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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI don't understand anti-semitism.
I just don't get it. Can anybody out there explain it to me?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,360 posts)In the end, racism and bigotry are inherently irrational.
zanana1
(6,122 posts)Nobody can answer my question.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,360 posts)Or do you really want people to sit and list the "reasons"? That seems...counterproductive.
Cirque du So-What
(25,949 posts)There is no shortage of scholarly research into this matter. To begin throwing out possible reasons haphazardly is an open invitation to rancor. Those who are truly interested will find the information they seek without soliciting responses that may be no better than mere opinions.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,360 posts)zanana1
(6,122 posts)dlk
(11,572 posts)zanana1
(6,122 posts)kydo
(2,679 posts)They kept to themselves so they became the "outsider."
Many laws on money handling happened, mostly do to the bible. Did you know "usury" is a big time sin? Anyhow, so the christians wouldn't run afoul with bible law, Jews became the bankers. Eventually that led to wealthy families. Of course most anti-Semites are not financially well off.
Then there is the religion. It's not christian. Doesn't matter that most of christianity is based on Jewish teaching, hence judo-christian. Oh Jesus was a Jew. All the original disciples were Jewish as well.
One line hitler and his nazis used at times was Jews are bad because they killed Christ. The sad thing is that many german christians bought that line. Which is stupid! Christ had to die to become the Christ. The Romans nailed him to the cross. Jesus' death was the whole point of the religion. No way he rises from the dead if he ain't dead.
Mostly its fear. Fear of others. Fear of losing money and jobs. Fear of losing privilege. And the big thing. Blame. Someone has to be blamed. And the Jews were easy to blame. So they did. Which all turns to hate.
Any anti-Semitic can tell you the all the reasons Jews are bad in their minds. But none can explain why they really hate them. To do that they would have to critique their own beliefs. And that ain't happening. Because in their minds, they are right and we are wrong. Until they come to believe something else, nothing will change with them.
edhopper
(33,593 posts)there are literally thousands of books written about this.
It started thousands of years ago.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)You know about Jesus Christ in the Christian Bible and who supposedly wanted him dead ?
That's how it all got started. Note I said supposedly. Who knows what actually happened back then.
Once Christianity became enshrined as the official religion of the Roman Empire, the antisemitism increased. The Catholic Church grew more powerful, and with that came more official and unofficial discrimination against the Jews.
It's all based on religion and being "different", from Christians specifically. In Hitler's case, he was not a Christian but just harnessed the latent antisemitism in Germany to make them the "bad guys".
edhopper
(33,593 posts)the Romans were also antisemitic. As Christianity took over the Empire, there was already a strong foundation for the Church to build on.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)edhopper
(33,593 posts)steve2470
(37,457 posts)Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)The Romans were at times intolerant of anything other than the state religion simply because different religions are often the cause of people not getting along. At other times the Romans were quite tolerant of Judaism and allowed the Jews a much higher degree of autonomy than was allowed other ethnic groups. Even before the Romans, similar actions were taken by the Egyptians and the Greeks. The bottom line was empires required assimilation of different ethnic groups to expand. It didn't usually go well for those who resisted.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)nycbos
(6,034 posts)... any other form of discrimination (racism, sexism, homopobia etc) exists.
The longer answer more specific to antisemitism is more complicated. The jews were blamed for the death of Jesus in the and that lead to the two thousand years of Jews being persecuted.
Throughout history the death of Jesus which Jews were blamed for was used to justify oppression of Jews and lead to events that include but are not limited to "blood libels" of the middle ages, the inquisition, pogroms of the late 19th and early 20th century.
Given the history of antisemitism in Europe the Nazis didn't really have to work all that hard to stir up hatred toward Jews. Given much of the propaganda they used was thousands of years old.
steve2470
(37,457 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)1.
Back when Christianity was young, the church had to prove that they are their own religion. That they are more than simply an off-shot of Judaism. (The problem was that Judaism was older than Christianity and thus more correct.) This made it necessary to "otherize" Jews in religious terms from Christians.
2.
In the Middle-Ages, it was religiously immoral to charge fellow believers interests on loans. But that didn't count for non-believers: Jews could charge Christians interest and vice versa.
