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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt was NOT the worst drop in terms of percentage...take a look and get a perspective:
please get a perspective on this...please...
Today the market dropped 4.60 percent
In 87 the market dropped 22.60 percent
On October 4, 1929. the day that the market "crashed"
................market dropped 25.0 percent..
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Who argued it was the largest percentage drop-off?
Seems to me most everyone is taking it in stride, joking about... no panic. Perspective.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(25,865 posts)Of course, people here tend to freak out when the Dow loses a couple of hundred points. Clearly many here are very math challenged.
uponit7771
(90,347 posts)LexVegas
(6,073 posts)Stuart G
(38,436 posts)Stock market corrections are part of the market movement.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)instant News Cycling,which is more intense than 87',this accumulated 5+per cent drop is raising loud alarm bells. Your comparisons are valid,but,we have in place all the same Federal Monetary and Market policies that were in place at the same time and place as 1929.
And as we all have learned,I should say some have learned,the Stock Market is based on Truth,Honesty and Trust. Which btw,has been totally undermined by the GOP and Donald Trump.
Until the Feds step in and calm these markets,nothing changes to the upside. We keep losing ground and the underlying Policies wont change.
BigmanPigman
(51,613 posts)This and aren't worried yet. If it continues than we will get nervous. I hope his cult/base isn't very savvy about it though and start to panic...maybe then he will be viewed in a less than God-like way. GOOD!
uppityperson
(115,677 posts)# in the board and walked out.
This afternoon had a precipitous drop, that you have to admit.
mahatmakanejeeves
(57,516 posts)To choose numbers at random, suppose the Dow Jones Industrial Average opens one year at 700 points. During the year, it goes up 700 points. It ends the year at 1,400 points.
Suppose it starts another year at 10,000. It goes up 5,000 points. That's seven times the increase of that other year!
Except it isn't.
Going from 700 points to 1,400 points is a bigger percentage increase - which is what counts - than going from 10,000 points to 15,000 points.
In the first example, the average doubled. It increased 100 percent. In the second example, the average increased only 50 percent.
This kind of boasting is for fools.
The actual value of this "event" for people who make steady investments in an IRA or a 401(k) is exactly zero.
Yonnie3
(17,444 posts)I can tell you are on top of this, but for those who might want to see examples, here is a blog post from ages ago that treats this issue:
http://caps.fool.com/Blogs/why-arithmetic-stock-charts/290893
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Looking at any of this information on the wrong scales will improperly exaggerate signals at the top end of the axis and *hide valuable information* at the lower end of the function axis.
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Stock price movement is logarithmic / exponential. Sorry, this needs to be emphasized. ALL GAINS AND LOSSES IN THE STOCK MARKET ARE EXPONENTIAL!! NOT ARITHMETIC!!. To see why, consider this example:
Is a 200 point move equivalent to any other 200 point move? NO. If 200 point move A occurs when an index is at 4000 (5%), it is much less meaningful than if a 200 point move B occurs when an index is at 500 (40%).
This is why linear scale stock charts are almost meaningless.
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The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)Stuart G
(38,436 posts)So, let's see what tomorrow brings....
Yonnie3
(17,444 posts)They seem larger than the single day amounts I have seen.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)other sources may be different.
Yonnie3
(17,444 posts)My source was the second table at https://seekingalpha.com/article/4142967-dows-6th-largest-drop-ever which was pointing out that the Friday drop was 538th not the 6th largest drop.
Anyhow, our point is the same. We agree.
I just finished up re-balancing my stuff a week ago. Taking those profits on stock funds. I will be waiting and seeing now for at least 30 days.
brooklynite
(94,624 posts)The Vanguard Group, the mutual fund and ETF giant with about $4.5 trillion under management, warns that the U.S. stock market is long overdue for a correction of 10% or more, and gives a probability of 70% that one will occur in the near future, CNBC reports. Vanguard is a longtime proponent of long-term investing, and issues this warning with the intent of having clients prepare, rather than to frighten them into hastily dumping their equity holdings, CNBC notes. "Having a 10% negative return in the U.S. market in a calendar year has happened 40% of the time since 1960," says Joseph H. Davis, global chief economist at Vanguard, per CNBC. (For more, see also: Is a Stock Market Correction Ahead?)
The commonly-accepted definition of a correction is a decline of 10% or more in the stock market, but with no particular timeframe attached. It may be a short, sharp decline, or a long, slow one. Given that the S&P 500 Index (SPX) has risen by nearly 17% for the year-to-date through Tuesday's open, a 10% correction between then and year-end still would leave the index up by about 5% for 2017. Once a market decline reaches 20% or more, that normally denotes a bear market, especially if the retreat extends over many months, or perhaps years.
https://www.investopedia.com/news/vanguard-sees-70-chance-correction-erasing-2017-returns/
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)I am glad that is stated. It is not for sure, just likely. I have watch the market for a very long time. Anything can happen..that is all I know.
MichMary
(1,714 posts)it dropped over 11 points in one day in March, 2009. Remember who was President then? It goes up, it goes down. The only people who actually lose $$$ are those who panic and pull their money out.
Loki Liesmith
(4,602 posts)And IIRC this drop is the largest single-day destruction of capital ever.
That matters.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)That's a headline he can enjoy for the rest of his life!
"Thank you, Mr. Precedent!"
As meaningless as it may be.
Stuart G
(38,436 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)I had my first 401 K plan going in 1987 - from 1985 to 1989.
My employer matched my contribution 100%!
I never even noticed "Black Monday." Those were the days!
Johnny2X2X
(19,074 posts)Corrections sometimes have something spurring them, but are generally thought of as just a correction for prices being a little too inflated. This event has more behind it than that, a volitile Bond Market and Inflation concerns are driving this.
Well see in the coming days, but this is probably more than a classic correction.
progree
(10,909 posts)The definition of correction that I've seen is a decline between 10% and 20% from the peak
The S&P 500 peaked at 2873 on January 26, and now sits at 2649. That's a 7.8% decline.
The Dow 30 peaked at 26,617 on January 26, and now sits at 24,346. That's a 8.5% decline.
So we haven't reached 10% yet. I'm using closing prices, which I think is the standard in determining corrections and bear markets.
Bear markets are declines of 20% or more from the peak.
Historically they've always been great buying opportunities. Always.
Historical data for S&P 500:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EGSPC/history?p=%5EGSPC
Dow:
https://finance.yahoo.com/quote/%5EDJI/history?p=%5EDJI
Bengus81
(6,931 posts)Nope.........and no the markets didn't drop 25% in one day.
unblock
(52,262 posts)On October 28, 1929, it dropped 12.82%.
Not October 4.