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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEliot Rosewater
(31,131 posts)a 401K and in the market and they are being hurt, bad.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)If you can not buy or sell enough stocks to move the market up or dowm, you are in a sucker's game and u are the sucker!
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)were a year ago, 2 years ago, 3 years ago . . . . . . .
None of that is due to trump, but it's a fact as long as it doesn't drop to bush recession levels.
If one is going to go through pain every time the stock market drops from a long-term, uncorrected high, probably ought to just put savings in the bank.
But, I sure can't show any investment expertise on paper or otherwise.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)gibraltar72
(7,513 posts)in Bushs recession that money doesn't just disappear. It may disappear from your account as it did mine. His pals got about 405 of mine. I had gotten whole but it's happening again.The money still exists it's now in some fat cats account and not yours or mine.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)StarryNite
(9,461 posts)AlexSFCA
(6,139 posts)if dow reaches close to 26000 again this year, I will surely tranfer everything to bonds.
Thunderbeast
(3,424 posts)a bad bet. Bonds lose principal value when interest rates rise. Why buy your old 2 percent bond when I can buy a 2.25 percent bond?
If you are not comfortable or interested in how the investment markets work, look for a blended mutual fund with a target year meeting your life goals. Buy the fund from a low-cost broker (Fidelity, Schwab, etc.) and stop worrying about short-term market movement.
brush
(53,924 posts)once it stabilizes, and only when it stabilizes.
The bottom has not been reached yet as there is still volatility but now is the time to be looking at 1 mon., 3 mon., 6 mon., 1 yr lows of favored stocks to gauge when to get in with incremental buys only in case it goes lower. You don't want to have invested it all in case there is another big drop.
Also be prepared to retreat to the sidelines in a money market fund maybe to take your profits and part your profits on a big upside, rebound move like we had after the first big drop.
Maeve
(42,297 posts)Not the stock, just the antacid. You'll need it.
torius
(1,652 posts)who are OK losing their health insurance if it will hurt the libs. My retirement is up in smoke , but part of me is thinking if it makes Trump look bad and lose support, I'll take the hit. I'M BECOMING LIKE THEM!
dumbcat
(2,120 posts)Due to a 10% correction (a normal correction) in an otherwise year long bull market?
What are you invested in?
torius
(1,652 posts)but I'm afraid to look. It's OK for me, but I'm helping my mom buy a house next week, she's elderly and it's a place with high monthly fees for meals and activities on top of purchasing it, it was already a stretch and now there's just less all around but it was more affordable in the long run than renting in a place like that. Don't get old in the U.S.
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,380 posts)But promoting individual securities on a public message board is unethical
DiverDave
(4,887 posts)If you dont care how they make their money.
And, boy howdy, do they make money.
( I'm too poor for stocks, and taking stock tips from a truck driver probably isn't wise)
Cicada
(4,533 posts)Vanguard because they have the lowest fees. No one who reads this can pick stocks which will go up vs down better than a blind folded monkey throwing darts at a list of stocks. Nor can we profit from timing except by chance. So your best play is to buy a diverse set at the lowest cost. At a certain age, or in case of other needs to avoid risks, you can switch into safer things like short or medium term bonds. Look at how that index fund has done compared to funds which pay smart people to get an edge. A few have done better, about the number chance alone would predict.
spanone
(135,900 posts)onlyadream
(2,168 posts)You have to look at it like its on sale. We did this in 2008 and my only regret was holding back and not going for more.
AJT
(5,240 posts)in the market at any given time.
Yonnie3
(17,500 posts)I own a fund with only TIPS in it, but they are not stocks.
Sneederbunk
(14,314 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)Even with this down turn, my retirement fund consists of three times more money from the market than from my contributions. Just saying.
Its on sale. Have your liquidity in order.
Awsi Dooger
(14,565 posts)Last edited Fri Feb 9, 2018, 12:03 AM - Edit history (1)
That is always a sound approach. Vanguard was touted in this thread due to low cost index funds but recently Fidelity has caught them and some are actually lower. I believe my Fidelity S&P index fund FUSVX has an expense ratio of .035%.
I like to tilt toward certain sectors at a given time based on fundamentals and forecasts but I don't necessarily recommend that to everybody. It can lead to second guessing and regret if it doesn't work. As a gambler I prefer more risk.
The slogan, "Don't try to catch a falling knife" is a good one. I have made that mistake previously, notably in early 2016 when I made two premature purchases of biotech funds when the sector was plummeting. This time I made one early purchase of a Fidelity fund I have been eyeing called FLGEX. But overall I have held enough cash and am ready to pick things off if the market drops lower.
Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I have most of my money in index funds. I have a bit in specialty funds, but still fairly broad. I stay away from individual sticks , with rare exception. I'll invest in SpaceX when it goes public. That company is doing very innovative work.
Stuart G
(38,453 posts)I think they went broke in the 70s.
PCIntern
(25,601 posts)Brother Buzz
(36,478 posts)Glassunion
(10,201 posts)Standard Items
2 - White Onions, peeled and cut in half
1 - Pound of Carrots peeled and roughly chopped
1 - Stalk of Celery cleaned and roughly chopped
Variation #1 - Cooked Chicken
1 - All of the left over bones from any chicken dinner
- Roast the above with the standard items in a preheated 350 degree oven for about 35 minutes or until the onions are brown around the edges.
- Place everything in a stock pot and cover with water.
- Add a small Bunch of Parsley
- Add a small Bunch of Thyme
- Cover the pot and simmer for at least 4 hours.
- Remove the bones, veggies, and herbs and strain the stock through a fine mesh sieve.
- Boil for at least two more hours to condense the stock to make it easier to store.
Variation #2 - Raw Chicken bits for stock from a butcher or super market (I go for backs, wings or legs)
- Roast the the standard items in a preheated 350 degree oven for about 35 minutes or until the onions are brown around the edges.
Chicken Prep...
- Trim excess fat off the chicken, but leave the skin (flavor!).
- This is my favorite bit... Whack the f**k outta them bits with a cleaver so all your bits are only about 2" pieces
- Add about 3 tbps of olive oil to your stock pot and place about half of the chicken pieces, skin side down in the bottom of the pot.
- Sear on medium to high heat , and let cook until the the chicken is browned on the skin side.
- Add the rest of the chicken pieces and stir the pot, cooking and occasionally stirring until the chicken is no longer pink.
- Place everything (don't forget the roasted veggies) in a stock pot and cover with water.
- Add a small Bunch of Parsley
- Add a small Bunch of Thyme
- Cover the pot and simmer for at least 4 hours.
- Remove the bones, veggies, and herbs and strain the stock through a fine mesh sieve.
- Boil for at least two more hours to condense the stock to make it easier to store.
These are my most common stock tips. I also have more standard beef, venison, toasted-garlic beef, scraps, roasted beef, seafood, veggie, etc... They all come in handy. You should definitely have a diverse stock portfolio, as there is never a single simple stock solution that works in all situations.
Stuart G
(38,453 posts)Binkie The Clown
(7,911 posts)everybody else is always wrong!
LuckyCharms
(17,463 posts)thewhollytoast
(318 posts)....Plastics.
Zoonart
(11,887 posts)Come on in the water's fine.
gibraltar72
(7,513 posts)I sold securities and I can say with confidence. The market is just tired of winning. So much winning. It just doesn't wart to win anymore.
roamer65
(36,747 posts)Corgigal
(9,291 posts)However, last weekend I won 27 dollars on a ten dollar bet from a horse race.
lpbk2713
(42,769 posts)flotsam
(3,268 posts)Make sure to oven roast the bones before adding them to the pot with the vegetables and bouquet garni...