(The Muslims have a system where the bank doesn't charge you interest but gets a cut from the profit you make with that loan.)
In the Middle-Ages the first banks came up. And as Jews were capabale of asking for interest, they were able to run banks with a significant profit. Christians were not. That's how the greedy Jew stereotype came to be.
3.
Slight discrimination prevented Jews from getting a foothold in certain economic sectors: They weren't allowed to join craftsmen-guilds, they weren't allowed to buy land for running a farm...
This meant that the Jews simply moved from blue-collar-jobs to white-collar-jobs. Jews started being bankers, traders, lawyers, doctors, artists simply because nobody wanted them in other jobs.
And that bolstered the stereotypes of "otherized" Jews who don't work decent jobs and make lots of money.
4.
In early 20th Century, a misinterpretation of Darwinism became popular. Darwinism was interpreted as there being superior races and inferior races. And those "others" are of course inferior to you.
Plus, with the economic crises of the 1920s, banks became the boogeyman. And who supposedly ran the banks? Jews.
In Germany, the economic crises were spun as a jewish conspiracy to use the banks to destroy Germany. (And today the Alt-Right is back with exactly the same conspiracy-theory.)
Nonhlanhla
(2,074 posts)In the last decades of Second Temple Judaism, which was dominated by the Sadducee sect in Judaism and was centered around the Temple in Jerusalem, rival groups arose within Judaism, including the Pharisees and the Jesus Movement. The latter was actually theologically related to the Pharisees (Jesus was quite probably a Pharisee), and both groups wanted to reform Judaism, albeit with slightly different emphases. With the destruction of the Temple by the Romans in 70 CE, the reign of the Sadducees came to an end, and the Pharisees, which centered Judaism around the Torah and synagogue, rose to prominence within Judaism (this being the beginning of the rabbinic Judaism we still know today). Their main rival was the young Jesus movement, which, though arising out of Judaism and indeed also out of Pharisaism, had already begun to spill over into the pagan population due to its aggressive missionary impulse, thus expanding its base significantly. The two movements operated with rival interpretations of Judaism, and as such, although originally sibling religions, carried within them the seeds of future opposition. As Christianity grew into a larger religion and lost its awareness of its originally Jewish identity, its position of power of its smaller sibling religion eventually turned into outright animosity, especially since the essential point of difference was the status of Jesus (central to the church, rejected by Judaism), and Christian anti-semitism was born. Over the centuries Christian treatment of Jews became worse and worse, complete with horrible stereotypes of Jews. This, as we know, eventually culminated in the Holocaust, which has muted anti-semitism for a few decades. But the roots of it are still there, including its roots in Christian theology. And this means that it tends to pop back up. It is essentially irrational, but it is deeply rooted in Western culture.
I recommend Daniel Boyarin's writing on Christian origins. There are also scholars who suggest that anti-semitism go back to even before Christian times in the Roman Empire, and that this influenced Christianity once it became a primarily Roman religion.
ieoeja2
(10 posts)Jews were not. When a noble found him/herself deeply in debt, he used religious bigotry to persecute Jews. Killing/expelling the Jews got rid of the bankers which got rid of the debt.
Another case of the establishment fanning divisions among the lower classes to help maintain their power and position.
On top of that Medieval European Christians were not a very industrious bunch. For centuries Europeans made almost no advancements. Nobles often recruited Jews to their lands to establish industry. Which meant Jews were making all the money. Add envy to the Medieval version of bankruptcy (aka, "kill the Jews!" ) plus generic tribalism, stir that pot for centuries, and you've ingrained anti-semitism into society.
Iggo
(47,558 posts)Wounded Bear
(58,670 posts)The First Commandment. It is against Jewish Law to worship anyone other than their God Ywh. Traditionally, when people invaded and conquered areas, the inhabitents were required to at least pay the Temple taxes and fees, and in some way aknowledge the invaders gods and religion. The Jews always refused to do that.
For the Romans, their 'divide and conquer' strategy meant they didn't really care what the locals worshipped, but no way they would allow non-payment of taxes. They were practical in that sense. Jews weren't thrilled about paying and rebelled. Romans were always ruthless when it came to challenges to their authority. That led to the siege and destruction of Jerusalem and the burning of the Temple. The surviving Jews were scattered throughout the Empire in the Diaspora.
