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edhopper

(33,594 posts)
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:35 PM Feb 2018

Trump's problem is the other GOP candidates were lightweights

Cruz, Rubio, even Bush were just to ineffective to counter his bullying name calling.

Dems like Schiff, Warren, etc, can counter him and show what a small little man he is.

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NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
1. Hillary Clinton was not a lightweight
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:38 PM
Feb 2018

the problem was with both the the GOP primary field and Clinton, the media just gave Trump 24/7 coverage every time he said or tweeted something crazy, and that was several times a week. People got glassy-eyed over all the real Trump scandals, but were able to focus on the one big Clinton email scandal, even if it was fake.

Bettie

(16,111 posts)
2. No, but Clinton was bogged down
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:43 PM
Feb 2018

with previous investigations and 25+ years of propaganda against her. So, she was handicapped by that and STILL would have won if it hadn't been for a few last second "miracle" turn arounds of swing states.

The media coverage was an issue, but there are a lot of voting age people who do not recall a time when Clinton wasn't under investigation for something.

unblock

(52,265 posts)
4. The Donnie scandals werent presented as anything to bother republicans
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:48 PM
Feb 2018

The media reaction to Donnie scandals was largely to be dumbfounded at just how brazen and unusual Donnie was.

Democrats were shocked and horrified, but republicans were either not bothered or actually liked that he was novel.

Hillary’s “scandal”, meanwhile, was never protrayed as a made up witch hunt. It was always framed as dangerous to national security if not treason. A ridiculous characterization even if you believe every thing they claim Hillary did.

But agreed, they gave Donnie 80% of the coverage and of what they gave Hillary, 80% of that was anti-Hillary, often donnie’s attacks on her.

For example, somehow *her* health and *her* transparency were an issue in the campaign, but not his.

edhopper

(33,594 posts)
9. I don't think she wilted under his bullying
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 05:09 PM
Feb 2018

She beat him in the vote.

She lost due to many things, but his whining "crooked H" wasn't one of them.

She trounced him in the debates.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
3. I wouldn't call Jeb! a lightweight, exactly; he had a lot of financial backing
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:46 PM
Feb 2018

from the GOP establishment. He might have been the least odious of the bunch (aside from Trump), which isn't saying much, but he had the taint of the Bush name and he didn't really seem to want to do it. He was probably the best of a sorry bunch - Rubio is a true lightweight, and everybody hates Cruz. The main thing was that Trump was able to tap into a whole bunch of hate, and Jeb! wasn't enough of a hater for the extreme right.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,761 posts)
11. He never seemed to really want it, which is why
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 07:24 PM
Feb 2018

he didn't seem to be a very strong or compelling candidate.

unblock

(52,265 posts)
5. Donnies key to victory in the primaries was that he didnt expect to win the general
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 02:54 PM
Feb 2018

Every other candidate wanted to win the general and so couldn’t go too obviously extreme to the right. They all knew they would have to pivot to the center after they got the nomination.

Donnie didn’t care, so he could go all out and say exactly what the foxnews-indoctrinated republican party wanted.

mikeysnot

(4,757 posts)
6. Most of them were up there to pad their resumes
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 03:45 PM
Feb 2018

"Former Republican Candidate for President" it looks good on their book jackets and increases their speaking fees.

Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,071 posts)
7. That and the fact that many GOP primaries are "winner take all"
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 04:08 PM
Feb 2018

One doesn't even need a majority of votes just more votes than the other candidate(s).

FSogol

(45,493 posts)
8. Don't forget all the free media exposure and Russian troll/social media help.
Mon Feb 5, 2018, 04:11 PM
Feb 2018

Easy to make JEB look spineless when media is promoting and reinforcing your every musing.

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