think of it, nearly (maybe all) of the high profile murders and massacres are done with legal guns.

So why do we even bother to cover these stories? Why not rank them with auto accidents? In 2016, the most recent year I found statistics for, more than 37,000 died in car accidents. I realize that most of the time only one or two people die at a time, but that's still about a hundred a day. And we don't freak out about those deaths, do we?

Except, of course, there's a sense that auto accidents are part of the landscape, that every time you get into a car you're acknowledging the risk. We haven't yet come to think that just going off to school in the morning entails some unknown and small risk of being murdered. Maybe we should, especially if there is never going to be a rational attempt to limit guns in this country.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
19. Going Off To School Entails An Unknown & Small Risk Of Being Murdered
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:08 PM
Feb 2018

This is 100% reality. It's why EVERY SINGLE SCHOOL now has to have procedures for active shootings.

It IS no different than getting in a car. Chances are good that you'll survive, but there's still that chance despite doing everything right, you will die unexpectedly.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
15. Is this really the time to slam our Democratic Senator?
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 06:56 PM
Feb 2018

He is for gun control but because he's not a great speaker he needs to be slammed on this Democratic board?

This Floridian suggests you delete this thread.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
23. Thank you, Cha
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:17 PM
Feb 2018

Nelson is in favor of gun control, a risky stance in FL. Is now the time to slam him?

Cha

(297,275 posts)
27. NO, Now is Not the time to Slam, Democratic Senator,
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:22 PM
Feb 2018

Bill Nelson, who is in favor of Sensible Gun Laws.

Thank you, mcar!

procon

(15,805 posts)
26. Yeah, that's soooo NOT Democratic of you.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:22 PM
Feb 2018

My opinion, yeah? I'm sorry you have a Democratic like Nelson. You don't have to agree, isn't that nice? But don't try to silence me just because I disagree with you.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
34. seems like you went of half cocked in the OP and are now doubling down
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:56 PM
Feb 2018

that of course is your prerogative.

procon

(15,805 posts)
48. I said that Nelson was more interested in defending guns than sympathizing
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:15 PM
Feb 2018

with the victims. He made the same statements in two separate interviews, and you're defending him; good to know where your priorities are.

George II

(67,782 posts)
73. And that is 100% incorrect. Maybe you should look up his record instead of taking shots....
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:40 PM
Feb 2018

....at him minutes after a tragedy.

procon

(15,805 posts)
83. Yet that IS precisely the topic I posted.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:18 PM
Feb 2018

Not his previously professionally written speeches or his record, just his lackluster response to the victims in the three interviews I saw him give today. Other Dem politicians managed to express human sympathies today.

George II

(67,782 posts)
85. None of those "other Dem politicians" were Floridians, they weren't as closely affected....
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:21 PM
Feb 2018

....What do you have against Nelson? You'd prefer someone like Rubio or Rick Scott?

procon

(15,805 posts)
90. I'm pretty sure Debbie Wasserman Schultz is from Florida,
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:08 PM
Feb 2018

and she seemed to be able to express her feelings about the victims today. Lumping Nelson in with Rubio and Scott seems a bit extreme, and you probably should rephrase, but since I don't know how they responded, I really can't comment.

procon

(15,805 posts)
91. Oh, pleeze... human compassion does not end at the state line.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:38 PM
Feb 2018

That was such a weak retort, I'm giving you 10 points just for chutzpah alone.

George II

(67,782 posts)
95. Phil Mudd broke down and cried on CNN this afternoon, they had to switch over...
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:05 PM
Feb 2018

...to Wolf Blitzer. From what we've seen here, you probably think he's a spineless weakling.

procon

(15,805 posts)
96. What connection are you trying to make with this one?
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:16 PM
Feb 2018

I commented on Nelson's lamentable lack of empathy toward the victims, and you hold up a reporter who actually reacted (yes, I watched, too) with very sincere and genuine human compassion, and I'm supposed to think that's being unmanly??? Take your time, this is obviously a very convoluted prognostication.