The animus the Romans felt were transferred forward to the Christians, which were actually just another sect of the Jewish faith in the early days, before it became the official religion of the Empire and start of the Papacy.
rzemanfl
(29,565 posts)Bradshaw3
(7,522 posts)is the short answer
MichMan
(11,940 posts)I'm sure Louis Farrakhan or Jessie Jackson could tell you
Behind the Aegis
(53,962 posts)Of course, that is usually the root cause of all forms of discrimination, in one way or another. DetlefK also breaks down some very specific reasons. Jews were/are always a small minority, and therefore an easy target. People seem to forget the Jews aren't a sizeable majority anywhere, except Israel. There are approximately 200 countries in the world, only two, Israel and the US, have populations over a million Jews (6.5K and 6-7K, respectively); only a handful have more than 100K, but less than a million; France, Canada, UK, Russia, Argentina, Germany and Australia. There are also a handful of countries which have no Jews. Jews make up less than one percent of the entire world population. This makes us a very easy target because there are so few of us, and there are those who won't/refuse to defend us.
There is also a tradition in Judaism which encourages education, so Jews are often seen as well (or overly) educated, and therefore "elitist" or as some like to call us "supremacists". This also stems from a misunderstood religious issue of Jews being "G-d's Chosen People". The "chosen" part has nothing to do with "being better than", but rather with "commanded" to follow His laws. But, even today, that is still bandied about as if it is "proof" of the concept of "Jewish supremacy". This is also is sometimes the basis of racist propaganda about Jewish involvement in ethnic minority rights. The white supremacists claim because the Jews see themselves as "better" than the "white man", they agitate and empower "lesser" (i.e. anyone not white) groups to rise up and challenge the white way of life, whatever that may be. Sadly, a slightly inversed version is used by ethnic minorities to claim the Jews are using them as "puppets" and therefore are even worse than "white men". If you read racist/bigoted literature, one will often see terms like, "the white man and the Jew are responsible for..." or "When whites and Jews...". Jews are almost always held out of the term "white man", except when the person is trying to paint the Jew as a "white supremacist".
Along with education, other tenets of Jewish law are cleanliness and eating habits. People in the Dark Ages and on saw this as "odd". Why the constant need to clean or bathe? Are the Jews a naturally dirty people? Well, that was the conclusion of some. Others, again, saw it as a form of elitism. But, when diseases would break out, it always seemed, to more than a few, that Jews were not affected or less affected than the population as a whole. This gave birth to Jews causing diseases, which led to the concept of Jews poisoning the water and food, but usually water. Blood libels were also born out of misunderstandings of our eating and food preparation habits.
As DetlefK said above in points two and three, the Jews were more or less forced into certain professions because they weren't allowed to be parts of others or own land. Banking was the one which cause the most consternation among people. It bore the "Jews are stingy/cheap.", "Jews only love money.", "Capitalism is a Jewish disease.", and all of that led to "Jews are the cause of most wars in the world." because, after all, it takes money to fund wars, and who held the purse strings? Jews! Who were agitators of social change (as discussed above)? Jews! This also leads to the concept that Jews are not a real minority in the sense they are oppressed, but rather then are a minority of oppressors, therefore attacking them is simply freeing oneself from their horrible yolk.
Really the question should be is why aren't more people willing to confront anti-Semitism? Why must anti-Semitism from the right or Nazis be condemned, usually with the condition of pointing out other groups are also the target, even when the attack is anti-Semitic in nature but ignored or even used by others? Anti-Semitism is a real problem. But, IMO, until it reaches near-Holocaust levels, most people don't give two shits.
Rhiannon12866
(205,561 posts)I was certainly aware of the atrocities that happened during WWII, but as has been said, these prejudices go back centuries. Here's the series, if you're interested:
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/story-jews/video/
Behind the Aegis
(53,962 posts)I still have it on DVR!
Rhiannon12866
(205,561 posts)I wasn't aware that the videos were available online until I looked just now, think I may have missed some of it so now I can catch the whole thing.
JI7
(89,254 posts)or do you want a general discussion of it ?
zanana1
(6,122 posts)I have a better idea now, but I'll still have to explore the subject more deeply. There is a lot about religion that I don't understand.