George II

(67,782 posts)
97. Phil Mudd isn't a "reporter". Perhaps you should look into his background. Didn't take much time.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:23 PM
Feb 2018

mcar

(42,334 posts)
93. I saw Nelson on CNN
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 10:53 PM
Feb 2018

Express deep sympathy and excoriate Rs for blocking sensible gun control. I really don't know what you are alluding to.

procon

(15,805 posts)
98. And?
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:31 PM
Feb 2018

I watched him make three interviews on MSNBC that were so markedly different than any other Dem politician, he stood out for neglecting to mention the victims. That's what I commented on, and if that makes you feel defensive, it's really not my problem.

BYW, I saw what you did. Good show!

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
128. you seriously expect this board to believe an entire lifes work is reflected in your bias?
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 11:22 AM
Feb 2018

that you happen to see one or two interviews and your interpretation is the sum total of this man's work? As I'd mentioned before, you went off half cocked, doubled and tripled down and are digging in your heels. Slamming Dems is a great assistance to those with an interest in election meddling. I wish "dems" would put this type of repeated energy (look at all of your responses on this thread alone) into trying to demolish Republicans.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
42. I'm trying to silence you?
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:11 PM
Feb 2018

By suggesting you delete a thread?

I suggest you look up the definition of silence.

mcar

(42,334 posts)
37. Marco Rubio, who has an A+ rating from the NRA,
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:06 PM
Feb 2018

gets an apparent pass here but Nelson didn't do a great interview so he needs to be slammed.

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
117. Why would a member of this board want to help that asshole Rick Scott?
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:03 AM
Feb 2018

Rick Scott was an asshole last night. Why does anyone want to help Rick Scott beat Senator Nelson?

mcar

(42,334 posts)
120. Scott would be a nightmare senator
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:11 AM
Feb 2018

As he's been a nightmare gov. Anyone who is not fully supporting Sen Nelson has questionable motives, IMO.

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
47. I live and work close to Parkland
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:15 PM
Feb 2018

I have staff whose kids were in that school today, and a friend who just found out their neighbor was killed there today.

I am proud of Bill's response. People on here need to stfu/

mcar

(42,334 posts)
61. My husband is a public school teacher here in Central FL
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:28 PM
Feb 2018

We had a single student shooting (kid attempted suicide in his classroom) at his school a few years ago.

They were on lockdown for hours. He was able to text me so I knew he was OK.

He's got 2 years to retirement. I fear it will happen again.

Odd that some think it's a great idea to slam our Dem senator today but give Rubio a pass.

renate

(13,776 posts)
63. oh no... that really brings it home
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:30 PM
Feb 2018

Something like this is just too big and tragic to take in all at once, but to think that your friend's neighbor is just one of seventeen makes it more real and more awful. Or more unreal, in a way.

This is such a sad day, all over again, till the next time.

Me.

(35,454 posts)
55. The Reason Dems Have A Hard Time Winning
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:20 PM
Feb 2018

is that they just can't win...with their supposed base. Never good enough, tough enough...not ferocious enough and on and on. I wonder if it has occurred to anyone that it just may be that this man is deeply upset by what's happened and is just trying to hold it together.

 

BoneyardDem

(1,202 posts)
33. Another school massacre...quick, blame Dems and ignore the NRA, Trump and the other Reps
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 07:55 PM
Feb 2018

seems to be a pattern.

I've said it once and I'll continue to say it, purists suck.

recognizing the reality of what it takes to keep a Dem in office in certain districts, speaking with those constituents that actually live in this man's district (just look upthread)...I'll take their opinion over your opinion. Any Dem is better than a lock step, marching Republican.

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
39. This is absolutely not true 00 why are you saying this???
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:08 PM
Feb 2018

I live in this part of Florida, and Nelson's response to both this and the FTL Airport shooting was swift, compassionate, and professional. He also makes sure the info gets out to us ASAP during crisises.

I am proud he is my Senator.

And no, he is not a Republican or DINO. People need to stop that divisive garbage.

procon

(15,805 posts)
58. No, and he just repeated that he was waiting for the public to speak up and
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:25 PM
Feb 2018

demand gun control. This is a total cop out:

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- For the sixth consecutive year, a majority of Americans say they are dissatisfied with U.S. gun laws and policies. Fifty-nine percent of U.S. adults are now dissatisfied with the nation's gun laws and 39% are satisfied. Dissatisfaction has risen five percentage points from 2017 and is close to Gallup's 18-year high of 62%, recorded in 2016.

http://news.gallup.com/poll/226871/snapshot-americans-dissatisfied-gun-laws.aspx



Go help Nelson, he needs to know the public is waiting for action.

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
118. Did you hear Rick Scott last night?
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:07 AM
Feb 2018

Would Rick Scott be a better senator compared to a real Democrat like Senator Nelson?

Response to procon (Original post)

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
50. JUst stop -- he neother said nor acted like teh OP is claiming
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:16 PM
Feb 2018

I live here. I watched it all happened live.

Nelson is a good Senator.

procon

(15,805 posts)
70. Nelson is on TV right now, and Chris Matthews asked him
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:37 PM
Feb 2018

why senators won't talk about guns. He says no one has the backbone to stand up to the gun lobby. Truth, that! We can expect no action -- again --- from most of our 'good Senators', but thankfully there will always be some better Democrats who will have the backbone to push for gun control laws in the wake of these repeated mass murders.

mainstreetonce

(4,178 posts)
54. You have every right to criticize this person.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:19 PM
Feb 2018

I don't want to hear about "don't criticize D public figures"

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
62. Except Nelson didn't do any of this
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:29 PM
Feb 2018

I live here, as in the area it happened, I have watched this unfolding -- Nelson is doing a great job. He is also very pro gun control. He is a great Senator for FL.

George II

(67,782 posts)
59. You think he may have been stunned and hadn't gathered his thoughts yet?
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:27 PM
Feb 2018

I saw him, he was visibly shaken, and yet someone has to come there to read his mind and criticize him.

He NEVER said it was "OK", he was pointing out that with Congress' inaction the shooter might have legally purchased the gun, which was NOT "OK"!!!! And he was ruing the fact that nothing has been done, rhetorically saying "why am I being interviewed again", implying interviews won't solve this problem. And he didn't say what you claim he said, he was giving EXAMPLES of security problems these days, and it was a rhetorical

Of course, when there's an opportunity to bash a Democrat, someone does it. WHY do this?

procon

(15,805 posts)
78. Thank you for your interpretation.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 08:51 PM
Feb 2018

Mine is somewhat different, but you ask 'Why', meaning criticize a fellow Democrat who is so nonplussed you want him excused for being almost catatonic? Because, when other Democrats are speaking to this matter throughout the day, they are talking about the victims, the people, and even how to help people like the shooter to avoid future incidents. They were all concerned about people first, and that difference was distinctly notable.

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
81. Anybody using this tragedy to get Republicans elected has a rotten soul.
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:11 PM
Feb 2018

They ought to think about their lives.

 

Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
89. Every Florida tragedy turns into a public speaking contest between Nelson and Scott
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 09:39 PM
Feb 2018

That's the sad reality dating to Hurricane Irma and until November

Motley13

(3,867 posts)
101. he has been a good senator & I hope he wins again, his opponent will probably be
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:52 PM
Feb 2018

Rick Scott (God help us)

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
103. OFFS, you really are going to attack the one statewide elected Democrat we have here?
Wed Feb 14, 2018, 11:54 PM
Feb 2018

Now?

Really?

Now?

You're not from Florida, so do us a favor and butt out for the time being.

Sheesh.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
106. Are you sure you are not just pissed...
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 12:05 AM
Feb 2018

That he does not support someone’s Medicare for all scheme?

Cause your attack on him is pretty pathetic otherwise.

procon

(15,805 posts)
108. Criticizing the man for not mentioning the victims of today's massacre
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 12:28 AM
Feb 2018

in the interviews I watched, is not an attack, it's an opinion. Pissed, is being attacked by someone who doesn't know the difference, but thinks that's good enough to insert some self righteous, pissant casus belli.

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
110. I am not the cause of any war.
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 12:47 AM
Feb 2018

But when someone on DU attacks the only statewide elected member of the Democratic Party in my state...that is a true casus belli. And that member has an F rating from the NRA.

Especially when that member of my party faces a tough re-election campaign against a super rich Skelator.

So are there any other Democratic politicians in tough races you want to attack.

And you can bet that I will continue to be a pissant anytime you or anyone attacks an at risk Democratic politician.

You have a very nice evening.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
107. Compared to our other choice for Nelson's seat this year
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 12:16 AM
Feb 2018

he's far left. Rick Scott is running against him. Nelson is normally a reliable Dem, but he was probably trying to watch what he said because Rick Scott will pick out words, rearrange them, and play them back in a convoluted way to try to get his seat. Most Florida folks are for sure gun lovers.

brooklynite

(94,585 posts)
113. Translation: Someone didn't say EXACTLY what I wanted to hear.....
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:10 AM
Feb 2018

FWIW, I had a private meeting with Sen. Nelson last week; I know what his position on guns is; you apparently do not.

procon

(15,805 posts)
114. The correct translation is that he forgot to mention the victims.
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 01:16 AM
Feb 2018

So, yeah, I kinda do expect politicians to show a little humanity in the wake of such a tragedy, so I don't know why he talked about guns instead.

ProfessorGAC

(65,057 posts)
121. You Wouldn't Have Been Happy. . .
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:12 AM
Feb 2018

. . even if he named each victim, first and last name, plus their birthdays and favorite color.

This OP is needless pot stirring and you have yet to make a case as to why you're grossly exaggerating to complete your personal narrative.

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
116. Senator Nelson was on Morning Joe this morning
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 09:59 AM
Feb 2018

Senator Nelson did a great job this morning.

Gov, Rick Scott was an asshole last night. Scott will be Senator Nelson's opponent in November.

Why are members of this board attacking Democrats? Do these posters want to help a republican asshole win this seat?

AlexSFCA

(6,137 posts)
127. Only votes matter not words. I dont care what he says
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 10:36 AM
Feb 2018

He votes with dems, it is the ONLY thing that matter.

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
140. He has an F rating from the NRA
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 06:50 AM
Feb 2018

I live here, very close to the shooting, I have coworkers who were directly affected by death. Nelson did not do what the OP states.

Nelson is a good Senator, a good Dem, and has been very compassionate during this.

The OP is WRONG.

murielm99

(30,742 posts)
129. Why are we slamming Democrats again?
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 02:37 PM
Feb 2018

I watched his interview and did not come away from it feeling the way you do. I thought he did just fine.

We need to support our Democrats, not undermine them.

I have been here long enough to remember when Daschle was in the Senate from South Dakota. Many DUers called him a pink tutu Democrat, glossing over his strong liberal credentials. Who represents South Dakota now? Thune, who takes a lot of money from the NRA, upwards of $717,000. (I got different dollar amounts from different sources).

If you cannot support Democrats, what are you doing here?

Gothmog

(145,291 posts)
130. Senator Nelson's comments on the Senate-Lets get these assault weapons off our streets
Thu Feb 15, 2018, 03:53 PM
Feb 2018



No doubt the JPR types will find fault with these comments

tavernier

(12,389 posts)
141. Ive had my issues with Nelson
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 07:41 AM
Feb 2018

but on this you are wrong.

I AM a Floridian, an active member of the Democratic Party, and a party representative to many conventions and events. I’ve met Bill Nelson and never seen nor heard him befuddled.

He is not an embarrassment... sorry, can’t say same of your OP.

dembotoz

(16,806 posts)
142. thought we were not supposed to attack fellow dems......
Fri Feb 16, 2018, 07:57 AM
Feb 2018

he has been interviewed a lot....
some were i admit a little weak but most were quite good

i would vote for him in a minute

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